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Winning Ugly VXII
The 19 song set list is a huge factor as well. It doesn't leave much room to maneuver.
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Doxa
Anyway, more I look those 1989/90 set lists, clearer it is that the modern war horses concept, and which songs belong to it, was then created. If earlier (1975-82), there was about five to seven old classics they played every night, it wasn't a lot in percentage of the numbers (when they played about 20plus songs a night). The really 'must' numbers were more like four: "Honky Tonk Women", "Tumbling Dice", "Brown Sugar" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash" they played every night in every tour. By 1982, those four numbers were the only real 'war horses', even though the concept 'war horses' didn't really apply yet, since it was a question of so few numbers (they were more like 'signature songs'). This left a lot of variation which other 'old' songs to play, and that varieted a lot from tour to tour.
After 1989 the amount of 'must' songs has been radically higher. Jagger speaks of ten, which might be right even statistically. So Jagger's ten most likely are to be selected from the following ones:
"Start Me Up"
"Tumbling Dice"
"It's Only Rock'n'Roll"
"Honky Tonk Women"
"Midnight Rambler"
"Miss You"
"Jumpin' Jack Flash"
"Sympathy For The Devil"
"Gimme Shelter"
"Brown Sugar"
"Satisfaction"
"You Can't Always Get What You Want"
"Street Fighting Man"
There more probably is not many, if any, major Stones gig - leave random club dates, etc. out - after 1989 that wouldn't include at least ten of the songs listed above. This is also to say, me thinks, that Stones show has been essentially a greatest hits oriented show ever since (even if still about half of the material was something else, many of them were familiar songs, like "Angie", "Wild Horses", "Ruby Tuesday", etc.). If we also take into consideration that the amount of relatively new songs (from their recent albums) is something from three to five per gig, nowadays one to two, it is also basically a nostalgia-oriented show as well, if you like. Only two post-STEEL WHEELS songs - "You Got Me Rocking" and "Out of Control" - seem to have lasted beyond their 'heyday', and are still in rotation. Well, some Keith numbers as well, but do those count?
- Doxa
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StonesCat
Rambler is always kind of the odd duck amongst the others, it is famous live with more hardcore fans, but the casual one probably wouldn't notice if it wasn't played. Listen to every show where a bunch of fans start clapping, thinking it's over at the slowdown, five or six minutes in. It's a song that insists on being included just because of how well it comes off, not based on any popularity chartwise.
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StonesCat
Rambler is always kind of the odd duck amongst the others, it is famous live with more hardcore fans, but the casual one probably wouldn't notice if it wasn't played. Listen to every show where a bunch of fans start clapping, thinking it's over at the slowdown, five or six minutes in. It's a song that insists on being included just because of how well it comes off, not based on any popularity chartwise.
Yeah. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this current tour (with Taylor) the first tour that "Midnight Rambler" is a regular number in setlist (well, since 1989/90, or even 1976)? They have played many, many times during the years, but it wasn't any obvious number, but more like a pleasent surprise (especially for hardcore fans) everytime it was played. Some of that 'status' has now gone, and it just another warhorse...
If memory serves, it was my Stones concert number eight or nine, starting in 1995, when I finally catched this legendary number... I had almost lost my hope..
- Doxa
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Winning Ugly VXII
Rambler was played rarely in 1995,if I recall correctly.
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thecitadel
Just did a little bit of counting...
There are always 12 "Platinum Classics" (7 from the 60's, 4 from the 70's and 1 from the 80's) - you know them: I won't repeat the names
Then 2 "Newer Hits" ( OOC and D&G) - one from the 90's and one from the 00's
The Keith has played 4 numbers so far in his 2 song set - and we know he rehearsed at least one more.
And the remaining 3 songs are picked, so far, from 9 - ie all different every night. I'm sure that won't last but it shows the band are really trying to mix it up.
So in total 27 songs over 3 gigs: only 9 in each but still a 2 hour or so show.
I wish I was there for these gigs with this variety - it's as much, if not more, variety than any tour from any period except for the stadium/arena/theatre/club changes. And the show is over 2 hours long.
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Winning Ugly VXII
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