While listening to the U.S. edition of Aftermath, I *finally* reached the last track, the jam session(?), 'Going Home'. It really seems like it may have been the roots of MR, with all the harmonica notes intertwined with the guitars...Not 100%, let alone 45%, the planning of MR, but to me it seems that in parts it becomes vaguely similar...
A very unique milestone in the Stones' mid-60's catalog in my opinion...

Going Home was 9 minutes? I am guessing. Have not heard it in ages. I see some similarity in length and w Micks harmonica.

I like both songs but see no similarities at all, other than the length, in that they're each beyond the 2 and a half minute radio-play-friendly length of the time.

Ive always said Waiting on a friend came from Time waits for no one...musically.

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Ive always said Waiting on a friend came from Time waits for no one...musically.

It was recorded and written before Time Waits For No One, so that´s impossible

While Going Home is the perfect studio take which could only lose
in a live version, Rambler ist the perfect song which is just a sketch
in the studio version and blooming in a different way every time they
play it live. THE perfect song to prove you are the best R&R band out there.

OK, then switch them around ....I don't care which came first, they remind me of each other....hows that ? better?

But you meant written and recorded before....not recorded and written... right?



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Going Home was 9 minutes? I am guessing. Have not heard it in ages. I see some similarity in length and w Micks harmonica.

Brian plays harmonica on Going Home.

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OK, then switch them around ....I don't care which came first, they remind me of each other....hows that ? better?

But you meant written and recorded before....not recorded and written... right?

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you find similar with them, the mood?

I see no similarities. Just because they both happen to be the "long" songs in Stones canon, doea that mean they are si milar?

If there is a similarity it´s gotta be the the creepy atmosphere, mainly created by the guitars, imo.

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Out of curiosity, what exactly do you find similar with them, the mood?

Maybe because both songs take up the tempo after 2 or 3 minutes.

Yeah, that and the guitar sound/interplay with the harp.

Compare "Midnight Rambler" - "The Bodoir Stomp" That's similar
Greetings Raluca

Both are long blues jams, or have that as a peculiar feature in them, played by traditional blues instruments, even though "Rambler" has a prethought structure, while "Goin' Home" goes just ex tempore by instinct. Actually the formal nature of "Goin' Home", or how it emerged, is more similar to "Can't You Hear Me Knocking?".

Anyway, I think it was natural for a band which once recorded and released "Goin' Home" to come up with later with pieces like "Rambler" and "Knocking". The seeds are there. But then again, the evolution of ideas might not only be independent. Things like "The End" might have inspired "Rambler" and "Layla" do the same for "Knocking", etc.

- Doxa



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Going Home was 9 minutes? I am guessing.

11 minutes

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Compare "Midnight Rambler" - "The Bodoir Stomp" That's similar
Greetings Raluca

This!

Midnight Rambler almost can remind me of Stray Cat Blues, at least the ambience is similar even if SCB is a 4 minute plus long song.

Only for Dandelion.

Jamming with Edwards:

"The Bodoir Stomp"
and "Edward's Thrump Up"

And yes, they wanted to produce a Stones version of the Doors rock opera (When the musics over, Five to one) on Gimme Shelter and Midnight Rambler.

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Only for Dandelion.

Jamming with Edwards:

"The Bodoir Stomp"
and "Edward's Thrump Up"

Always great to hear, thanks! Recorded a month after MR, though

I'm goin' home, I'm goin' home
I'm goin' home, I'm goin' home
I'm goin' home, bome, bome, bome-bome-bome,
Home, bome, bome, bome, back home

I'm gonna smash down all your plate glass windows

I'm goin' home, I'm goin' home
I'm goin' home, I'm goin' home
I'm goin' home, bome, bome, bome-bome-bome,
Home, bome, bome, bome, back home

Put a fist, put a fist through your steel-plated door

All those letters ev'ry day
Maybe alright in their way
But I'd love to see your face
When I get home in their place

I'll stick my knife right down your throat, baby
And it hurts!

I hope stonehearted never gets home...

- Doxa

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Both are long blues jams, or have that as a peculiar feature in them, played by traditional blues instruments, even though "Rambler" has a prethought structure, while "Goin' Home" goes just ex tempore by instinct. Actually the formal nature of "Goin' Home", or how it emerged, is more similar to "Can't You Hear Me Knocking?".

Anyway, I think it was natural for a band which once recorded and released "Goin' Home" to come up with later with pieces like "Rambler" and "Knocking". The seeds are there. But then again, the evolution of ideas might not only be independent. Things like "The End" might have inspired "Rambler" and "Layla" do the same for "Knocking", etc.

- Doxa

Exactly that

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Only for Dandelion.

Jamming with Edwards:

"The Bodoir Stomp"
and "Edward's Thrump Up"

Always great to hear, thanks! Recorded a month after MR, though

nope no info on when exactly mr was recorded and finished, and of course it is most likely the other way around.

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Redhotcarpet
Only for Dandelion.

Jamming with Edwards:

"The Bodoir Stomp"
and "Edward's Thrump Up"

Always great to hear, thanks! Recorded a month after MR, though

nope no info on when exactly mr was recorded and finished, and of course it is most likely the other way around.

BS and ETU: Recorded a month after MR (Recorded 23 April 1969, Olympic Studio, London, United Kingdom)

MR: Recording date: February-March & overdubs October-November 1969

Mick on MR: "That's a song Keith and I really wrote together. We were on a holiday in Italy. In this very beautiful hill town, Positano, for a few nights. Why we should write such a dark song in this beautiful, sunny place, I really don't know. We wrote everything there - the tempo changes, everything. And I'm playing the harmonica in these little cafés, and there's Keith with the guitar."
- Mick Jagger, 1995

Maybe they wrote it as a ballad, and saw the light after Mick jammed with Ry?



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There is no specific info on how and when Rambler was written, constructed and recorded. There are many dates floating around. Fact is that Cooder played with the band on different occasions, was recorded by Keith, Keith could t stand Cooder, and some of the jams, like the two I posted, sound very much like Rambler without actually being Rambler. My guess is that these jams are some of the jamsessions Ry felt ripped off on. Fact is that we dont know very much at all about how many of their songs were recorded in 60s and 70s.

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BS and ETU: Recorded a month after MR (Recorded 23 April 1969, Olympic Studio, London, United Kingdom)

MR: Recording date: February-March & overdubs October-November 1969

Mick on MR: "That's a song Keith and I really wrote together. We were on a holiday in Italy. In this very beautiful hill town, Positano, for a few nights. Why we should write such a dark song in this beautiful, sunny place, I really don't know. We wrote everything there - the tempo changes, everything. And I'm playing the harmonica in these little cafés, and there's Keith with the guitar."
- Mick Jagger, 1995

Their trip to Italy didn't happen until a break in recording during April.

The true recording dates for MR aren't really known, those earlier dates are probably more like speculative dates.



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There is no specific info on how and when Rambler was written, constructed and recorded. There are many dates floating around. Fact is that Cooder played with the band on different occasions, was recorded by Keith, Keith could t stand Cooder, and some of the jams, like the two I posted, sound very much like Rambler without actually being Rambler. My guess is that these jams are some of the jamsessions Ry felt ripped off on. Fact is that we dont know very much at all about how many of their songs were recorded in 60s and 70s.

Cooder played and recorded with them from sometime in March through to some time in April 1969.

Yes it was def. not recorded in February or March, possibly April. Overdubs could mean anything btw. The song existed in July 1969 anyhow.

The trip to Italy was later on yes, Mick is probably thinking of their trip to South america when they wrote Country Honk, which also makes sense, it's a song youd write on acoustic.

Rambler is of course a completely different song, it's a jam if anything, with lyrics and chords (B-A-E) based around that Edwards Jam.