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OzHeavyThrobber
I think his delivery on the rhythm guit on "Sway" is outstanding.
The best I ever saw of him as a guitarist however was some footage of him back stage at the Garden in '69 with Tina and Ike. He's twanging about on a G tuned Strat from memory? Anyway it was very impressive.
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Naturalust
Moonlight Mile and Sway for sure! Seems he plays better when Keith isn't around. peace
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Stop Breaking Down?
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Doxa
"Sway", "Winter", and especially "Stop Breaking Down" are among the best recorded guitar stuff the Stones, or anyone, ever has come up with. But the best? This! Incredible stuff - it is for St. Peter's sake more powerfull stuff than some so called 'real' guitarists. a'la Ron Wood, is ever contributed to the Rolling Stones.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeezee...One of my favorite Punk-bands...
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Doxa
Silly? I tell you what is silly in my book. Silliness is the hypocracy of some Rolling Stones fans to rate anything associated with teh Rolling Stones in terms of technical ability. Every damn musician in this world - expect some diehard Rolling stones fan boy guitar nerds - knows that all of them (expect one guitar player a long time ago) are rather mediocre players, and their greatness has nothing to do with it. And the Stones themselves would be the first to admit that. Their forte is the idiosyncrary, the feel, the innovation, the ability go to the essential - none of them anything to do with technical excellence. The fact that many people like their signature style, or something like that, does not make them any technical virtuoses or even great players (in any technical sense of the word). So what Jagger is doing there is in microcosmos what the 'real' Rolling Stones guitarists do in the macrocosmos. What makes him sound great is the similar thing what makes Keith sound great. You don't need much technical ability to do that.
The stuff Jagger does there moves me. Probably more than, for example, Ron Wood has ever done. And that's all what it takes. To use a term like "naive' to describe that is silly. If we the the criterion is taken a bit higher - to the level in where actual technical ability matters (and it is not a big jump) - anything the Stones do is "naive". And terribly misses the point.
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"Time Waits For No One", "Heartbreaker", "Moonlight Mile", "Can You Hear Me Knocking... and many more.
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tomekdp
"Time Waits For No One", "Heartbreaker", "Moonlight Mile", "Can You Hear Me Knocking... and many more.
Er, he only plays on Moonlight Mile.
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Doxa
Silly? I tell you what is silly in my book. Silliness is the hypocracy of some Rolling Stones fans to rate anything associated with teh Rolling Stones in terms of technical ability. Every damn musician in this world - expect some diehard Rolling stones fan boy guitar nerds - knows that all of them (expect one guitar player a long time ago) are rather mediocre players, and their greatness has nothing to do with it. And the Stones themselves would be the first to admit that. Their forte is the idiosyncrary, the feel, the innovation, the ability go to the essential - none of them anything to do with technical excellence. The fact that many people like their signature style, or something like that, does not make them any technical virtuoses or even great players (in any technical sense of the word). So what Jagger is doing there is in microcosmos what the 'real' Rolling Stones guitarists do in the macrocosmos. What makes him sound great is the similar thing what makes Keith sound great. You don't need much technical ability to do that.
The stuff Jagger does there moves me. Probably more than, for example, Ron Wood has ever done. And that's all what it takes. To use a term like "naive' to describe that is silly. If we the the criterion is taken a bit higher - to the level in where actual technical ability matters (and it is not a big jump) - anything the Stones do is "naive". And terribly misses the point.
- Doxa
Hey man, chill down. I agree with everything you say here, except for the stuff about Ronnie. What he did when the 1976 tour was over was exactly what you're saying you enjoy. He tossed the flash on the campfire, and focused on the pure energy and more naive approach that made the Stones what they are instead. IMO, that was partly the key to their comeback.
Like I said, I love Highway Child, but let's get real - it is an unfinished outtake, where Mick tries to sound like Keith. But I agree, along the way in this track he is instead finding himself as a guitar player - and I can enjoy that very much myself - to an extent.
But to state firmly that the guitar playing on HC is more moving than anything Ronnie has done with the Stones sounds silly to me, although I respect your opinion.
The gentleness of Beast Of Burden, the break-neck energy of Whip from Detroit 78 - captured on Sucking In The 70s, the funkiness of Dance/Everything's Turning To Gold/Crackin' Up or the crazy slide playing on Hey Negrita don't qualify for you? All of these examples are proof of the very same anti-technical excellence you're referring to.
"Naive" is not a bad word here, just to make that clear
But, hey, let's agree to disagree on this.
I chose Fingerprint File as my Mick-favourite, mainly because it's the first electric track where he takes the step and totally moves away from the standard rock/blues-rhythm (on the beat), and get's funky.
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Doxa
Silly? I tell you what is silly in my book. Silliness is the hypocracy of some Rolling Stones fans to rate anything associated with teh Rolling Stones in terms of technical ability. Every damn musician in this world - expect some diehard Rolling stones fan boy guitar nerds - knows that all of them (expect one guitar player a long time ago) are rather mediocre players, and their greatness has nothing to do with it. And the Stones themselves would be the first to admit that. Their forte is the idiosyncrary, the feel, the innovation, the ability go to the essential - none of them anything to do with technical excellence. The fact that many people like their signature style, or something like that, does not make them any technical virtuoses or even great players (in any technical sense of the word). So what Jagger is doing there is in microcosmos what the 'real' Rolling Stones guitarists do in the macrocosmos. What makes him sound great is the similar thing what makes Keith sound great. You don't need much technical ability to do that.
The stuff Jagger does there moves me. Probably more than, for example, Ron Wood has ever done. And that's all what it takes. To use a term like "naive' to describe that is silly. If we the the criterion is taken a bit higher - to the level in where actual technical ability matters (and it is not a big jump) - anything the Stones do is "naive". And terribly misses the point.
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Doxa
But I need to say that I haven't ever rated mr. Wood very high as a guitar player. Or to say it in other words: he has never really sounded very strong guitar player having his own determination and call - there is something missing in his touch or sound that would capture my attention. Some kind of lack of personality (playing charmingly sloppy is not enough). This is strikingly true when contrasted to his guitar partner in the Stones. Keith, with his minimal technical ability, has so strong presence, an ability to capture the moment - he determines the space and time - actually he makes the time and space to go according his intuition. But Ronnie, even though being technically one level better, sounds so insecure with his doings. Like he is a bit lost all the time, and not content what to do next. This is my over-all impression.
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Naturalust
Moonlight Mile and Sway for sure! Seems he plays better when Keith isn't around. peace
I agree. Sometimes he out-Keiths Keith!