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Whatever it is, it will certainly bring out some evidence and shed some light regarding his compositorial skills.
Those who claim that he wrote Ruby Tuesday, will be either surprised or dissapointed.

Seems you are putting too much weight on a snap shot of some home recordings.

We know he could compose already, his contributions to the stones and his soundtrack are proof of that.

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Whether or not these reported recordings are "good" is largely a matter of subjective judgement.

But, if confirmed, these have to be of genuine historic significance.

There are very few recordings of the solo work of the founder of one of the major popular bands of the 20th Century - hence the significance.

Knowing how audio tape physically decays with time, I really really hope that the owner treats the tapes with great care - playing them rarely, and slowly rewinding (without playing) every few years. Transfer to digital medium would be urgent!

Unless the current owner is an expert in archival preservation, then she need to get in touch with one as soon as possible.

(And Heaven help us if the Lawyers get involved!)

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I'm getting a cassette copy, not the actual reel to reel tapes.

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Whatever it is, it will certainly bring out some evidence and shed some light regarding his compositorial skills.
Those who claim that he wrote Ruby Tuesday, will be either surprised or dissapointed.

Seems you are putting too much weight on a snap shot of some home recordings.

We know he could compose already, his contributions to the stones and his soundtrack are proof of that.

Anybody can compose, but there is a difference of putting some chords together or adding textures to someone's songs, compared to actually 'write' a song with both words and music. I presume Brian was in the first category.
I don't expect anything other than historic relevance from these tapes.
The soundtrack is typical mid-sixties hipster music, and not peticular great at all. If this is all what this 'great mastermind' could come up with, I'm glad he contributed the things to the Stones he did, and not anything else.

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First of all not just anybody can compose. You need some musical ability and knowledge. Second of all, as you marginalize Brian Jones let me educate you. The Last Time. Take Brian's dominating guitar out and Mick and Keith don't have a hit. As far as I'm concerned he took a mediocre song and turned it into a hit. Take Brian's textures out of Aftermath and see if the Stones would have competed with Dylan's Blonde on Blonde and the Beatles Rubber Soul and Revolver. As for A Degree of Murder. The film maker liked what Brian did so your opinion doesn't really matter. Considering the shape he was in he did a good job. Lastly, if not for "this great mastermind" there would not have been any Rolling Stones. No one will ever accuse Brian of being a songwriter. And if he didn't fall apart at the seams he would have contributed a lot more and made the stones even better than they were so lighten up on the guy.

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This is very exciting news. Definitely keep us Brian fans informed HM. I won't begin to speculate because it be could many different things. A Degree of Murder. Ruby Tuesday. Unheard original material. Bits and pieces of songs or nothing at all. I would keep the identity of the owner confidential. There were people who made sure Brian's 1969 tapes vanished from the face of the earth and some of them are probably still alive. Another interesting scenario is Keith lived with Brian and Anita for a short period where Keith got Brian playing guitar again. At this point in time I would love to hear anything from Brian that has never been heard before.

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Whatever it is, it will certainly bring out some evidence and shed some light regarding his compositorial skills.
Those who claim that he wrote Ruby Tuesday, will be either surprised or dissapointed.

Seems you are putting too much weight on a snap shot of some home recordings.

We know he could compose already, his contributions to the stones and his soundtrack are proof of that.

Anybody can compose, but there is a difference of putting some chords together or adding textures to someone's songs, compared to actually 'write' a song with both words and music. I presume Brian was in the first category.
I don't expect anything other than historic relevance from these tapes.
The soundtrack is typical mid-sixties hipster music, and not peticular great at all. If this is all what this 'great mastermind' could come up with, I'm glad he contributed the things to the Stones he did, and not anything else.

First of all not just anybody can compose. You need some musical ability and knowledge. Second of all, as you marginalize Brian Jones let me educate you. The Last Time. Take Brian's dominating guitar out and Mick and Keith don't have a hit. As far as I'm concerned he took a mediocre song and turned it into a hit. Take Brian's textures out of Aftermath and see if the Stones would have competed with Dylan's Blonde on Blonde and the Beatles Rubber Soul and Revolver. As for A Degree of Murder. The film maker liked what Brian did so your opinion doesn't really matter. Considering the shape he was in he did a good job. Lastly, if not for "this great mastermind" there would not have been any Rolling Stones. No one will ever accuse Brian of being a songwriter. And if he didn't fall apart at the seams he would have contributed a lot more and made the stones even better than they were so lighten up on the guy.

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"I will send the cassette to you as soon as possible. Your contact has stirred some memories, I think the tapes contain nazi speeches set to experimental music. There's only about 30 minutes of music."

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I would like parts of his soundtrack even if it were done by an unknown musician, but I like 60's soundtracks generally anyway.

The Degree Of Murder soundtrack is certainly of it's time, but the theme as played on recorder and acoustic guitar is beautiful and quite timeless. It shows the sensitivity of him as a musician and also of his ability to write/create music which is evocative and emotional.

It seems people keep trying to judge his contributions in song writing terms. Ok, there are no released Brian Jones songs written on his own. There is a poem by him (probably) which was successfully set to music and there is plenty Brian Jones music within the music of The Rolling Stones.

Coming up with great and distinctive parts for someone else's song is a vital creative thing in it's own right. The world of music would be a very boring and hollow thing without great arrangers. They can make or break a song.

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The people who think Brian was the be all and end all of the stones are just silly, but for better or worse, the band were/are quite different without him.

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"I will send the cassette to you as soon as possible. Your contact has stirred some memories, I think the tapes contain nazi speeches set to experimental music. There's only about 30 minutes of music."

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Whatever it is, it will certainly bring out some evidence and shed some light regarding his compositorial skills.
Those who claim that he wrote Ruby Tuesday, will be either surprised or dissapointed.

Seems you are putting too much weight on a snap shot of some home recordings.

We know he could compose already, his contributions to the stones and his soundtrack are proof of that.

Anybody can compose, but there is a difference of putting some chords together or adding textures to someone's songs, compared to actually 'write' a song with both words and music. I presume Brian was in the first category.
I don't expect anything other than historic relevance from these tapes.
The soundtrack is typical mid-sixties hipster music, and not peticular great at all. If this is all what this 'great mastermind' could come up with, I'm glad he contributed the things to the Stones he did, and not anything else.

First of all not just anybody can compose. You need some musical ability and knowledge. Second of all, as you marginalize Brian Jones let me educate you. The Last Time. Take Brian's dominating guitar out and Mick and Keith don't have a hit. As far as I'm concerned he took a mediocre song and turned it into a hit. Take Brian's textures out of Aftermath and see if the Stones would have competed with Dylan's Blonde on Blonde and the Beatles Rubber Soul and Revolver. As for A Degree of Murder. The film maker liked what Brian did so your opinion doesn't really matter. Considering the shape he was in he did a good job. Lastly, if not for "this great mastermind" there would not have been any Rolling Stones. No one will ever accuse Brian of being a songwriter. And if he didn't fall apart at the seams he would have contributed a lot more and made the stones even better than they were so lighten up on the guy.

Maybe I wasn't that clear, but listen up: I am a great admire of Brian Jones. I am sure he could compose, which is why his musical skills in the Stones were so important. But he didn't write the song. He added musical textures to them and made them even better. There is a difference. I love his contributions to the records, no doubt.
Regarding the soundtrack, does people really enjoy it? If it wasn't Brian's name on it, wouldn't people be less than overstatic? Compared to what he did with The Stones, the soundtrack is poor.
The term "The Great Mastermind" was a provocation. There are people who believe that The Stones were nothing without him. Well, now they have played 45 years without him and arguebly made their best records when he was out of the band. Those people who swear to Jones and nothing else are idolising him and are taking his persona out of the musical context.

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I should have kept my mouth shut until I had the cassette!