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Rockman
What about the 14 minute Sparks madness on Voodoo Brew ....
Keef & Ronnie sound more like Derek and Clive on thee turps ....
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Doxa
Hmm.. one not so memorable VOODOO LOUNGE track... But I guess every Stones track is a worth of a novel, so here we go...
There is some peculiar problem I have with most of 'modern' Stones tunes; usually from the first listening they sound so 'good', very easy to recognize that is my favourite band out there, all those tasty familiar features, guitars, drums, vocals, and the tunes themselves are 'nothing but the Stones', so familiar, cozy, compared to anything else in the market. But still, after a few listenings, I find myself oddily bored, and don't feel at all giving them another go. Like there is nothing so capturing that make me hooked, like it is with their (past) great works. Everything is revealed by a few listenings, and there is nothing to discover any longer, or something so magical which forces one to listen again and again. I think "Sparks Will Fly" is a typical case in that sense. Basically 'all' is there, and right, but still it doesn't leave me a bigger impact. VOODOO LOUNGE altogether is the first album I made this observation, very soon after it was released.
I think great Stones works fall into two categories: those who get one hooked immediately by the very first listening and the thrill never escapes (thinking of "Satisfaction", "Honky Tonk Women", "Gimme Shelter", "Start Me Up", etc. etc.). Then there are those which take some time to 'grow on', but one 'gets there', one is hooked for good. EXILE is, of course, a famous case of the latter, but I think most of their not so supposedly great seventies and early 80's stuff seems to fall into that category as well (especially so called deep cuts, which make albums like GOATS HEAD SOUP, BLACK AND BLUE or EMOTIONAL RESCUE still so fascinating listenings.) For some reason, I don't find that feature in the modern albums, and, I have now 'given' twenty years for an album like VOODOO LOUNGE to 'grow on me', but it has not happened. I don't think any other 20 years would change the matter.
But, to not leave too negative tone, I always find it refreshing to hear a song like "Sparks Will Fly" when I haven't heard it for a while. It's the Stones, nothing but themselves, with their original sound. "By numbers", as the saying goes, but always pleases a Stones lover's, like mine's, ear. There is nothing wrong there that I could analysize into pieces there, but nothing very exciting, in the long run, either. But in the end, it is the latter, the very exciting things, which makes this band above of any other band in my book.
- Doxa
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Doxa
Hmm.. one not so memorable VOODOO LOUNGE track... But I guess every Stones track is a worth of a novel, so here we go...
There is some peculiar problem I have with most of 'modern' Stones tunes; usually from the first listening they sound so 'good', very easy to recognize that is my favourite band out there, all those tasty familiar features, guitars, drums, vocals, and the tunes themselves are 'nothing but the Stones', so familiar, cozy, compared to anything else in the market.
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
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Chris Fountain
Hey this is a great song! There's a little bit of pyromania with the Fire Cheif! Sharks will Cry!!
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DandelionPowderman
But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
Well, there is a deep feeling inside me which always is hungry for "Rip This Joint", "All Down The Line", "Hand of Fate" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash", who knows how capturing those tunes are, and which needs to be satisfied once in a while.. And even knowing how great those tunes are, they somehow manage to amaze me again and again. With "Sparks Will Fly" I don't have that, but the song surprises me positively, if not listened too often. Clearly in a different category in my book...
- Doxa
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Chris Fountain
Hey this is a great song! There's a little bit of pyromania with the Fire Cheif! Sharks will Cry!!
Tie your hands, tie your feet..throw you to the sharks!
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DandelionPowderman
But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
Well, there is a deep feeling inside me which always is hungry for "Rip This Joint", "All Down The Line", "Hand of Fate" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash", who knows how capturing those tunes are, and which needs to be satisfied once in a while.. And even knowing how great those tunes are, they somehow manage to amaze me again and again. With "Sparks Will Fly" I don't have that, but the song surprises me positively, if not listened too often. Clearly in a different category in my book...
- Doxa
I agree about the difference. Then again, by re-creating the past you will always be bound to lose. I think that's the main problem, not that Sparks Will Fly is marginally poorer than some other rocker.
That's why I like other tracks on VL, like The Worst, Moon Is Up, Thru And Thru and the blues pastiche Brand New Car better. They don't have that many similar Stones songs to "compete" with.
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But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
Well, there is a deep feeling inside me which always is hungry for "Rip This Joint", "All Down The Line", "Hand of Fate" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash", who knows how capturing those tunes are, and which needs to be satisfied once in a while.. And even knowing how great those tunes are, they somehow manage to amaze me again and again. With "Sparks Will Fly" I don't have that, but the song surprises me positively, if not listened too often. Clearly in a different category in my book...
- Doxa
I agree about the difference. Then again, by re-creating the past you will always be bound to lose. I think that's the main problem, not that Sparks Will Fly is marginally poorer than some other rocker.
That's why I like other tracks on VL, like The Worst, Moon Is Up, Thru And Thru and the blues pastiche Brand New Car better. They don't have that many similar Stones songs to "compete" with.
Thru & Thru is the most un-Stones sounding tracks the band have ever recorded. Right up there with Heaven and Continetal Shift. And that Voodoo Brew version is really out there where the buses don't go. Gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it. Stones film noire.
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Hey this is a great song! There's a little bit of pyromania with the Fire Cheif! Sharks will Cry!!
Tie your hands, tie your feet..throw you to the sharks!
Voodoo Lounge Tour was the bomb!!
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DandelionPowderman
<Stones film noir>
That's a great description, Mike! It took me a long time to get under the skin of TAT, but it really is something else indeed.
Although different-sounding, I would add Moon Is Up to the list of very untypical Stones numbers as well. Yeah, they're trying hard to sound different, but they succeed, imo.
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Doxa
Hmm.. one not so memorable VOODOO LOUNGE track... But I guess every Stones track is a worth of a novel, so here we go...
There is some peculiar problem I have with most of 'modern' Stones tunes; usually from the first listening they sound so 'good', very easy to recognize that is my favourite band out there, all those tasty familiar features, guitars, drums, vocals, and the tunes themselves are 'nothing but the Stones', so familiar, cozy, compared to anything else in the market. But still, after a few listenings, I find myself oddily bored, and don't feel at all giving them another go. Like there is nothing so capturing that make me hooked, like it is with their (past) great works. Everything is revealed by a few listenings, and there is nothing to discover any longer, or something so magical which forces one to listen again and again. I think "Sparks Will Fly" is a typical case in that sense. Basically 'all' is there, and right, but still it doesn't leave me a bigger impact. VOODOO LOUNGE altogether is the first album I made this observation, very soon after it was released.
I think great Stones works fall into two categories: those who get one hooked immediately by the very first listening and the thrill never escapes (thinking of "Satisfaction", "Honky Tonk Women", "Gimme Shelter", "Start Me Up", etc. etc.). Then there are those which take some time to 'grow on', but one 'gets there', one is hooked for good. EXILE is, of course, a famous case of the latter, but I think most of their not so supposedly great seventies and early 80's stuff seems to fall into that category as well (especially so called deep cuts, which make albums like GOATS HEAD SOUP, BLACK AND BLUE or EMOTIONAL RESCUE still so fascinating listenings.) For some reason, I don't find that feature in the modern albums, and, I have now 'given' twenty years for an album like VOODOO LOUNGE to 'grow on me', but it has not happened. I don't think any other 20 years would change the matter.
But, to not leave too negative tone, I always find it refreshing to hear a song like "Sparks Will Fly" when I haven't heard it for a while. It's the Stones, nothing but themselves, with their original sound. "By numbers", as the saying goes, but always pleases a Stones lover's, like mine's, ear. There is nothing wrong there that I could analysize into pieces there, but nothing very exciting, in the long run, either. But in the end, it is the latter, the very exciting things, which makes this band above of any other band in my book.
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
Well, there is a deep feeling inside me which always is hungry for "Rip This Joint", "All Down The Line", "Hand of Fate" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash", who knows how capturing those tunes are, and which needs to be satisfied once in a while.. And even knowing how great those tunes are, they somehow manage to amaze me again and again. With "Sparks Will Fly" I don't have that, but the song surprises me positively, if not listened too often. Clearly in a different category in my book...
- Doxa
I agree about the difference. Then again, by re-creating the past you will always be bound to lose. I think that's the main problem, not that Sparks Will Fly is marginally poorer than some other rocker.
That's why I like other tracks on VL, like The Worst, Moon Is Up, Thru And Thru and the blues pastiche Brand New Car better. They don't have that many similar Stones songs to "compete" with.
Thru & Thru is one of the most un-Stones sounding tracks the band have ever recorded. Right up there with Heaven and Continetal Shift. And that Voodoo Brew version is really out there where the buses don't go. Gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it. Stones film noire.
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DandelionPowderman
But don't we all get that feeling with Rip This Joint and All Down The Line as well - and finding ourselves moving over to Hand Of Fate - then back to JJF. And after that RTJ and ADTL sound brand new and fresh again?
Well, there is a deep feeling inside me which always is hungry for "Rip This Joint", "All Down The Line", "Hand of Fate" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash", who knows how capturing those tunes are, and which needs to be satisfied once in a while.. And even knowing how great those tunes are, they somehow manage to amaze me again and again. With "Sparks Will Fly" I don't have that, but the song surprises me positively, if not listened too often. Clearly in a different category in my book...
- Doxa
I agree about the difference. Then again, by re-creating the past you will always be bound to lose. I think that's the main problem, not that Sparks Will Fly is marginally poorer than some other rocker.
That's why I like other tracks on VL, like The Worst, Moon Is Up, Thru And Thru and the blues pastiche Brand New Car better. They don't have that many similar Stones songs to "compete" with.
Thru & Thru is one of the most un-Stones sounding tracks the band have ever recorded. Right up there with Heaven and Continetal Shift. And that Voodoo Brew version is really out there where the buses don't go. Gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it. Stones film noire.
Yeah, I think you guys are a spot on. One cannot be very 'authentic' by repeating the same thing again and again. Even though the new version of the old idea can be, technically or theoretically speaking, as good as the 'original', something is missing. Somehow one can hear that. I think it needs to be something to do with the whole passion, attitude and freshness when one is doing something novel. The Stones I think are true artists in that sense - they need that touch of authenticity - the right feel and passion - to really shine. When they 'fake' that, or doing something 'autopilot', by the power of their pure ability to master some things since they know how to do it - to sound like the Stones - the effect is not so convincing or capturing when they really play from their soul, by the presence of a real muse. I think we have to remember that what now is easily recognizable Stones sound was once true novelty, made simply out of inspiration. EXILE, anyone...
I agree that "Thru and Thru" and "Moon Is Up" are about the most interesting things in VOODOO LOUNGE, since in those songs they are doing something different, outside of their comfort zone. "Thru and Thru" is the song that has most grown on me from the album, it really has that 'wow, there is something really exciting going on that I didn't recognize first' effect, the depthness like the great Stones works possess. Unfortunately I can not say that of "Moon Is Up", but gimme some time...
- Doxa