Dirty work?
Goats head soup?
Satanic majesties?
Tattoo you?

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Goats Head Soup

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The comeback album. Millions of trees were chopped down in the buildup to it, writing about Mick and Keith getting back together and writing new songs. Then came the recordings. Mixed Emotions was blared out over the FM radios. I liked it at the time. Today it's just filler

I don't recall any if them being overrated ...
I think they have been discussed and rated so much that a consensus has been established.
'Undercover' manages to be both the most underrated and overrated at the same time.

Some Girls.
Sorry. Many people seem to think it's on the same level as The Big Four.
Personally I rate Tattoo You much more higher.

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Some Girls.
Sorry. Many people seem to think it's on the same level as The Big Four.
Personally I rate Tattoo You much more higher.

I agree with this statement.Productionwise SG is a masterpiece, but if one looks at the songwriting it is certainly not the band's strongest effort. Shattered and other songs live from the production only. Even if many here will disagree, I believe that some 89 onwards Songs are much better than some SG Songs.

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Some Girls.
Sorry. Many people seem to think it's on the same level as The Big Four.
Personally I rate Tattoo You much more higher.

I agree with this statement.Productionwise SG is a masterpiece, but if one looks at the songwriting it is certainly not the band's strongest effort. Shattered and other songs live from the production only. Even if many here will disagree, I believe that some 89 onwards Songs are much better than some SG Songs.

Miss You, Beast Of Burden, Far Away Eyes, Before They Make Me Run.

All brilliant songs, and not because of production - just pure quality-stuff, imo.

Slow down here! most overrated Stones album?

Answer: .

2 1 2 0

Exile. An incredible album, but its never my number 1 despite the fact that many others consider it theirs. Whether you like it or not, its got a few songs that are filler whereas their other 40 minute albums are concise masterpieces.

Sorry. Someone had to say it.

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Exile. An incredible album, but its never my number 1 despite the fact that many others consider it theirs. Whether you like it or not, its got a few songs that are filler whereas their other 40 minute albums are concise masterpieces.

Sorry. Someone had to say it.

its just that the filler ones on Exile are so good...
'Ventilator Blues"?
'Soul Survivor" ?
"Casino Boogie' ?
'Just Wanna See His Face' ?
'Turd On The Run'?
'Sweet Black Angel'?

them's some great filler there...

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Goats Head Soup

giddy up

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Exile. An incredible album, but its never my number 1 despite the fact that many others consider it theirs. Whether you like it or not, its got a few songs that are filler whereas their other 40 minute albums are concise masterpieces.

Sorry. Someone had to say it.

its just that the filler ones on Exile are so good...
'Ventilator Blues"?
'Soul Survivor" ?
"Casino Boogie' ?
'Just Wanna See His Face' ?
'Turd On The Run'?
'Sweet Black Angel'?

them's some great filler there...

Everyone has different filler. I personally wouldn't consider Ventilator and Soul Survivor filler. But yeah, Casino, Just Wanna See His Face, Turd, Sweet Black Angel, possibly Shake Your Hips. Those are really the ONLY songs I'd consider "filler", even though the album isn't the same without them. Just saying that because of those songs, I rank it less high than an album like Let It Bleed or Sticky Fingers, which IMO are unequivocal masterpieces with not a note of filler. I'm always very surprised to see Exile rated as many people's favorite Stones album, and have always found it to be slightly overrated, just for the sake of this argument.

If they're not highly rated, they're underrated.

"Stop Breaking Down" could be another one..

at the moment I cant think of another track where it sounds like they're having so much fun playing it..

>>Let It Bleed or Sticky Fingers, which IMO are unequivocal masterpieces with not a note of filler<<

amen, no filler all killer!

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"Stop Breaking Down" could be another one..

at the moment I cant think of another track where it sounds like they're having so much fun playing it..

>>Let It Bleed or Sticky Fingers, which IMO are unequivocal masterpieces with not a note of filler<<

amen, no filler all killer!

while filler in some eyes, i always found it a crucial track on exile, providing the link back to robert johnson and the delta blues, but with their own interpretation of it.

Have to agree about Exile. It should also be pointed out that it didn't immediately grab the general public either. People have said that for instance Tumbling Dice didn't catch their fancy at first, but that it took a number of listens to catch on. As pointed out in the Stones in Exile DVD, the reviews were initially lukewarm in general and that the "Exile as the ultimate classic Stones album" viewpoint was arrived at retrospectively after several years. Perhaps this change of heart had to do with the recognition that this was mainly a Keith-driven album and that the reappraisal was in keeping with the "Keith is the coolest" attitude which prevailed from the mid-seventies onward. Because for an album that has as many songs as it does, it didn't produce the biggest hits in the Stones canon, and most of the songs on the album were passed over by rock radio. I remember rock radio from the early eighties and you'd hear Tumbling Dice, Happy, Rocks Off, and that was about it. There were several albums that had bigger hits and got more songs from them played on the radio, like for instance Some Girls.

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Have to agree about Exile. It should also be pointed out that it didn't immediately grab the general public either. People have said that for instance Tumbling Dice didn't catch their fancy at first, but that it took a number of listens to catch on. As pointed out in the Stones in Exile DVD, the reviews were initially lukewarm in general and that the "Exile as the ultimate classic Stones album" viewpoint was arrived at retrospectively after several years. Perhaps this change of heart had to do with the recognition that this was mainly a Keith-driven album and that the reappraisal was in keeping with the "Keith is the coolest" attitude which prevailed from the mid-seventies onward. Because for an album that has as many songs as it does, it didn't produce the biggest hits in the Stones canon, and most of the songs on the album were passed over by rock radio. I remember rock radio from the early eighties and you'd hear Tumbling Dice, Happy, Rocks Off, and that was about it. There were several albums that had bigger hits and got more songs from them played on the radio, like for instance Some Girls.

sure but if we are going by singles played on rock radio in the '80s then Foreigner and Styx far outshone the Stones.... i know that wasn't your entire point, but surely airplay of singles on the radio isn't our gauge?

STEEL WHEELS

You mean it's possible to overrate a Stones' album?

I agree. I like TY, IORR, ER, UC, even DW more than SG. Not if SG was bad though..

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I don't recall any if them being overrated ...
I think they have been discussed and rated so much that a consensus has been established.
'Undercover' manages to be both the most underrated and overrated at the same time.

...of course I meant to agree with you, Thommie.

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giddy up

It's a good album, but when fans are placing it up there with the "big four", what are they doing? ....rating (fill in).

Some Girls.

It's great but it's not on the same planet as the big 4. No way. It's the mechanics of the record - everything is bolted on just right but you can see that it's bolted on just right. It's the start of a predictable and structured sound.



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Some Girls, to me, is the kind of album that I listen to and say, "That's a good album" but don't really have any desire to listen to repeatedly, Beast of Burden aside. All the others thought of as top notch I don't get that feeling.

Some girls...I prefer the "Bonus" Disc!!

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Have to agree about Exile. It should also be pointed out that it didn't immediately grab the general public either. People have said that for instance Tumbling Dice didn't catch their fancy at first, but that it took a number of listens to catch on. As pointed out in the Stones in Exile DVD, the reviews were initially lukewarm in general and that the "Exile as the ultimate classic Stones album" viewpoint was arrived at retrospectively after several years. Perhaps this change of heart had to do with the recognition that this was mainly a Keith-driven album and that the reappraisal was in keeping with the "Keith is the coolest" attitude which prevailed from the mid-seventies onward. Because for an album that has as many songs as it does, it didn't produce the biggest hits in the Stones canon, and most of the songs on the album were passed over by rock radio. I remember rock radio from the early eighties and you'd hear Tumbling Dice, Happy, Rocks Off, and that was about it. There were several albums that had bigger hits and got more songs from them played on the radio, like for instance Some Girls.

sure but if we are going by singles played on rock radio in the '80s then Foreigner and Styx far outshone the Stones.... i know that wasn't your entire point, but surely airplay of singles on the radio isn't our gauge?

I have no idea what Boreigner and Pryx have to do with the point I was making, but since you chose the singles aspect of my argument to reply to I'll address it by saying that in terms of radio play you never really heard a lot of cuts from the album during the heyday of rock radio. Big hit singles became big time classics with the general public as well as a lot of Stones fans, which led to the type of set lists the band would wish to present to concert audiences during any given show.

Likewise with compilation albums. Each prospective greatest hits album is an introduction of sorts to the beginner not familiar with all the albums of their back catalog. How many songs from Exile have made these best of collections? I would say it is the songs of other albums that the band would present as an introduction to the beginning listener. And in terms of concert set lists, it seems that Some Girls has occupied a greater number of slots in set lists over the years and with greater frequency than has Exile.

"Best foot forward" as they say. If Exile is supposed to be the all-time classic Stones album, then this is the recording they would want for the beginning listener to hear first, isn't it? But instead, aside from Tumbling Dice and Happy, Exile has been largely overlooked in terms of both vehicles that tend to reach the beginning listener first--compilation albums and concert set lists.

Even Mick has gone on record saying that he believes Exile to be overrated, even going so far as to say that he doesn't see what's so great about it.

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Have to agree about Exile. It should also be pointed out that it didn't immediately grab the general public either. People have said that for instance Tumbling Dice didn't catch their fancy at first, but that it took a number of listens to catch on. As pointed out in the Stones in Exile DVD, the reviews were initially lukewarm in general and that the "Exile as the ultimate classic Stones album" viewpoint was arrived at retrospectively after several years. Perhaps this change of heart had to do with the recognition that this was mainly a Keith-driven album and that the reappraisal was in keeping with the "Keith is the coolest" attitude which prevailed from the mid-seventies onward. Because for an album that has as many songs as it does, it didn't produce the biggest hits in the Stones canon, and most of the songs on the album were passed over by rock radio. I remember rock radio from the early eighties and you'd hear Tumbling Dice, Happy, Rocks Off, and that was about it. There were several albums that had bigger hits and got more songs from them played on the radio, like for instance Some Girls.

sure but if we are going by singles played on rock radio in the '80s then Foreigner and Styx far outshone the Stones.... i know that wasn't your entire point, but surely airplay of singles on the radio isn't our gauge?

I have no idea what Boreigner and Pryx have to do with the point I was making, but since you chose the singles aspect of my argument to reply to I'll address it by saying that in terms of radio play you never really heard a lot of cuts from the album during the heyday of rock radio. Big hit singles became big time classics with the general public as well as a lot of Stones fans, which led to the type of set lists the band would wish to present to concert audiences during any given show.

Likewise with compilation albums. Each prospective greatest hits album is an introduction of sorts to the beginner not familiar with all the albums of their back catalog. How many songs from Exile have made these best of collections? I would say it is the songs of other albums that the band would present as an introduction to the beginning listener. And in terms of concert set lists, it seems that Some Girls has occupied a greater number of slots in set lists over the years and with greater frequency than has Exile.

"Best foot forward" as they say. If Exile is supposed to be the all-time classic Stones album, then this is the recording they would want for the beginning listener to hear first, isn't it? But instead, aside from Tumbling Dice and Happy, Exile has been largely overlooked in terms of both vehicles that tend to reach the beginning listener first--compilation albums and concert set lists.

Even Mick has gone on record saying that he believes Exile to be overrated, even going so far as to say that he doesn't see what's so great about it.

hmm i just don't buy this way of evaluating albums, by this logic "Beggar's Banquet" and "Let it Bleed" also fall short of "Some Girls"

on this site it is Goats Head Soup for sure.

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Have to agree about Exile. It should also be pointed out that it didn't immediately grab the general public either. People have said that for instance Tumbling Dice didn't catch their fancy at first, but that it took a number of listens to catch on. As pointed out in the Stones in Exile DVD, the reviews were initially lukewarm in general and that the "Exile as the ultimate classic Stones album" viewpoint was arrived at retrospectively after several years. Perhaps this change of heart had to do with the recognition that this was mainly a Keith-driven album and that the reappraisal was in keeping with the "Keith is the coolest" attitude which prevailed from the mid-seventies onward. Because for an album that has as many songs as it does, it didn't produce the biggest hits in the Stones canon, and most of the songs on the album were passed over by rock radio. I remember rock radio from the early eighties and you'd hear Tumbling Dice, Happy, Rocks Off, and that was about it. There were several albums that had bigger hits and got more songs from them played on the radio, like for instance Some Girls.

sure but if we are going by singles played on rock radio in the '80s then Foreigner and Styx far outshone the Stones.... i know that wasn't your entire point, but surely airplay of singles on the radio isn't our gauge?

I have no idea what Boreigner and Pryx have to do with the point I was making, but since you chose the singles aspect of my argument to reply to I'll address it by saying that in terms of radio play you never really heard a lot of cuts from the album during the heyday of rock radio. Big hit singles became big time classics with the general public as well as a lot of Stones fans, which led to the type of set lists the band would wish to present to concert audiences during any given show.

Likewise with compilation albums. Each prospective greatest hits album is an introduction of sorts to the beginner not familiar with all the albums of their back catalog. How many songs from Exile have made these best of collections? I would say it is the songs of other albums that the band would present as an introduction to the beginning listener. And in terms of concert set lists, it seems that Some Girls has occupied a greater number of slots in set lists over the years and with greater frequency than has Exile.

"Best foot forward" as they say. If Exile is supposed to be the all-time classic Stones album, then this is the recording they would want for the beginning listener to hear first, isn't it? But instead, aside from Tumbling Dice and Happy, Exile has been largely overlooked in terms of both vehicles that tend to reach the beginning listener first--compilation albums and concert set lists.

Even Mick has gone on record saying that he believes Exile to be overrated, even going so far as to say that he doesn't see what's so great about it.

hmm i just don't buy this way of evaluating albums, by this logic "Beggar's Banquet" and "Let it Bleed" also fall short of "Some Girls"

You beat me to it sonomastone.
If you want to rate the Stones by numbers - hard sales - or whatever then fine. For me that's marketing talk and not what the Stones are about. You're losing the soul of the band. Any of those big 4 albums and particularly Exile offer up layers of depth that bear repeated listening. Even Goat's Head Soup which is why, on this board at least, it's had a renaissance.