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Silver Dagger
Here's a couple of other great songs called Stupid Girl.
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The first overtly misogynistic Stones' song in a long line that stretches from the mid-60s all the way to the last album. I always found that misogyny really odd - how the Stones could denigrate women so much in their lyrics and yet retain such a strong and loyal female base. Different times I guess as I couldn't see one of today's pop bands slagging off girls and getting away with it like the Stones did.
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Doxa
Naturalust's contribution echoes pretty much my feelings towards the track. There is that emphasizied 'anti-Beatles' feel in the song, basically just the lyrics making the difference into otherwise harmless pop song. Somehow the music and lyrics just don't quite match, or, I think it is better to say, the intended tension or coctail between those two just don't come out quite right, unlike in, say, masterful "Under My Thumb".
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Silver Dagger
The first overtly misogynistic Stones' song in a long line that stretches from the mid-60s all the way to the last album. I always found that misogyny really odd - how the Stones could denigrate women so much in their lyrics and yet retain such a strong and loyal female base. Different times I guess as I couldn't see one of today's pop bands slagging off girls and getting away with it like the Stones did.
I recall reading Finnish feminist magazine - first of that kind of sort, heavy stuff back then (this was back in the 80's, and I was rather young) - in which there was a critical article discussing rock lyrics, that are, how can we put it nicely, rather 'male oriented' by nature. Anyway, what I find amusing in the article that the Stones got a free pass - songs like "Under My Thumb" and "Stupid Girl" were mentioned - because their 'misogony' was just so explicit that it turned against itself; it could not be taken literally. So the actual effect was more like a liberating one; it put into words - and loud - such things that worked for a feminist cause. Much more terrible from a feminist criticism was the implicit 'chauvenism' of typical or ordinary rock lyricism.
Jagger can get away with anything, you know... or he can charm anyone...
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TooTough
The best part is the bridge:
Well, I'm sick and tired and I really have my doubts
I've tried and tried, but it never really works out
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Doxa
Naturalust's contribution echoes pretty much my feelings towards the track. There is that emphasizied 'anti-Beatles' feel in the song, basically just the lyrics making the difference into otherwise harmless pop song. Somehow the music and lyrics just don't quite match, or, I think it is better to say, the intended tension or coctail between those two just don't come out quite right, unlike in, say, masterful "Under My Thumb".
- Doxa
Completely anti-Beatles feel Doxa. The Beatles were more supportive of womankind and praising ladies to the max as on She's A Woman and Girl. It was very rare for them to let rip into women although when they did as on You Can't Do That or Another Girl they also delivered a mean punch. But there's no way The Beatles would ever have written a song as observationally mysoginistic
as Under My Thumb.
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Doxa
Naturalust's contribution echoes pretty much my feelings towards the track. There is that emphasizied 'anti-Beatles' feel in the song, basically just the lyrics making the difference into otherwise harmless pop song. Somehow the music and lyrics just don't quite match, or, I think it is better to say, the intended tension or coctail between those two just don't come out quite right, unlike in, say, masterful "Under My Thumb".
- Doxa
Completely anti-Beatles feel Doxa. The Beatles were more supportive of womankind and praising ladies to the max as on She's A Woman and Girl. It was very rare for them to let rip into women although when they did as on You Can't Do That or Another Girl they also delivered a mean punch. But there's no way The Beatles would ever have written a song as observationally mysoginistic
as Under My Thumb.
There are a few other examples, although apart from the song 'Run For Your Life' from the Rubber Soul album they are mild compared to the blatant 'Stupid Girl.' For the most part, the Beatles did specialize in the love song (or those that revealed complicated relationships, like 'Norwegian Wood').
Interesting you cite 'Girl' as the lyrics in that song could be interpreted by some as being anti-feminist (the song lyrics are complex, is what I'm trying to say).
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But then again there are other times ya hear the tune rattle thru ya head ...Haaaaa