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Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: René ()
Date: June 2, 2014 10:18

Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
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Short And Curlies
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)

Dynamic Sound Studios, Kingston, Jamaica, November 25 - 30 & December 6 - 21,
1972, Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, May 23 & 26, 1973 and
Island Recording Studios, London, UK, May 20 - 25, 1974

Mick Jagger - lead vocals, backing vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar, harmony vocals, backing vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass
Mick Taylor - electric guitar
Ian Stewart - piano

Too bad, she's got you by the balls, you can't get free at all
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' like thunder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, you can't break loose at all
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' like thunder
And you're trapped like a rat in a hole

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, she's nailed you to the wall
Oh, it's a shame, but that is funny
She crashed your car, she spend your money
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's grabbed a handful and you can't get away from it all
It's too bad, ooh, and it's painful
And you can't break away from this stall
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' blue murder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, she's got you by the balls
She's got you by the balls, she's got you by the
It's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad
It’s so sad, so sad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad…

Produced by Jimmy Miller & The Glimmer Twins

First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll” LP
(Rolling Stones Records COC 79101) US, October 15, 1974

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: June 2, 2014 10:39

Album filler.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 11:18

B-side material.
I actually can't stand it.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: 1962 ()
Date: June 2, 2014 11:32

I love this kind of Rolling Stones material. You may call it a filler. For me it's a proof that The Rolling Stones still play their original blues / boogie roots extreemly well, unique like the good old days. This kind of music is the heart of The Rolling Stones. (like Hide Your Love, Casino Boogie, Fancy Man Blues or even Mean Deposition)

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 11:40

The song was going to be called Cut Your Balls Off according to an NME album preview in summer 74.

This is what I'd call 'lads rock', a style the Stones would revisit on Summer Romance and Where The Boys Go on the Emotional Rescue album. It's got that kind of pre-punk laddishness about it but yep, pretty much filler material. love the Mick Taylor bluesy leads though.

I see it was recorded at Island studios which became Sarm Studios in the 80s. I passed the old Island studios on Friday night and they are turning the building where Bob Marley, Free, Led Zeppelin, Cat Stevens, Traffic and many other great groups recording historic albums into a luxury block of flats. So Olympic Studios gone and now Island too.

Anybody know any more about the time the Stones spent recording/overdubbing in Basing Street off Portobello Road, Notting Hill? Are there any photos and what else did they record there.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-02 11:41 by Silver Dagger.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 11:49

< love the Mick Taylor bluesy leads though.>

The only Taylor lead is in the very beginning of the song. After that, Keith takes over. But the slide in the beginning (first seconds) is indeed tasty.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: June 2, 2014 11:54

..... a bit of Bo Carter comin' out in the Stones ....

ROCKMAN

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: June 2, 2014 12:03

I like this kind of songs from Stones...thumbs up Excellent blues to be precise...


..she wouldn't say
I said something wrong
Now I long..

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: June 2, 2014 12:05

Typical Stones track, settled in the middle of Blues and Rock, i.e. Rhythm'n Blues. I like it, subtle guitar work and great vocals.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: 1962 ()
Date: June 2, 2014 12:12

Quote
Come On
I like this kind of songs from Stones...thumbs up Excellent blues to be precise...

+1

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: drewmaster ()
Date: June 2, 2014 12:59

IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: guezeg ()
Date: June 2, 2014 13:16

I was frankly suprised when I read that Keith plays the lead on this one. The lead has some lazyness I usually associate with Mick Taylor and I cannot think of another lead by Keith sounding like this one...

Pleasant track anyway !

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 13:17

Quote
drewmaster
IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well smiling smiley

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: fahthree ()
Date: June 2, 2014 13:21

It is filler and vapid, but not forgettable. The moment I saw the title of the thread I started singing it.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: drewmaster ()
Date: June 2, 2014 13:31

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DandelionPowderman
Quote
drewmaster
IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well smiling smiley

Well, yes there are weak tracks on those albums. But "filler" to me is slightly different. Filler is a track that sounds like it was recorded simply for the purpose of taking up space, because they've completely run out of ideas. On those earlier albums, they certainly included tracks that were not up to their usual standard, but never something that just reeks of artistic desperation like SAC.

Drew



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-02 13:31 by drewmaster.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 13:35

Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 13:52

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
drewmaster
IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well smiling smiley

I can't hear any filler on Aftermath - perhaps Going Home is about 5 mins too long. Out Of Our Head - nah. Goat's head Soup - what song are you thinking of? Not Hide Your Love, I hope! No2 - I'd find it hard to chuck anything off that.

Agreed that TSMR has that ridiculous Sing This All Together (See What Happens) jam and jam at the end of Gomper.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 13:56

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

Those are two fantastic songs.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: beno ()
Date: June 2, 2014 14:05

Quote
1962
I love this kind of Rolling Stones material. You may call it a filler. For me it's a proof that The Rolling Stones still play their original blues / boogie roots extreemly well, unique like the good old days. This kind of music is the heart of The Rolling Stones. (like Hide Your Love, Casino Boogie, Fancy Man Blues or even Mean Deposition)

I love them also, together with Had It With You.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 14:10

Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

Those are two fantastic songs.

Filler doesn't necessarily mean "bad". These songs are easy "by numbers"-tracks, like Short And Curlies, for me. I like all the three of them, btw.

Hide Your Love is a jam, which makes it stand out, as opposed to "filler", almost by that alone, imo.

Regarding Aftermath, although being one of my top 4 Stones-albums, I'll have to admit that Think and What To Do (lovely as they are) aspire to being filler material smiling smiley

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 14:28

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

Those are two fantastic songs.

Filler doesn't necessarily mean "bad". These songs are easy "by numbers"-tracks, like Short And Curlies, for me. I like all the three of them, btw.

Hide Your Love is a jam, which makes it stand out, as opposed to "filler", almost by that alone, imo.

Regarding Aftermath, although being one of my top 4 Stones-albums, I'll have to admit that Think and What To Do (lovely as they are) aspire to being filler material smiling smiley

What To Do is probably the first ever country song the Stones wrote. It's got a great singalong melody and for me that means thought was put behind it which stops it falling into 'filler' category. But hey, whatever spins your wheels.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: June 2, 2014 14:39

Horrid

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 15:18

Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Silver Dagger
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

Those are two fantastic songs.

Filler doesn't necessarily mean "bad". These songs are easy "by numbers"-tracks, like Short And Curlies, for me. I like all the three of them, btw.

Hide Your Love is a jam, which makes it stand out, as opposed to "filler", almost by that alone, imo.

Regarding Aftermath, although being one of my top 4 Stones-albums, I'll have to admit that Think and What To Do (lovely as they are) aspire to being filler material smiling smiley

What To Do is probably the first ever country song the Stones wrote. It's got a great singalong melody and for me that means thought was put behind it which stops it falling into 'filler' category. But hey, whatever spins your wheels.

Did they write it before High And Dry? winking smiley

To me, it sounds more of a pop tune than country, but I have to repeat that I like WTD. It's more how the song is constructed, which other songs on the album it is standing next to and the verses that makes it filler in my book.

Luckily, how we perceive music is subjective smileys with beer

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: nightskyman ()
Date: June 2, 2014 15:27

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
drewmaster
IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well smiling smiley

Agreed...I'd add that there's probably filler on all of the Stones albums, depending on your taste or perspective.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-02 15:27 by nightskyman.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Date: June 2, 2014 15:29

Quote
nightskyman
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
drewmaster
IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well smiling smiley

Agreed...I'd add that there's probably filler on all of the Stones albums, depending on your taste or perspective.

And probably from Mick and Keith's perspectives as well smiling smiley

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: June 2, 2014 16:15

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Dancing With Mr. D and Star Star aspire heavily to that definition, imo.

smiling smiley Two Top-number like them....


..she wouldn't say
I said something wrong
Now I long..

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: June 2, 2014 16:22

The first 'album' the Stones did, was Aftermath. The albums before, were stray tracks that were gathered together as albums. No wonder they had to fill these albums out with 'filler's.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 2, 2014 18:56

Quote
Blueranger
The first 'album' the Stones did, was Aftermath. The albums before, were stray tracks that were gathered together as albums. No wonder they had to fill these albums out with 'filler's.

Not so with regards to their UK debut album, that was their first 'album'.

No.2 and Out Of Our Heads fit your description though, partly Sticky Fingers and definietly Exile as well. Meaning more the stray tracks thing for the last two.

...

The Brian Jones Resource



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-02 18:59 by His Majesty.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: June 2, 2014 18:59

I wonder if the lyrics were a bit more imaginative and not so gratuitous whether we'd like the song a lot more.

I agree though as it stands, filler.

Re: Track Talk: Short And Curlies
Posted by: michaelsavage ()
Date: June 2, 2014 19:14

Quote
René
Comments, input and alterations are very welcome!
_______________________________________________________________________________

Short And Curlies
(Mick Jagger / Keith Richards)

Dynamic Sound Studios, Kingston, Jamaica, November 25 - 30 & December 6 - 21,
1972, Olympic Sound Studios, London, UK, May 23 & 26, 1973 and
Island Recording Studios, London, UK, May 20 - 25, 1974

Mick Jagger - lead vocals, backing vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar, harmony vocals, backing vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Bill Wyman - bass
Mick Taylor - electric guitar
Ian Stewart - piano

Too bad, she's got you by the balls, you can't get free at all
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' like thunder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, you can't break loose at all
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' like thunder
And you're trapped like a rat in a hole

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, she's nailed you to the wall
Oh, it's a shame, but that is funny
She crashed your car, she spend your money
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's grabbed a handful and you can't get away from it all
It's too bad, ooh, and it's painful
And you can't break away from this stall
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls
She's got your name, she's got your number
You're screamin' blue murder
And you can't get away from it all

It's too bad, she's got you by the balls, she's got you by the balls
She's got you by the balls, she's got you by the
It's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad
It’s so sad, so sad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad, it's too bad…

Produced by Jimmy Miller & The Glimmer Twins

First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll” LP
(Rolling Stones Records COC 79101) US, October 15, 1974

Fantastic and fun

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