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Oh my...how holier than thou? I had know idea how much of the moral majority represents itself here. Perhaps a little forgiveness is needed?
p.s. I wasn't responding directly to tele's blurb...just some other stuff that's been stated in this thread.
Forgiveness? Maybe, but a sense of humor, definitely. There probably is a lot of BS in the book, but who cares? I am a huge fan of Keith's, but he's not someone I know personally, so I didn't feel the need to forgive him for anything at all. If you've had your illusions shattered then whose fault is that? It's certainly not Keith's responsibility to make sure his fans only see him in the best possible light. I don't like some of the things he wrote about in the book, but it doesn't change my opinion of him. From what I know about him, there are things I admire about KR and things I don't, but I love his music and I found his book entertaining. That's all I require of a public figure. Count me satisfied.
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In "Life", Freddie Sessler is treated like a loved comrade-in-arms, while Bill Wyman, Brian Jones, and Mick Taylor are basically afterthoughts. Seems strange.
Well, he has a few tongue in cheek-comments about Bill in there If you don't get easily provoked, there is some love between the lines when it comes to how Bill is portrayed.
True...I don't think he disparages Wyman in the book.
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He doesn't say much about Bill, and I thought what he said about Mick T. was just mean. It was something along the lines of him having no personality and that you already know everything about the guy after talking to him for a few seconds. If that was the kind of attitude he had to deal with, no wonder he left!
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I also didn't see the need to forgive him for anything at all.
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He doesn't say much about Bill, and I thought what he said about Mick T. was just mean. It was something along the lines of him having no personality and that you already know everything about the guy after talking to him for a few seconds. If that was the kind of attitude he had to deal with, no wonder he left!
Too bad Freddie Sessler or Tony Sanchez couldn't play guitar...
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I also didn't see the need to forgive him for anything at all.
Quite Rightly So. Especially when there is nothing to blame him for
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
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He doesn't say much about Bill, and I thought what he said about Mick T. was just mean. It was something along the lines of him having no personality and that you already know everything about the guy after talking to him for a few seconds. If that was the kind of attitude he had to deal with, no wonder he left!
Too bad Freddie Sessler or Tony Sanchez couldn't play guitar...
Or too bad Taylor didn't have a supply of pharmaceutical grade stuff.
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
I think you are very spot on in that assessment. Love that you were able to overview the entire book in four short sentences.
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
I think you are very spot on in that assessment. Love that you were able to overview the entire book in four short sentences.
But the conclusion was different than yours...
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I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
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I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I know you poke fun of nuances in word meanings (e.g., tedious vs boring -- not the same, btw),
but I'm curious whether you're more disillusioned by, or you straight up now dislike, Keith?
I had to shift how I saw him, somewhat, but it was a welcome "correction" ultimately, because it's
more realistic -- Keith warts and all is how I see that book.
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
I think you are very spot on in that assessment. Love that you were able to overview the entire book in four short sentences.
But the conclusion was different than yours...
You don't understand my conclusion then.
I agree with all of what desertblues68 has opined...I just find it hard to respect an adult that speaks and behaves in the way he has.
He took a moment to look back on his 'LIFE' and his historical account is to be dismissive and derogatory to those that have helped him throughout his career.
I was excited about the prospect of reading the book...it was KEEF, the coolest stone, in his own words.
Then I started reading some of the accounts online, then I read it myself.
Beyond being a slow and meandering read, I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I hope Mick never writes a book!
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I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I know you poke fun of nuances in word meanings (e.g., tedious vs boring -- not the same, btw),
but I'm curious whether you're more disillusioned by, or you straight up now dislike, Keith?
I had to shift how I saw him, somewhat, but it was a welcome "correction" ultimately, because it's
more realistic -- Keith warts and all is how I see that book.
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Aside from the Mick-bashing and keeping up with his public image, I detected a profound love of music, his mum and yes his family. His strong criticism of Mick can also be seen as deep love for him and a craving for their past relationships. This might be a man who finds difficult to express himself. There is a lot of pain as well masked with substance abuse.
I think you are very spot on in that assessment. Love that you were able to overview the entire book in four short sentences.
But the conclusion was different than yours...
You don't understand my conclusion then.
I agree with all of what desertblues68 has opined...I just find it hard to respect an adult that speaks and behaves in the way he has.
He took a moment to look back on his 'LIFE' and his historical account is to be dismissive and derogatory to those that have helped him throughout his career.
I was excited about the prospect of reading the book...it was KEEF, the coolest stone, in his own words.
Then I started reading some of the accounts online, then I read it myself.
Beyond being a slow and meandering read, I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I hope Mick never writes a book!
Of course I understand your conclusion. But this time (for once?) you didn't understand my humorous remark
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I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I know you poke fun of nuances in word meanings (e.g., tedious vs boring -- not the same, btw),
but I'm curious whether you're more disillusioned by, or you straight up now dislike, Keith?
I had to shift how I saw him, somewhat, but it was a welcome "correction" ultimately, because it's
more realistic -- Keith warts and all is how I see that book.
Hmm...That's what I thought at first. But when you so carefully stage-manage the "warts", is it really "warts and all"? I think it's about a 75% honest book. It raised as many questions as it answered. That said, what a person chooses to put in hos or her own story can be as interesting as the unvarnished objective "truth". I love Dylan's "Chronicles". Not so much because it was true - he made a lot of it up out of whole cloth - but because it so accurately represented how Dylan wants to be seen, and what his relationship is to his public image. Plus, it was so damn entertaining you didn't care that much if it was true.
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I also didn't see the need to forgive him for anything at all.
Quite Rightly So. Especially when there is nothing to blame him for
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I wasn't prepared for how much I would end up disliking him.
I know you poke fun of nuances in word meanings (e.g., tedious vs boring -- not the same, btw),
but I'm curious whether you're more disillusioned by, or you straight up now dislike, Keith?
I had to shift how I saw him, somewhat, but it was a welcome "correction" ultimately, because it's
more realistic -- Keith warts and all is how I see that book.
Hmm...That's what I thought at first. But when you so carefully stage-manage the "warts", is it really "warts and all"? I think it's about a 75% honest book. It raised as many questions as it answered. That said, what a person chooses to put in hos or her own story can be as interesting as the unvarnished objective "truth". I love Dylan's "Chronicles". Not so much because it was true - he made a lot of it up out of whole cloth - but because it so accurately represented how Dylan wants to be seen, and what his relationship is to his public image. Plus, it was so damn entertaining you didn't care that much if it was true.
Stage managing warts - lol! Do you mean the reader or the writer/editor? The book felt very
"casually," even haphazardly, put together -- tho, as I said earlier in this thread, that doesn't
seem inconsistent with what many of us know of Keith as a person or as a musician. I was
uncomfortable several times when Keith hit on a topic that was potentially emotionally intense,
but which he didn't seem to have the capacity to navigate honestly (perhaps to your point),
so instead went into this over-the-top braggadocious place, that felt so disingenuous and
hollow. I figured he did the best he could at the time. And, again, I do hope he writes more.
btw...what happened to the Neil Young/divorce/projection thread?
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His children book is out next month.
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His children book is out next month.
That's much cooler than writing childish 'keeping up appearances' autobiographies...
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Yeah, I will be buying that, but not for myself, I will be reading it with my friend's kids><Quote
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His children book is out next month.
That's much cooler than writing childish 'keeping up appearances' autobiographies...
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Actually, it is pretty cool - and unexpected
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His children book is out next month.
That's much cooler than writing childish 'keeping up appearances' autobiographies...
- Doxa
Actually, it is pretty cool - and unexpected