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LongBeachArena72
Have always wondered about something:
Is this an unusual amount of "A" grade songs for an essential member of the band NOT to have played on?
Ruby Tuesday - Bill on bass
Let's Spend the Night Together
Sympathy for the Devil - Bill on maracas and back up vocals
Street Fighting Man
Live With Me
Happy
Rip This Joint
All Down the Line - Bill on the second bass
Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Silver Train
If You Can't Rock Me
It's Only Rock'n'Roll
Crazy Mama
Some Girls - Bill on synthesiser
Shattered
Emotional Rescue - Bill on synthesiser
Hang Fire
Pretty Beat Up - Bill on electric piano
Tie You Up
Maybe no big deal, to have missed that many over a LONG career. And perhaps Richards and Watts have missed some, too ... but surely not even close to as many as Bill.
Not a knock on Bill; love him; just was struck by this.[/quote
Everyone and his dog is on It's Only Rock N Roll Does he not play synth on Emotional Rescue?
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vertigojoe
Woah.
I have to say the under appreciation of Wyman for me is perhaps the biggest own goal in the entire career of the RS.
He should have been cherished, loved whatever but all he ever got was the piss taken. On an epic scale. Pure British class snobbery of the time from the middle class Jagger and Jones, and to a lesser extent, Richards.
So he left in 93 and what we have had since then is "Plastic dry f$%k" or whatever Gram's comment on The Eagles was..
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
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bleedingman
I've always been curious as to how Bill would have handled Jumpin' Jack Flash (which he claims to have come up with the main riff for). I personally like the way Keith plays against the main riff, hanging on the root. Bill probably would have played the riff though, as he does live for the most part.
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
I only get:
YCAGWYW
Tumbling Dice
Shine a Light
Happy
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Which is not even close to the no-Wyman list. What am I missing? What else did Charlie not play on?
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
I only get:
YCAGWYW
Tumbling Dice
Shine a Light
Happy
IORR
Which is not even close to the no-Wyman list. What am I missing? What else did Charlie not play on?
Jimmy only played on the last part of TD.
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
Ronnie played drums on "Sleep Tonight", according to Wiki.
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
Ronnie played drums on "Sleep Tonight", according to Wiki.
Yep, that's Ronnie. Steve Jordan and Anton Fig are also playing on a few songs on DW. Not sure if Fig played drums, though.
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Bill was great for the Stones, but using a different bass track doesn't mean that he was under-appreaciated in any way. When you're focusing on making the best album possible, you'll make decisions you think will serve the album best. Only VERY FEW times were his tracks wiped. Some times he wasn't there.
Exactly...and here are the number of times Jagger's lead vocal wasn't 'required':
Connection
In Another Land
Salt of the Earth (intro)
You Got The Silver
Happy
Coming Down Again
Memory Motel (~1/4 of the song)
Before They Make Me Run
All About You
Little T & A
Wanna Hold You
Sleep Tonight
Can't Be Seen
The Worst
Thru and Thru
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop
Losing My Touch
This Place Is Empty
Infamy
Soul Survivor
We Had It All
I'm sure I missed a couple...anyone?
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OF COURSE, the best part of Gimme Shelter!
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LongBeachArena72
Have always wondered about something:
Is this an unusual amount of "A" grade songs for an essential member of the band NOT to have played on?
Ruby Tuesday
Let's Spend the Night Together
Sympathy for the Devil
Street Fighting Man
Live With Me
Happy
Rip This Joint
All Down the Line
Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Silver Train
If You Can't Rock Me
It's Only Rock'n'Roll
Crazy Mama
Some Girls
Shattered
Emotional Rescue
Hang Fire
Pretty Beat Up
Tie You Up
Maybe no big deal, to have missed that many over a LONG career. And perhaps Richards and Watts have missed some, too ... but surely not even close to as many as Bill.
Not a knock on Bill; love him; just was struck by this.
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Naturalust
...I imagine since he knew he'd never get writing credits on any of them, that it took some of the incentive to contribute his talents to the studio recordings. peace
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emotionalbarbecue
Oh my God....here we go again....
So-called fans being unaware of the basics...brushing aside, ignoring Bill.
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DoomandGloom
Keith is the first to admit that the concerts not the records are the definitive versions of Stones songs.
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
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Bill was great for the Stones, but using a different bass track doesn't mean that he was under-appreaciated in any way. When you're focusing on making the best album possible, you'll make decisions you think will serve the album best. Only VERY FEW times were his tracks wiped. Some times he wasn't there.
Exactly...and here are the number of times Jagger's lead vocal wasn't 'required':
Connection
In Another Land
Salt of the Earth (intro)
You Got The Silver
Happy
Coming Down Again
Memory Motel (~1/4 of the song)
Before They Make Me Run
All About You
Little T & A
Wanna Hold You
Sleep Tonight
Can't Be Seen
The Worst
Thru and Thru
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop
Losing My Touch
This Place Is Empty
Infamy
Soul Survivor
We Had It All
I'm sure I missed a couple...anyone?
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OF COURSE, the best part of Gimme Shelter!
Looks like you missed Slipping Away, You Don't Have To Mean It, and if you want to go for completion, the live versions of "Learning The Game" and "Nearness Of You".
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Pietro
You could make a similar list of songs Charlie Watts didn't play on. Jimmy Miller was an excellent drummer. He played on some of the best songs on "Exile." Hell, he played the cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women."
He played on TWO songs on EXILE and the very ending of a third. That's it. So those three are the best? Oh wait, you said "some" of the best.
Playing cowbell is not playing the drums, it's playing cowbell - something a cow can do.
The quote goes some thing like 'we never get the songs right till we work them on stage and it's a shame most of the time the records come before the tours'...Quote
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Keith is the first to admit that the concerts not the records are the definitive versions of Stones songs.
Never heard Keith say that. Heard him say a band is not a band without playing them live, etc., and that he enjoys and thrives off the band playing live but never anything about the live versions are the definitive versions of the tunes. And considering how close to the recorded versions the live arrangements, solos and rhythm work is I'd say quite the opposite. Love to hear the Keith quotes you are referring to.
For pure listening pleasure I've always thought the well worked and produced studio versions were best although there are exceptions, especially when MT was with the band. I not saying the Stones haven't completely burned on live tunes, to devastating effect, just that the records tend to be close to perfection song and sound wise. Live shows have so much else going on, the song sometimes tend to get diluted by the show, where as in the studio, it's all about the song.
peace
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Bill was great for the Stones, but using a different bass track doesn't mean that he was under-appreaciated in any way. When you're focusing on making the best album possible, you'll make decisions you think will serve the album best. Only VERY FEW times were his tracks wiped. Some times he wasn't there.
Exactly...and here are the number of times Jagger's lead vocal wasn't 'required':
Connection
In Another Land
Salt of the Earth (intro)
You Got The Silver
Happy
Coming Down Again
Memory Motel (~1/4 of the song)
Before They Make Me Run
All About You
Little T & A
Wanna Hold You
Sleep Tonight
Can't Be Seen
The Worst
Thru and Thru
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop
Losing My Touch
This Place Is Empty
Infamy
Soul Survivor
We Had It All
I'm sure I missed a couple...anyone?
EDIT
OF COURSE, the best part of Gimme Shelter!
Looks like you missed Slipping Away, You Don't Have To Mean It, and if you want to go for completion, the live versions of "Learning The Game" and "Nearness Of You".
And the fact that Mick sings the lead vocals on Connection.