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DeanGoodman
Saw him last night, the third and final show at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood. It was my 11th show since 1991. Pretty much each time I vow after the event, "Never again." Last night I was thinking "Never again" about 30 seconds into the opener, "Things Have Changed" - though I did not recognize the song until it was almost finished.
The show was sheer torture. Maybe I should have been better acquainted with his newish material, though his traditionally appalling delivery and bizarre phrasing would have rendered them all complete mysteries anyway. The "warhorses" - Tangled Up in Blue, She Belongs to Me, and Simple Twist of Fate - were murdered.
I didn't even care that skipped "All Along the Watchtower" and "Blowin' in the Wind". I just wanted it to be over. I would have walked out, but it's a nice venue, and I had an expensive $160 seat in Row H with a buffer zone of empty seats around me. It also would have been nice to see his face from said seat, but he was backlit by faint spotlights.
I saw just 2 dudes in Deadhead shirts. This demo used to dominate Bob shows post-Jerry, but they have thankfully disappeared. That did not stop one of the dudes from doing an awkward white-man dance throughout the show. (The elderly crowd was seated throughout.)
How bad was it? I was thinking I could be home watching the completely inane "Homeland."
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The show was sheer torture. Maybe I should have been better acquainted with his newish material, though his traditionally appalling delivery and bizarre phrasing would have rendered them all complete mysteries anyway. The "warhorses" - Tangled Up in Blue, She Belongs to Me, and Simple Twist of Fate - were murdered.
I saw just 2 dudes in Deadhead shirts. This demo used to dominate Bob shows post-Jerry, but they have thankfully disappeared. That did not stop one of the dudes from doing an awkward white-man dance throughout the show. (The elderly crowd was seated throughout.)
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It's funny, I have complained for 20 years about the damn old people at concerts that are glued to their chair. No room for energy, dancing, fun of any kind. Knopfler 15 years ago in a beautiful venue in San Diego...filled with old people who refused to dance. I think age is the antidote to a good time for many.
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Yeah, I've met people like you that just shocked that I would want to dance at Stones gig. I get it...it's my fault I want to dance at a rock concert....but it isn't age that makes you equate that to a mosh pit.
What a drag it is getting old.
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Yeah, I've met people like you that just shocked that I would want to dance at Stones gig. I get it...it's my fault I want to dance at a rock concert....but it isn't age that makes you equate that to a mosh pit.
What a drag it is getting old.
We weren't talking about a Stones gig. And you obviously did not bother to read my post carefully. It's simple: Go with the flow. If you insist on dancing (i.e. standing up and blocking other people's view) at a show where almost nobody else is doing it or wants to do it, you are merely a selfish entitled a-hole. And I have met some who have nearly ruined great shows, unfortunately. And it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with good manners and respect.
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Yeah, I've met people like you that just shocked that I would want to dance at Stones gig. I get it...it's my fault I want to dance at a rock concert....but it isn't age that makes you equate that to a mosh pit.
What a drag it is getting old.
We weren't talking about a Stones gig. And you obviously did not bother to read my post carefully. It's simple: Go with the flow. If you insist on dancing (i.e. standing up and blocking other people's view) at a show where almost nobody else is doing it or wants to do it, you are merely a selfish entitled a-hole. And I have met some who have nearly ruined great shows, unfortunately. And it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with good manners and respect.
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Yeah, I've met people like you that just shocked that I would want to dance at Stones gig. I get it...it's my fault I want to dance at a rock concert....but it isn't age that makes you equate that to a mosh pit.
What a drag it is getting old.
We weren't talking about a Stones gig. And you obviously did not bother to read my post carefully. It's simple: Go with the flow. If you insist on dancing (i.e. standing up and blocking other people's view) at a show where almost nobody else is doing it or wants to do it, you are merely a selfish entitled a-hole. And I have met some who have nearly ruined great shows, unfortunately. And it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with good manners and respect.
Got it...don't dance at a Stones gig or 71Tele will be upset. Maybe Tele should have bought a better ticket.
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DeanGoodman
Saw him last night, the third and final show at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood. It was my 11th show since 1991. Pretty much each time I vow after the event, "Never again." Last night I was thinking "Never again" about 30 seconds into the opener, "Things Have Changed" - though I did not recognize the song until it was almost finished.
The show was sheer torture. Maybe I should have been better acquainted with his newish material, though his traditionally appalling delivery and bizarre phrasing would have rendered them all complete mysteries anyway. The "warhorses" - Tangled Up in Blue, She Belongs to Me, and Simple Twist of Fate - were murdered.
I didn't even care that skipped "All Along the Watchtower" and "Blowin' in the Wind". I just wanted it to be over. I would have walked out, but it's a nice venue, and I had an expensive $160 seat in Row H with a buffer zone of empty seats around me. It also would have been nice to see his face from said seat, but he was backlit by faint spotlights.
I saw just 2 dudes in Deadhead shirts. This demo used to dominate Bob shows post-Jerry, but they have thankfully disappeared. That did not stop one of the dudes from doing an awkward white-man dance throughout the show. (The elderly crowd was seated throughout.)
How bad was it? I was thinking I could be home watching the completely inane "Homeland."
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DeanGoodman
Saw him last night, the third and final show at the Dolby Theatre in Hollywood. It was my 11th show since 1991. Pretty much each time I vow after the event, "Never again." Last night I was thinking "Never again" about 30 seconds into the opener, "Things Have Changed" - though I did not recognize the song until it was almost finished.
The show was sheer torture. Maybe I should have been better acquainted with his newish material, though his traditionally appalling delivery and bizarre phrasing would have rendered them all complete mysteries anyway. The "warhorses" - Tangled Up in Blue, She Belongs to Me, and Simple Twist of Fate - were murdered.
I didn't even care that skipped "All Along the Watchtower" and "Blowin' in the Wind". I just wanted it to be over. I would have walked out, but it's a nice venue, and I had an expensive $160 seat in Row H with a buffer zone of empty seats around me. It also would have been nice to see his face from said seat, but he was backlit by faint spotlights.
I saw just 2 dudes in Deadhead shirts. This demo used to dominate Bob shows post-Jerry, but they have thankfully disappeared. That did not stop one of the dudes from doing an awkward white-man dance throughout the show. (The elderly crowd was seated throughout.)
How bad was it? I was thinking I could be home watching the completely inane "Homeland."
Wow ok well I guess what you get out of a show and I are quite different. I thought he played the gear from Blood On The Tracks sublimely and some of his newer gear that I was unfamiliar with I thought was so good on first listen I now own it all. I saw the show in perth a cpl months back but from glancing at the setlist it appears it was basically the same show.
You're a hard man Dean...
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Yeah, I've met people like you that just shocked that I would want to dance at Stones gig. I get it...it's my fault I want to dance at a rock concert....but it isn't age that makes you equate that to a mosh pit.
What a drag it is getting old.
We weren't talking about a Stones gig. And you obviously did not bother to read my post carefully. It's simple: Go with the flow. If you insist on dancing (i.e. standing up and blocking other people's view) at a show where almost nobody else is doing it or wants to do it, you are merely a selfish entitled a-hole. And I have met some who have nearly ruined great shows, unfortunately. And it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with good manners and respect.
I've read you can taser people for that...seems reasonable.
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Hairball
Different perspectives and opinions should be welcomed and appreciated rather than completely dismissed and ignored. Different strokes for different folks...
With that said, I would love to read a review from you of the abysmal Dylan show I saw two years ago at the Santa Barbara Bowl.
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Different perspectives and opinions should be welcomed and appreciated rather than completely dismissed and ignored. Different strokes for different folks...
With that said, I would love to read a review from you of the abysmal Dylan show I saw two years ago at the Santa Barbara Bowl.
It made me appreciate the Stones, esp, Mick Jagger, even more. But can you imagine if they did a tour where the warhorses were, say, Beast of Burden + Rocks Off + She's a Rainbow, and everything else was off the last 4 albums?!
I did see Dylan in Santa Barbara - but it was the UCSB Events Center in October 2001, kinda like a high school gym. A Deadhead convention.
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Different perspectives and opinions should be welcomed and appreciated rather than completely dismissed and ignored. Different strokes for different folks...
With that said, I would love to read a review from you of the abysmal Dylan show I saw two years ago at the Santa Barbara Bowl.
It made me appreciate the Stones, esp, Mick Jagger, even more. But can you imagine if they did a tour where the warhorses were, say, Beast of Burden + Rocks Off + She's a Rainbow, and everything else was off the last 4 albums?!
I did see Dylan in Santa Barbara - but it was the UCSB Events Center in October 2001, kinda like a high school gym. A Deadhead convention.
I was thinking the same thing regarding what if the Stones played mostly stuff from their last 4 or 5 albums. While some might be giddy at the thought of this notion, most would be hankering for the old warhorses (Sympathy, Start Me Up, Satisfaction, IORR, etc., etc.) from start to finish. Personally I'd prefer a warhorse laden Stones concert vs. a show focused on their last 4 or 5 albums, so I see your point.
But as ab mentioned above, Dylan's last 5 studio albums have enough great material to carry him through, while the Stones' last 4 or 5 studio albums leave alot to be desired by most anyone's standards - give or take a decent tune here and there.
I also saw Dylan at the UCSB Events Center, but I think it was 2004 (?)...had horrible seats in the back corner by the exit/entrance and the sound sucked from my location.
Also at the Ventura Fairgrounds in 2001 with Phil Lesh of the Grateful Dead co-headlining.
While Dylan was in pretty good form, the entire evening was somewhat marred by a plethora of Deadheads.
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71Tele
I think the Dead phase is the worst period for Dylan. He was in bad shape and musically adrift at the time. Frankly I can't think of more different artists in many ways. Dylan was never a hippie. The fact that Deadheads show up at Dylan shows has always been an annoyance. I never could stand that band, and still can't.
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I think the Dead phase is the worst period for Dylan. He was in bad shape and musically adrift at the time. Frankly I can't think of more different artists in many ways. Dylan was never a hippie. The fact that Deadheads show up at Dylan shows has always been an annoyance. I never could stand that band, and still can't.
While I agree Dylan's collaboration with the Dead was not a high point, I find it hard to fault the Dead. Dylan has given them credit for leading him out of the horrible funk he was in by the mid 1980s. They got him to rethink his approach to live performing. In terms of execution of that vision the fall 1987 tour with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (Temples In Flames) was much better but the Dead deserve credit for getting Dylan to move into the next phase which became the so-called Never Ending Tour. They got him to do material he had never played live or had rarely played.