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DandelionPowdermanSounds like a very short tourQuote
treaclefingers
Troubadour Tour 2015!
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with sssoul
Are Indian musicians really called troubadours on any wide scale, though?
Okay, one more kick at it:
In 1950, 1,000 Gyuto monks known for their overtone singing or chordal chanting (monastery founded in the 15th c.)
were attacked (and most were killed) by an invading Chinese army. Of the 1,000 monks,
sixty managed to escape to India to restart the monastery.
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camper88
I'm at peace with the idea that musicians become troubadours when they travel ...
musicians traveling from Tibet/ China to India ...
I can buy the idea that they're essentially troubadours in their act of travelling.
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chillrob
Pretty sure it was not the straight R'N'R Circus version; although thanks for getting me to listen to it again, I don't think I had heard it since soon after the CD came out 15 years ago or whenever. Who was playing piano on this version? Brian Jones? I saw him miming piano on the David Frost show version.
Some of the vocalizations sounded similar to the end of the RNRC version, but the backing track sounded more similar to the original, and it was much longer. I guess it is possible that someone at the radio did a mashup mix of several sources, but that seems unlikely as well.
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LieB
Chillrob, your experience remind me of when I was in an Amsterdam coffee shop in 2003, getting stoned with a few friends and they played a weird version of Sympathy right there in the coffee shop. As I remember it, it sounded like the one you describe -- close to the original but different. In my stoned head it had a guitar riff similar to the Ya-Ya's version, pretty much like the Beggars Banquet version with Keith's Ya-Ya's riff tucked on. And it sounded fantastic, is my recollection. I should of course have asked the DJ, but never did. And I've never found it since, and I question its existence at all.
This was shortly after that weird Neptunes/Fatboy Slim remix was released, and it was getting lots of airplay, so I thought it could be some kind of b-side or whatever from that one, but I have no clue at the moment.
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DandelionPowderman
From Hyde Park 1969, perhaps?
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stones40
With sssoul the troubadour line could mean many things but this is the most likely -
Mick was not referring to the Beatles whose songs and
actions contributed to the great hippie trail searching for enlightenment
on the Indian subcontinent.
The "Troubadours" were in fact the hippies who followed the 'Beatles' to India in search of transendendal enlightenment or inner peace but never actually reached the end point of their journey.
The "Troubadours who got killed before they reached Bombay" refers to the hippies who traveled the "Hippie Trail" by road.(1967 onwards)
Many on them were killed and ripped off by drug peddlers in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Those shady deals were probably the "traps".
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René
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
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Sympathy For The Devil
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)
Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, June 4 - 10, 1968 and
Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, California, US, July 5 - 25, 1968
Mick Jagger - lead vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, backing vocals
Charlie Watts - drums, backing vocals
Bill Wyman - maracas, backing vocals
Brian Jones - backing vocals
Nicky Hopkins - piano
Rocky Dijon - congas
Jimmy Miller - percussion
Michael Cooper, Anita Pallenberg & Marianne Faithfull - backing vocals
Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year, stolen many man's soul and faith
I was ‘round when Jesus Christ had His moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed His fate
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game
Stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Tzar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank, held a general's rank, when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, oh yeah
What's puzzling you is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee while your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades for the Gods they made
I shouted out: Who killed the Kennedys, when after all it was you and me
Let me please introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you is just the nature of my game, yeah
Just as every cop is a criminal and all the sinners, Saints
As heads is tails, just call me Lucifer, 'cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me, have some courtesy, have some sympathy and some taste
Use all your well learned politesse, or I'll lay your soul to waste, yeah
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game, mean it, get down
Tell me baby, what’s my name?
Tell me honey, can you guess my name?
Tell me baby, what’s my name…
Produced by Jimmy Miller
First released on: The Rolling Stones - “Beggars Banquet” LP
(Decca SKL 4955) UK, December 6, 1968
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with sssoul
Stones40, like I posted in the other thread just yesterday: I'm not buying that. Here's my reply again: [www.iorr.org]
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Naturalust
I'm not entirely convinced that Mick isn't alluding to some much earlier atrocity, possibly 13th, 14th or 15th century.
peace
Thanks Naturalust. Honestly, I'm not entirely convinced myself.
I just don't have any evidence for 13th-15th century atrocities with troubadours near Bombay. That's the challenge for any reading, I suppose--supporting it.
On to Baudelaire and Bulgakov, then.
Cheers