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'Surely not to their fans, with whom by all accounts they have been exceedingly warm and gracious, far more so than most rock stars...'

Surely, you jest

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Not yet, treacle, clean-up still in progress.

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I give up. I'll just say that many things about this thread are extremely ill-informed, and that begins with the object of everyone's wrath. Having reached the argument that it's close-minded to be open-minded, my brain exploded. Peace out, friends.

Well that's too bad, and by way of observation, I'd just like to say that it sounds like you're REALLY open minded now.

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Anyway, almost all your criticisms about rap music could be applied to rock music, deal with it! Just noise, unsophisticated, repetitive , consumerist and so one. No guitars? (Captain Kirk Douglas, anyone?). Big deal! The instrument I like the most is the cello but I don't cry each time there's no cello on a rock record. Or "No one plays viola da gamba anymore, how sad!" See Hubert Le Blanc wrote a treatise against the increasing popularity of cello and violin, in defense of the viola da gamba.

Didn't Sinatra used to refer rock and roll as music made by 'cretins'? or somehing to that effect.
Same difference, and I challenge anyone to tell me that was different. Oh, it was different because you like rock and roll.
But rap, on the other hand. Well, it just sucks because it sucks
There has always been a certain hard-headed arrogance within the rock fan culture toward 'otherness'. I grew with it, around it, and hated it. This is why I used to hide my Chic albums in the closet when musician friends would come over (this was the early 80s, when the backlash against it was still at its meatheaded zenith). I didn't want to have to explain it because they were never going to try and understand it.
People have a right to not like a style of music, or think it's trash, but when they act like their upholding some righteous stand for Good Music, its absurd and yes, narrow-minded.
It's like when Stones fans defend Stones fans booing Prince for being...Prince. I've seen so many excuses for that and they're all just that: excuses for intolerance.
Amazing, especially considering the fact that the Stones, more than any other popular band, personify musical diversity and inclusiveness.
That's why it surprises me to see it here.

Check KW's intolerance in the video U2Stonesfan posted. I'm sure there are some other examples of that available on the web.

When people behave like that I don't wanna listen to their music: to me music is an experience in which the person(s) (their personality) who made it play such a significant role I can't neglect that.
That doesn't make me narrow minded or against diversity. Geez ever thought of the possibility that maybe the people who just go for his music and don't care what kind of guy he is are the narrow minded ones??
I mean are you the professor here? Do you and jrcjohnny run a truth factory?
You guys are so happy with how inclusive you say you are...the both of you breath an unhealthy form of moral superiority.

So you only listen to artists who don't do things you disapprove of?
That's a pretty narrow frame of reference.

You just wanna exclude and prove your moral superiority. You ask me a question and you answer it yourself: how many other frames do you need?
It's not about what I approve or don't approve: I approve anything and I don't approve everything.
It makes you happy using the word narrow again, suggesting my 'frame of reference is narrow'. We really are getting somewhere with you guys...

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Anyway, almost all your criticisms about rap music could be applied to rock music, deal with it! Just noise, unsophisticated, repetitive , consumerist and so one. No guitars? (Captain Kirk Douglas, anyone?). Big deal! The instrument I like the most is the cello but I don't cry each time there's no cello on a rock record. Or "No one plays viola da gamba anymore, how sad!" See Hubert Le Blanc wrote a treatise against the increasing popularity of cello and violin, in defense of the viola da gamba.

Didn't Sinatra used to refer rock and roll as music made by 'cretins'? or somehing to that effect.
Same difference, and I challenge anyone to tell me that was different. Oh, it was different because you like rock and roll.
But rap, on the other hand. Well, it just sucks because it sucks.
There has always been a certain hard-headed arrogance within the rock fan culture toward 'otherness'. I grew with it, around it, and hated it. This is why I used to hide my Chic albums in the closet when musician friends would come over (this was the early 80s, when the backlash against it was still at its meatheaded zenith). I
didn't want to have to explain it because they were never going to try and understand it.
People have a right to not like a style of music, or think it's trash, but when they act like their upholding some righteous stand for Good Music, its absurd and yes, narrow-minded.
It's like when Stones fans defend Stones fans booing Prince for being...Prince. I've seen so many excuses for that and they're all just that: excuses for intolerance.
Amazing, especially considering the fact that the Stones, more than any other popular band, personify musical diversity and inclusiveness.
That's why it surprises me to see it here.

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I give up. I'll just say that many things about this thread are extremely ill-informed, and that begins with the object of everyone's wrath. Having reached the argument that it's close-minded to be open-minded, my brain exploded. Peace out, friends.