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It's reasonably fresh compared to what you're trying to sell as a five star dinner which is in fact a cold portion of 40 year old noodles...
if there was a way to "win" this thread, this comment would've done it!
Why? If it's supposed to be directed at me, it completely misses my point. The people proferring a stale meal are the Stones themselves, by putting on the same stadium nostalgia show, and the fans who keep consuming the same bland meal, albeit with fewer "noodles".
The "five star dinner" I would like to sell would be completely different. But by all means, continue with the tried, true, and familiar if that satisfies you.
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It would have been "yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo" with Taylor as well
But better guitar, and perhaps we would have some different songs to go with the yaeah, yeah, yeah, wooh.
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It's reasonably fresh compared to what you're trying to sell as a five star dinner which is in fact a cold portion of 40 year old noodles...
if there was a way to "win" this thread, this comment would've done it!
Why? If it's supposed to be directed at me, it completely misses my point. The people proferring a stale meal are the Stones themselves, by putting on the same stadium nostalgia show, and the fans who keep consuming the same bland meal, albeit with fewer "noodles".
The "five star dinner" I would like to sell would be completely different. But by all means, continue with the tried, true, and familiar if that satisfies you.
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It's reasonably fresh compared to what you're trying to sell as a five star dinner which is in fact a cold portion of 40 year old noodles...
if there was a way to "win" this thread, this comment would've done it!
Why? If it's supposed to be directed at me, it completely misses my point. The people proferring a stale meal are the Stones themselves, by putting on the same stadium nostalgia show, and the fans who keep consuming the same bland meal, albeit with fewer "noodles".
The "five star dinner" I would like to sell would be completely different. But by all means, continue with the tried, true, and familiar if that satisfies you.
Sorry 71Tele, didn't mean it like that. I wanted to refer to this thread more generally as "battling a lost cause" and found the expression funny.
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It's reasonably fresh compared to what you're trying to sell as a five star dinner which is in fact a cold portion of 40 year old noodles...
if there was a way to "win" this thread, this comment would've done it!
Why? If it's supposed to be directed at me, it completely misses my point. The people proferring a stale meal are the Stones themselves, by putting on the same stadium nostalgia show, and the fans who keep consuming the same bland meal, albeit with fewer "noodles".
The "five star dinner" I would like to sell would be completely different. But by all means, continue with the tried, true, and familiar if that satisfies you.
Sorry 71Tele, didn't mean it like that. I wanted to refer to this thread more generally as "battling a lost cause" and found the expression funny.
That's ok. It was a good line. I must give credit where it is due.
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Only in your opinion, as I never cared much for Taylor's take on BS.
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Only in your opinion, as I never cared much for Taylor's take on BS.
But didn't Taylor contribute to the Muscle Shoals recording of BS? I thought Jimmy Johnson recalled he was playing a strat. Or was he mixed out of the final master? Anyway if he was playing on the basically live track as the cut it, Taylors take is part of the whole thing, imo.
But I kind of know what you mean, on a few of the live versions his lead work was kinda "outside the song" although his fills are good and I suspect he even wrote those original parts. Stuff Ronnie is still playing in the modern era.
But in any case that song swings in such an iconic way...I still love the original version and I do believe Keith's killer rhythm tracks are the primary reason.
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I gave up on all that years ago,Tele.
We can only have some fun with what they are able and willing to give - or turn away.
It could be much more interesting and thats why I cooled down a lot over the years.
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And, then, you have stuff like this... "...gives the band a little more expansion on stage"..
video: [www.youtube.com]
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It would have been "yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo" with Taylor as well
But better guitar, and perhaps we would have some different songs to go with the yaeah, yeah, yeah, wooh.
Only in your opinion, as I never cared much for Taylor's take on BS.
Different songs with Taylor would indeed be more interesting, as they could explore the arrangement with him. But BS would have sounded like Satisfaction, and I'm afraid some other songs would have sounded like Silver Train. I guess we'll never know...
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Naturalust
Silver Train....nice to see them taking risks, with extra guitarist. I think the singer was the problem with Silver Train and the guitarists were not quite sure where he was going 1/2 the time but listening hard for cues which weren't consistent. Not Mick's best vocal treatment all around.
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Silver Train....nice to see them taking risks, with extra guitarist. I think the singer was the problem with Silver Train and the guitarists were not quite sure where he was going 1/2 the time but listening hard for cues which weren't consistent. Not Mick's best vocal treatment all around.
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The same with Sway, terrible singing by Mick. When the song begins to build up, MJ just interrupts it.
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It would have been "yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo" with Taylor as well
But better guitar, and perhaps we would have some different songs to go with the yaeah, yeah, yeah, wooh.
Only in your opinion, as I never cared much for Taylor's take on BS.
Different songs with Taylor would indeed be more interesting, as they could explore the arrangement with him. But BS would have sounded like Satisfaction, and I'm afraid some other songs would have sounded like Silver Train. I guess we'll never know...
I certainly cared for his playing on live versions of BS. They're blistering. Silver Train was a wreck because they gave both Taylor and Wood a solo on a song that does not require it. Why bother to rehearse it with Taylor and screw up the arrangement?
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BS Essen '70 is amazing imo. Taylor almost sounds like an electric violin, the lead
plus solo is full of tension and feeling. Together with Richards' rhythm guitar this is one of the best rock duets for guitar Ive ever heard:
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A: Why is that any different? Why please a few people who want to hear obscure songs when the throngs will only talk through them or use them for a piss break?
There are far more people who would like to hear more rare songs than there are people who is concerned about Taylor not participating on this tour. I've met quite a few casual fans, who has not really heard the rare songs, but still says they don't feel any need to see the Stones again, since they always play the same old songs. Even casual fans like to challenged.Quote
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TheBlockbuster: the idea that the only people who care about Mick Taylor are ageing baby boomers is nonsense. It's part and parcel of this silly myth that no one from the younger generation appreciates classic rock because they're all too busy listening to Justin Bieber or something. I'm 25 and Mick Taylor is the reason I play guitar. I have lots of friends that also play guitar and dig Taylor just as much. Several of the 'Taylorites' (whatever that term even means now) posting on this board are young as well. A lot of the anti-Taylor posters here would do well to give the Stones' audiences more credit. Young or old, we all have ears, and we all know what Taylor bought to the Stones these past few years when they actually let him on stage. I think the Stones management might be surprised at just how many people would make like Naturalust and take a Taylor solo gig over one of theirs at this point.
I think you and your friends are in a minority. Younger people in general who listen to the Stones tends to appreciate Ronnie Wood a lot more than the Taylor fans on this board do. Of course there are younger fan who likes Taylors playing alot, just like I do, but not very many of them takes it to the extreme when they won't see the next concert since MT is not with the band. But that's just my observation of course.
I also think the majority of the audience at a stones concert sees the bigger picture: The Stones is in their 70's now and won't walk the earth much longer, they have been an excellent band for 40 years without depending on Mick Taylor, and these 40 years is really what they should be celebrating at this point.
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BS Essen '70 is amazing imo. Taylor almost sounds like an electric violin, the lead
plus solo is full of tension and feeling. Together with Richards' rhythm guitar this is one of the best rock duets for guitar Ive ever heard:
I have always liked that version as well. Although there is a lot of noodling, it's much more fitting than his slide approach on BS, imo.
A note: Both Ronnie and Taylor have this urge to play within a major G during the chorus, whilst Keith played minor. Even Bobby started to play the lick in major round 1981. Some of the danger disappears by doing that, imo.
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They rehearsed it with Taylor AND screwed up the arrangement, yes.
The lameness had nothing to do with the solos, imo. The first version only had a Taylor solo and was even worse, imo.
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BS Essen '70 is amazing imo. Taylor almost sounds like an electric violin, the lead
plus solo is full of tension and feeling. Together with Richards' rhythm guitar this is one of the best rock duets for guitar Ive ever heard:
I have always liked that version as well. Although there is a lot of noodling, it's much more fitting than his slide approach on BS, imo.
A note: Both Ronnie and Taylor have this urge to play within a major G during the chorus, whilst Keith played minor. Even Bobby started to play the lick in major round 1981. Some of the danger disappears by doing that, imo.
As far as I hear it Keith starts that lick on the tone C on the studio version, which creates more tension indeed, it emphasises the Gsus 4 chord. On the other hand that's the reason why that tone "drowns" a bit, imo. Could be the reason why Taylor starts on the tone G.
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They rehearsed it with Taylor AND screwed up the arrangement, yes.
The lameness had nothing to do with the solos, imo. The first version only had a Taylor solo and was even worse, imo.
Here is Mick Taylor's version of Silver Train. He does know how to play it and very well in fact. Don't know what happened with the Stones version last year but here it is...
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It just sounds... tough and cool
Absolutely, the third when Keith plays that C (intro) he hits that bull right between the eyes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-04-13 14:57 by LuxuryStones.