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A couple of unfortunate bends (pun intended)
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Bollocks. STEEL WHEELS, VOODOO and BRIDGES tours were fine performances, with VOODOO probably the best - ever - for Tumbling Dice.
Those are practically almost exactly the same tempo!
You obviously got a thing for solos
A normal electric guitar and a b-bender are often very different-sounding, though. I agree that Ronnie sometimes makes too much out of the bender, instead of merely spicing up the solo with it. Country bends in every lick on TD is too much. Same with BTMMR, imo. The more sparse playing, like on SG suit the songs better.
I measured the tempos:
1989 version - 120 bpm
2014 version - 119 bpm
At which point in the songs?
If so, that's mostly due to Mick's singing, imo. I think the 89 and 94 versions are excellent. They might be a bit horn-heavy, but they have always relied a bit on the horns toward the ending, even in 72...
If Darryl was the original and Bill took over people would be bitching all day long.
NICE!! Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 11, 2014 15:07
1:40 and throughout. Why isn't this "riding the riff"?
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
powerage78
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Date: June 11, 2014 15:12
Beautiful solo ><
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Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 11, 2014 15:28
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powerage78
Beautiful solo >
A couple of unfortunate bends (pun intended)
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
powerage78
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Date: June 11, 2014 15:54
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I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 11, 2014 18:23
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this song has never been good live. no wonder they keep tinkering with it.
Bollocks. STEEL WHEELS, VOODOO and BRIDGES tours were fine performances, with VOODOO probably the best - ever - for Tumbling Dice.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 11, 2014 18:26
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DandelionPowderman
Er, the 1989 version are breakneck-speed compared to 2014
Those are practically almost exactly the same tempo!
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
powerage78
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Date: June 11, 2014 19:27
For sure, Ronnie solo is far better in 1989...
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Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 11, 2014 19:38
Yeah they are.
They played it at a snail pace in 1975.
They played it at a snail pace in 1975.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 11, 2014 19:39
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powerage78
For sure, Ronnie solo is far better in 1989...
You obviously got a thing for solos
A normal electric guitar and a b-bender are often very different-sounding, though. I agree that Ronnie sometimes makes too much out of the bender, instead of merely spicing up the solo with it. Country bends in every lick on TD is too much. Same with BTMMR, imo. The more sparse playing, like on SG suit the songs better.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: June 11, 2014 20:12
On the VOODOO tour Ronnie really laid into the solo (with no B-bender as I recall) and it was excellent.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
RoyalPurpleStones
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Date: June 11, 2014 20:50
Didn't realize that there was a speed limit on songs. Personally I like to hear songs played at different tempos. Especially songs that are played repeatedly tour after tour. Sometimes the Stones like to cruise and other times they like to floor it! Either way (or somewhere in between) it's always a fun ride.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
mgguy
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Date: June 11, 2014 21:02
TD from Glastonbury?
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
TheBlockbuster
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Date: June 11, 2014 21:37
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DandelionPowderman
Er, the 1989 version are breakneck-speed compared to 2014
Those are practically almost exactly the same tempo!
I measured the tempos:
1989 version - 120 bpm
2014 version - 119 bpm
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 11, 2014 22:10
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GasLightStreetQuote
DandelionPowderman
Er, the 1989 version are breakneck-speed compared to 2014
Those are practically almost exactly the same tempo!
I measured the tempos:
1989 version - 120 bpm
2014 version - 119 bpm
At which point in the songs?
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: June 11, 2014 22:19
I withhold my position on this. They standardized TD from the '89 tour and on. They made it safe but at the same time they made it, sort of, lifeless...
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 11, 2014 23:39
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Stoneage
I withhold my position on this. They standardized TD from the '89 tour and on. They made it safe but at the same time they made it, sort of, lifeless...
If so, that's mostly due to Mick's singing, imo. I think the 89 and 94 versions are excellent. They might be a bit horn-heavy, but they have always relied a bit on the horns toward the ending, even in 72...
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
marko
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Date: June 12, 2014 01:11
that 02 version is actually boring,,,,listen any of the Hampton-81 or New York 27.6.1975,,,,thats riding the riff...last time he did that was 1997-1998.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
bitusa2012
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Date: June 12, 2014 11:52
April 11, 2006 Sydney. Tumbling Dice. A little quick for my liking (preferred the version I heard from front row in the pit at the Enmore Theatre in Sydney in 2003), but I vividly recall walking out of the arena and finding my brother in law who had sat miles away, and he said he had never before "heard" how beautiful that song is.
And you know what? IT IS. Its a lovely number done, over the years, in a few differing 'styles' but nevertheless, remains a simple, melodic and graceful piece of soul to me.
I love it, at any speed!
And you know what? IT IS. Its a lovely number done, over the years, in a few differing 'styles' but nevertheless, remains a simple, melodic and graceful piece of soul to me.
I love it, at any speed!
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
Mr.D
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Date: June 12, 2014 12:24
I recently dug out my 5.1 version of Brussells Affair and LOVE the way they played Tumbling Dice in '73!
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
nobs
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Date: June 12, 2014 14:07
Slower tempo from the early 70's rehearsals was locked in
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-12 14:10 by nobs.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-12 14:10 by nobs.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
RG
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Date: June 12, 2014 14:23
I am totally into the RMP Series Outtakes [Gangster's Moll, LSTNT, BOB great versions, love it!!]
Sorry wrong TopicRe: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
Loudei
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Date: June 12, 2014 15:21
Well my friend in 89' they had what made this song great live BILL WYMAN
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Keith doesnt drive the song and this is one of those songs he has to be in charge. But thank God it isnt slow because the slow never ending Vegas-era versions are the worst. I think the tempo is much better now. Of course nothing comes close to the Taylor-era versions.
But I prefer this to any other version since 1981. video: [www.youtube.com]
All the versions from 1989 and on are faster than the 72/73-versions, if you're talking about TD.
Yes but the 1972 and 1973 versions were better. But ok I didnt know all the 1989- versions were faster, they felt a l o t longer and endless. This 2014 is better. More tempo.
Er, the 1989 version are breakneck-speed compared to 2014
And the "snail" versions:
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
Loudei
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Date: June 12, 2014 15:31
video: [www.youtube.com]
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
Loudei
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Date: June 12, 2014 15:40
It's not really so much the up tempo... Bill Wyman's playing with Charlie was the groove. People don't really know what Bill mmeant to the band live. Darryl is a great musician but the chemistry is not the same....
STONES R.I.P 1962 - 1993
STONES R.I.P 1962 - 1993
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
RockinJive
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Date: June 12, 2014 16:22
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Loudei
It's not really so much the up tempo... Bill Wyman's playing with Charlie was the groove. People don't really know what Bill mmeant to the band live. Darryl is a great musician but the chemistry is not the same....
STONES R.I.P 1962 - 1993
If Darryl was the original and Bill took over people would be bitching all day long.
Re: Tumblin Dice been played too fast
Posted by:
RockinJive
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Date: June 12, 2014 16:35
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Er, the 1989 version are breakneck-speed compared to 2014
Those are practically almost exactly the same tempo!
I measured the tempos:
1989 version - 120 bpm
2014 version - 119 bpm
NICE!! Thanks for pointing that out.
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