It suffers especially by comparison. Weakest track on the album.
And also IMO - by sequencing the Stones themselves said what they felt of the song. often they have these short uptempo, kind of throwaways that get placed as second to last song.
"Too Tight", "All the Way Down", "I've Had it With You", And to some degree even "Dead Flowers", "Factory Girl", "Miss Amanda Jones", "She's So Cold", "Baby Break it Down".

She's So Cold was a single, though, but I know what you mean

Then it's Monkey Man and a few exceptions to the rule, of course...

Richards comes in at 0:39 right after low slide licks?

I'll have to listen later to what the rhythm guitar does. I don't even remember if there is one, couldn't hear it on my phone.



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IORR was arguably the first time the Stones ever recorded “filler”, and this track certainly qualifies. Totally vapid and forgettable. No wonder the Stones buried it towards the end of the album.

Drew

There are filler on GHS, BTB, TSMR, Aftermath, OOOH and No2 as well

"My Girl" or "Under The Boardwalk", anyone?

"No Anchovies, Please"

S&C would have been a great song for Faces to cover.

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.... be a laugh ta hear some female artist do an answer-record to this one ...

Joan Jett, maybe?

"No Anchovies, Please"

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Richards comes in at 0:39 right after low slide licks?

I'll have to listen later to what the rhythm guitar does. I don't even remember if there is one, couldn't hear it on my phone.

The rhythm guitar is there, I think, but buried in the mix because of the loud piano. A strange mix. And a strange shift from emphasising Taylor's slide in the beginning to Keith's lead guitar which continues throughout

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But one positive thing about "Short And Curlies" needs to be said: over-all IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL sounds a bit uptight record to my ears (partly due to bad production, but also due to performances and song ideas as well), but "Short And Curlies" is an exception. It really is relaxed, naturally groovy piece. The most-EXILE like number by spirit.

- Doxa

Yep, it would not sound out of place on Exile... This loose, "jam-like" feeling of "Short And Curlies" also has a lot in common with Plundered My Soul, btw. "Hide Your Love" also falls in that category. Numbers like these are (just) one of the reasons why I love the Stones...

Take away from of the high end sheen of Short And Curlies and it would fit right in on GOATS HEAD SOUP, which makes sense, logically, considering that it was started during the GHS sessions.

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It suffers especially by comparison. Weakest track on the album.
And also IMO - by sequencing the Stones themselves said what they felt of the song. often they have these short uptempo, kind of throwaways that get placed as second to last song.
"Too Tight", "All the Way Down", "I've Had it With You", And to some degree even "Dead Flowers", "Factory Girl", "Miss Amanda Jones", "She's So Cold", "Baby Break it Down".

Perhaps in some cases they save the more experimental songs, with respect to the sessions and tracks they've decided to make the LP, for the latter part of the album, not just ones they like the least. Hide Your Love, Winter, Can You Hear The Music on GHS; I Got The Blues, Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile from SF - none of those are typical songs for the time; Melody, Fool To Cry and Crazy Mama from BLACK AND BLUE - one of which was a single, the other a B-side.

Look at SOME GIRLS - all of side B is not typical in that LP's regard: Far Away Eyes is over the top podunk country, Respectable is just rockin' filler (compared to what they left off, especially), Keith's one tune, delegated at the end of the LP as what would sort of be more than not common, then 2 singles, one of which is a mind blowingly stellar song, Beast Of Burden, the other a flat out bizarre tune in respect to the overall vibe of the album yet absolutely brilliant, Shattered.

Look at side B of EMOTIONAL RESCUE - the last 2 of 3 songs are the singles.

STEEL WHEELS, the last 3 of 4 are not yer normal tunes, with one being the last single from the album ala Beast Of Burden, the rest of them being an outright bland song with something interesting spliced into it, a blues and then Keith.

Everything post-SW is a wash since they put so much crap on the albums thanks to the amount of time they could use - the context is too bloated: the last half of VOODOO LOUNGE is all over the place; the last 5 tracks on BRIDGES are overkill thanks to MAWGJ and Always Suffering; A BIGGER BANG is considerably weakened by including Oh No Not You Again, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy and even Driving Too Fast.

There may've been a mindset earlier on of 'Let's put these here for people to have to listen to the other songs to get to the singles', like with ER. Maybe they just liked those songs where they put them. All The Way Down on UNDERCOVER is a potential single, so maybe that's why it's there.

Maybe they had a mindset, which always involves leaving really good tunes off for something more 'of the moment', whatever that means, and they have "finished" so there's no going back to get the good songs so the shit songs make the record.


Short And Curlies is kind of a little brother to Star Star, maybe.

Love it! Excellent groove, nice and bluesy, and love the lyrics - classic stones childish/raunchy humor.

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Richards comes in at 0:39 right after low slide licks?

I'll have to listen later to what the rhythm guitar does. I don't even remember if there is one, couldn't hear it on my phone.

The rhythm guitar is there, I think, but buried in the mix because of the loud piano. A strange mix. And a strange shift from emphasising Taylor's slide in the beginning to Keith's lead guitar which continues throughout

Yeah, I have to agree with Andy Johns on not being a huge fan of the mixes on this album.

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Richards comes in at 0:39 right after low slide licks?

I'll have to listen later to what the rhythm guitar does. I don't even remember if there is one, couldn't hear it on my phone.

The rhythm guitar is there, I think, but buried in the mix because of the loud piano. A strange mix. And a strange shift from emphasising Taylor's slide in the beginning to Keith's lead guitar which continues throughout

Yeah, I have to agree with Andy Johns on not being a huge fan of the mixes on this album.

Fingerprint File is the only outstanding song, mix wise, to my ears, anyway. The rest of it is a bunch of mush, although Time Waits For No One is pretty good.

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It suffers especially by comparison. Weakest track on the album.
And also IMO - by sequencing the Stones themselves said what they felt of the song. often they have these short uptempo, kind of throwaways that get placed as second to last song.
"Too Tight", "All the Way Down", "I've Had it With You", And to some degree even "Dead Flowers", "Factory Girl", "Miss Amanda Jones", "She's So Cold", "Baby Break it Down".

Perhaps in some cases they save the more experimental songs, with respect to the sessions and tracks they've decided to make the LP, for the latter part of the album, not just ones they like the least. Hide Your Love, Winter, Can You Hear The Music on GHS; I Got The Blues, Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile from SF - none of those are typical songs for the time; Melody, Fool To Cry and Crazy Mama from BLACK AND BLUE - one of which was a single, the other a B-side.

Look at SOME GIRLS - all of side B is not typical in that LP's regard: Far Away Eyes is over the top podunk country, Respectable is just rockin' filler (compared to what they left off, especially), Keith's one tune, delegated at the end of the LP as what would sort of be more than not common, then 2 singles, one of which is a mind blowingly stellar song, Beast Of Burden, the other a flat out bizarre tune in respect to the overall vibe of the album yet absolutely brilliant, Shattered.

Look at side B of EMOTIONAL RESCUE - the last 2 of 3 songs are the singles.

STEEL WHEELS, the last 3 of 4 are not yer normal tunes, with one being the last single from the album ala Beast Of Burden, the rest of them being an outright bland song with something interesting spliced into it, a blues and then Keith.

Everything post-SW is a wash since they put so much crap on the albums thanks to the amount of time they could use - the context is too bloated: the last half of VOODOO LOUNGE is all over the place; the last 5 tracks on BRIDGES are overkill thanks to MAWGJ and Always Suffering; A BIGGER BANG is considerably weakened by including Oh No Not You Again, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy and even Driving Too Fast.

There may've been a mindset earlier on of 'Let's put these here for people to have to listen to the other songs to get to the singles', like with ER. Maybe they just liked those songs where they put them. All The Way Down on UNDERCOVER is a potential single, so maybe that's why it's there.

Maybe they had a mindset, which always involves leaving really good tunes off for something more 'of the moment', whatever that means, and they have "finished" so there's no going back to get the good songs so the shit songs make the record.


Short And Curlies is kind of a little brother to Star Star, maybe.

Agree with everything, especially that S&C is the little brother to Star Star LOL

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Richards comes in at 0:39 right after low slide licks?

I'll have to listen later to what the rhythm guitar does. I don't even remember if there is one, couldn't hear it on my phone.

The rhythm guitar is there, I think, but buried in the mix because of the loud piano. A strange mix. And a strange shift from emphasising Taylor's slide in the beginning to Keith's lead guitar which continues throughout

Yeah, I have to agree with Andy Johns on not being a huge fan of the mixes on this album.

Fingerprint File is the only outstanding song, mix wise, to my ears, anyway. The rest of it is a bunch of mush, although Time Waits For No One is pretty good.

I listened to the corrected tempo of "Fingerprint File" the other day and it was awesome, grungy funk!

"Time Waits For No One" is a great piece of songwriting. The music, lyrics, everything. It probably should have been the album closer, but it works as a Side 1 closer if you have the record, I suppose.

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It suffers especially by comparison. Weakest track on the album.
And also IMO - by sequencing the Stones themselves said what they felt of the song. often they have these short uptempo, kind of throwaways that get placed as second to last song.
"Too Tight", "All the Way Down", "I've Had it With You", And to some degree even "Dead Flowers", "Factory Girl", "Miss Amanda Jones", "She's So Cold", "Baby Break it Down".

Perhaps in some cases they save the more experimental songs, with respect to the sessions and tracks they've decided to make the LP, for the latter part of the album, not just ones they like the least. Hide Your Love, Winter, Can You Hear The Music on GHS; I Got The Blues, Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile from SF - none of those are typical songs for the time; Melody, Fool To Cry and Crazy Mama from BLACK AND BLUE - one of which was a single, the other a B-side.

Look at SOME GIRLS - all of side B is not typical in that LP's regard: Far Away Eyes is over the top podunk country, Respectable is just rockin' filler (compared to what they left off, especially), Keith's one tune, delegated at the end of the LP as what would sort of be more than not common, then 2 singles, one of which is a mind blowingly stellar song, Beast Of Burden, the other a flat out bizarre tune in respect to the overall vibe of the album yet absolutely brilliant, Shattered.

Look at side B of EMOTIONAL RESCUE - the last 2 of 3 songs are the singles.

STEEL WHEELS, the last 3 of 4 are not yer normal tunes, with one being the last single from the album ala Beast Of Burden, the rest of them being an outright bland song with something interesting spliced into it, a blues and then Keith.

Everything post-SW is a wash since they put so much crap on the albums thanks to the amount of time they could use - the context is too bloated: the last half of VOODOO LOUNGE is all over the place; the last 5 tracks on BRIDGES are overkill thanks to MAWGJ and Always Suffering; A BIGGER BANG is considerably weakened by including Oh No Not You Again, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy and even Driving Too Fast.

There may've been a mindset earlier on of 'Let's put these here for people to have to listen to the other songs to get to the singles', like with ER. Maybe they just liked those songs where they put them. All The Way Down on UNDERCOVER is a potential single, so maybe that's why it's there.

Maybe they had a mindset, which always involves leaving really good tunes off for something more 'of the moment', whatever that means, and they have "finished" so there's no going back to get the good songs so the shit songs make the record.


Short And Curlies is kind of a little brother to Star Star, maybe.

Agree with everything, especially that S&C is the little brother to Star Star LOL

I was just thinking about that. Imagine they finished it and it replaced "Can You Hear The Music" on Goat's Head. What a crude way to end an album!



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Then it's Monkey Man and a few exceptions to the rule, of course...

Ace guitar, crap lyrics.

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Then it's Monkey Man and a few exceptions to the rule, of course...

Ace guitar, crap lyrics.

+ Ace drums, ace bass and ace piano.

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Then it's Monkey Man and a few exceptions to the rule, of course...

Ace guitar, crap lyrics.

+ Ace drums, ace bass and ace piano.

Ace lyrics. There's nothing wrong with the lyrics. They're excellent. Ace slide, ace mix, ace everything.

This thread inspired me to make a new playlist, called SHORT AND CURLIES 1972-1983, which doesn't have any singles on it, at least in this initial version of it yet alone tracks ever released on any compilation, but does have some B-sides:

Some Girls
Neighbours
Casino Boogie
Lies
Tie You Up (The Pain Of Love)
Criss Cross Mind
Hey Negrita
Short And Curlies
100 Years Ago
Turd On The Run
Send It To Me
No Use In Crying
Through The Lonely Nights
I Think I'm Going Mad

It's another way to appreciate their "other" songs.

I haven't heard this song for a long time. I have heard it today and I had to hear it again. I love it.

The more the better.









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Loved it from the moment it was released and still do

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Loved it from the moment it was released and still do

Me too!

It ain't the type of song that would turn you into a 'Stones fan', but in the midst of the album it's fine, not horrible.

If I were to find criticism, I'd say it's 'trying to hard' with the lyrics to be edgy but it's not bad in any way. Just sort of averagish.

This isn't album filler or b-side material. It's straight-up garbage.

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This isn't album filler or b-side material. It's straight-up garbage.

My 15 year old self loved it. It doesn't really communicate much once you're outside your teenage years.

Keith at his very best.

I always liked this tune musically - the rollicking piano and all around vibe, but lyrically a bit silly really, and admittedly doesn't rank up there with the Stones' best or belong on any top ten lists.
However, compared with todays standards of very limited (practically non-existent) original Stones material, the tune could be considered a masterpiece. It's a hundred times better than Doom and Gloom for example.
If released today would probably get unanimous rave reviews from fans and critics alike for it's daring lyrics and back to the basics sound, and one could only hope they come up with something similar in the next decade.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

The piano more or less replaces Keith's rhythm guitar. Good move in this case. Keeps it more balanced and colourful.



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But one positive thing about "Short And Curlies" needs to be said: over-all IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL sounds a bit uptight record to my ears (partly due to bad production, but also due to performances and song ideas as well), but "Short And Curlies" is an exception. It really is relaxed, naturally groovy piece. The most-EXILE like number by spirit.

- Doxa

Maybe because it's a GOATS HEAD SOUP leftover?

All the women I've ever known that are Stones fans love this tune. It's a great little rocker.