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No deluxe versions then of:
BLACK AND BLUE
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No deluxe versions then of:
BLACK AND BLUE
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...Bring it on.
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Kevinrm15
I'm pretty sure Dave Fricke said in a recent Rolling Stone interview with Mick that there was still Tattoo You to do as well.
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stonehearted
It also looks like SF will be their last deluxe studio album re-release, since all the leftover stuff from that era went on Tattoo You. With Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Some Girls already re-released in deluxe format, they've run out of things to re-release.
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It also looks like SF will be their last deluxe studio album re-release, since all the leftover stuff from that era went on Tattoo You. With Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Some Girls already re-released in deluxe format, they've run out of things to re-release.
There's still unreleased tracks from STICKY FINGERS, GOATS HEAD SOUP, IORR, BAB, SOME GIRLS and EMOTIONAL RESCUE. It's such a broad stroke of him to say it was all put on TY when it wasn't - especially since he has been quoted stating there's tons of material left.
Seems to me that a few someones have been lazy - or are tired of the record contract that was signed.
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It also looks like SF will be their last deluxe studio album re-release, since all the leftover stuff from that era went on Tattoo You. With Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Some Girls already re-released in deluxe format, they've run out of things to re-release.
There's still unreleased tracks from STICKY FINGERS, GOATS HEAD SOUP, IORR, BAB, SOME GIRLS and EMOTIONAL RESCUE. It's such a broad stroke of him to say it was all put on TY when it wasn't - especially since he has been quoted stating there's tons of material left.
Seems to me that a few someones have been lazy - or are tired of the record contract that was signed.
From BB and LIB as well. There were no SF or Exile songs used for TY, as far as I know. Tops and WOAF were intended for GHS/recorded in 1972, weren't they?
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Mick and Keith have mentioned their interests in recording new music but Don Was doesn't seem aware of it. Don also implied that he is not involved with the coming tour.
Rock and roll,
Mops
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Mick and Keith have mentioned their interests in recording new music but Don Was doesn't seem aware of it. Don also implied that he is not involved with the coming tour.
Rock and roll,
Mops
Has he ever been involved with the touring side of things? I've always knocked Don Was for his Stones work but as Lem Motlow implies, only so much a producer can do with guys who've been doing this as long as Mick and Keith. I think the most anyone can do with them at this point is co-produce.
But somehow the production on the 70's stuff just sounds so much better. It seems the less technology and simpler the recording environment, the better the sound for the Stones. Less mics, more bleed between channels, less overall tracks..whatever it takes to bring that sound back would serve them well.
It would really be cool if they would use the old mobile truck in Calgary for a couple tracks...back to roots indeed.
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lem motlow
i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
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lem motlow
i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
Don't want to get to geeky on ya lem, but they still make it. Parts to repair the aging vintage tape machines are getting hard to find though. Most pro studios still have an analog 24 track tape machine sitting around for people who want to go that route. Finding interns who know how to operate it is a bit of a task.
What's becoming popular now are software "plug-ins" for digital platforms which mimic the old analog tape sound.
But even people who record analog usually transfer the stuff to digital for editing and very,very few people these days are truly keeping the signal analog for the recording, mixing, editing and mastering. They used to have a code on CD's which indicated the amount of analog involved in the release (AAA,AAD,ADD,DDD) but I think that has gone away since almost all stuff is done digitally these days.
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i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
Don't want to get to geeky on ya lem, but they still make it. Parts to repair the aging vintage tape machines are getting hard to find though. Most pro studios still have an analog 24 track tape machine sitting around for people who want to go that route. Finding interns who know how to operate it is a bit of a task.
What's becoming popular now are software "plug-ins" for digital platforms which mimic the old analog tape sound.
But even people who record analog usually transfer the stuff to digital for editing and very,very few people these days are truly keeping the signal analog for the recording, mixing, editing and mastering. They used to have a code on CD's which indicated the amount of analog involved in the release (AAA,AAD,ADD,DDD) but I think that has gone away since almost all stuff is done digitally these days.
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Some bands even record their digital master over to tape (and back), to get some of that organic sound.
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I believe(may be I am wrong) that Don Was has always been involved with the stones while they are touring since he has been their producer. On the "Sweet Summer Sun" DVD his name appears in the credits. When he answers the question by saying that he will see them in his hometown Detroit, it sounds like that is the only show he will go to.
Rock and roll,
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lem motlow
i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
Don't want to get to geeky on ya lem, but they still make it. Parts to repair the aging vintage tape machines are getting hard to find though. Most pro studios still have an analog 24 track tape machine sitting around for people who want to go that route. Finding interns who know how to operate it is a bit of a task.
What's becoming popular now are software "plug-ins" for digital platforms which mimic the old analog tape sound.
But even people who record analog usually transfer the stuff to digital for editing and very,very few people these days are truly keeping the signal analog for the recording, mixing, editing and mastering. They used to have a code on CD's which indicated the amount of analog involved in the release (AAA,AAD,ADD,DDD) but I think that has gone away since almost all stuff is done digitally these days.
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lem motlow
i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
Don't want to get to geeky on ya lem, but they still make it. Parts to repair the aging vintage tape machines are getting hard to find though. Most pro studios still have an analog 24 track tape machine sitting around for people who want to go that route. Finding interns who know how to operate it is a bit of a task.
What's becoming popular now are software "plug-ins" for digital platforms which mimic the old analog tape sound.
But even people who record analog usually transfer the stuff to digital for editing and very,very few people these days are truly keeping the signal analog for the recording, mixing, editing and mastering. They used to have a code on CD's which indicated the amount of analog involved in the release (AAA,AAD,ADD,DDD) but I think that has gone away since almost all stuff is done digitally these days.
peace
Drive-By Truckers, as far as I'm aware from what I've read and people I've talked to, do it all on analog - and make a different master for whatever digital format. So the vinyl LPs are absolutely analog - no digital tinkering involved. The CD LPs have whatever done to them, as well as the iTunes LP and anything else.
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
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lem motlow
i dont know alot about the exact technology as far as the actual tape they used to use but i dont think they make it anymore-someone more qualified could tell more.
Don't want to get to geeky on ya lem, but they still make it. Parts to repair the aging vintage tape machines are getting hard to find though. Most pro studios still have an analog 24 track tape machine sitting around for people who want to go that route. Finding interns who know how to operate it is a bit of a task.
What's becoming popular now are software "plug-ins" for digital platforms which mimic the old analog tape sound.
But even people who record analog usually transfer the stuff to digital for editing and very,very few people these days are truly keeping the signal analog for the recording, mixing, editing and mastering. They used to have a code on CD's which indicated the amount of analog involved in the release (AAA,AAD,ADD,DDD) but I think that has gone away since almost all stuff is done digitally these days.
peace
Drive-By Truckers, as far as I'm aware from what I've read and people I've talked to, do it all on analog - and make a different master for whatever digital format. So the vinyl LPs are absolutely analog - no digital tinkering involved. The CD LPs have whatever done to them, as well as the iTunes LP and anything else.
Yeah but it's just hard to imagine engineers cutting and splicing magnetic tape these days instead of a few mouse moves and clicks. The whole art of editing tape is becoming a lost one. Recording and overdubbing and such is easy with tape, just takes a bit longer. I'll have to listen to some Drive by Truckers...any suggestions?
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GasLightStreet
Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
Nah. They released those unfinished tunes on the EXILE extra disc.
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
Nah. They released those unfinished tunes on the EXILE extra disc.
Yes, but with finished vocals where needed. Apart from Soul Survivor with Keith's guide vocal, but still sounding very nice.
I guess that for Sticky Fingers Deluxe, Mick was just a bit lazy to write lyrics for certain stuff and record (new) vocals. Some material may just be to rudimental (read: requiring too much work) for them to bring it in any releasable form. Or simply wasn't any good to start with.
Of course, I'm speculating here. It's a pity that Don Was did not share any worthwile info.
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
Nah. They released those unfinished tunes on the EXILE extra disc.
Yes, but with finished vocals where needed. Apart from Soul Survivor with Keith's guide vocal, but still sounding very nice.
I guess that for Sticky Fingers Deluxe, Mick was just a bit lazy to write lyrics for certain stuff and record (new) vocals. Some material may just be to rudimental (read: requiring too much work) for them to bring it in any releasable form. Or simply wasn't any good to start with.
Of course, I'm speculating here. It's a pity that Don Was did not share any worthwile info.
Loving Cup was not the finished version ie the LP version. Good Time Women is a demo. Soul Survivor has Keith bellowing away - not finished. Title 5, which as far as anyone knows goes back to 1967, when they were obviously more fixated on creating EOMS than TSMR, is unfinished.
I think it's a whack mindset that they have that something has to be "finished". There are plenty of releases by other artists that feature unfinished songs. The Stones need to get with the program and put those recordings out. Artist integrity is past the point of no return.
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Yes.
That's what's so irritating about these deluxe reissues. They certainly do have plenty of leftover material. Who gives a shit about 'finishing' it? Just put it out so we can have it without all the hiss and scratch and crap of shitty bootlegs!
Plenty of leftover material? Well, we don't know if some of the stuff that's uncirculated even on bootlegs is little more than a basic idea - drums, guitar riff, guide vocals with nonsense lyrics.
Who gives a shit about finishing it? Maybe the band members, for instance? For artistic reasons? I clearly remember that my drummer once played a song sketch in public, over the sound system of a local music club. While the music sounded real good for a rough demo recorded on-the-fly in our rehearsal room, I had to sing fantasy lyrics just because I did not have any finished ones. We recorded it just for the band's use, to save the idea on tape. Days after this public airing, people came up to commenting like "your new song, it's really good, but the vocals, they sound somewhat strange". I did not like that at all. I would have kicked our drummer's butt if he was around! As an artist, I did not like "the public" listening to unfinished stuff.
Maybe the Stones, considering their status, think the same? But whatever, don't forget that it's their band, not yours, you may demand from them whatever you want from a fan's perspective, but in the end, it's their artistic decision if they want the public to listen to their unfinished stuff or even rough song sketches like "Highway Child", for example.
Nah. They released those unfinished tunes on the EXILE extra disc.
Yes, but with finished vocals where needed. Apart from Soul Survivor with Keith's guide vocal, but still sounding very nice.
I guess that for Sticky Fingers Deluxe, Mick was just a bit lazy to write lyrics for certain stuff and record (new) vocals. Some material may just be to rudimental (read: requiring too much work) for them to bring it in any releasable form. Or simply wasn't any good to start with.
Of course, I'm speculating here. It's a pity that Don Was did not share any worthwile info.
Loving Cup was not the finished version ie the LP version. Good Time Women is a demo. Soul Survivor has Keith bellowing away - not finished. Title 5, which as far as anyone knows goes back to 1967, when they were obviously more fixated on creating EOMS than TSMR, is unfinished.
I think it's a whack mindset that they have that something has to be "finished". There are plenty of releases by other artists that feature unfinished songs. The Stones need to get with the program and put those recordings out. Artist integrity is past the point of no return.