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I saw the ALOHA FROM HAWAII concert when it first aired on TV. I think I was 7 or 8.
Well unfortunately 'Prince' is already taken. I think we should just make do with 'The King'.
He did? They were still playing with him as late as 1968, aside from Bill Black, who had died a couple of years earlier.
You might wanna watch the 1968 NBC TV special. Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana are right there beside him.
As for dumping original band members...uh...Ian Stewart ring any bells?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-28 04:30 by Gazza.
Well, technically a tomato is a fruit. Doesn't make it my favourite fruit though.
hahahah! Cheers mate!
[thepowergoats.com]
Slew- I LOVE that '68 special. And you are right, that was Elvis at the top of his game. I love the segments on the small stage where Elvis is doing his stripped down set clothed in that black leather outfit. Great stuff.
I believe that it was really a one off reunion for the 68 TV special. I remember reading it in the Peter Guralnick bio, that they met after many years and that Elvis was really enthusiastic (as he was about the whole Comeback Special) and spoke with Scotty in the manner that they had to work togehter again, but nothing ever came out of it.
And to the rob51 post...really don't know what to say...at least this - I seriously doubt that Elvis ever dumped anyone. Coloner Parker always did that. He even decided who was allowed at Elvis' wedding, which infamously caused great deal of disillusionment among Elvis' closest friends, when none of them were allowed to attend.
Thanks dmay for sharing your experience. Nice and interesting story.
I was born some 4 months after Elvis died, so I have never seen him of course, but what you describe is exactly what one feels from watching the DVDs that are available.
The 68 Elvis is just great (I mean the live footage, thanks God they released those 4 concerts in full. Eventhough the arrangements of the songs for the stand-up shows are really lame). That's The Way It Is from 1970 shows Elvis being still really enthusiastic about what he does, I don't really mind the "Vegas" element there. Elvis on Tour from 72 means a big decline already. Aloha from 77...well, he was absolutely bored and clearly devastated by what he "had"to do. There are rare moments when there is a spark in his eyes, but they always last for like half a second. He sings great on those two concerts, no doubt. They are perfect from that point of view, but it is sad to SEE him. And then there are those concerts that were filmed for the 1977 CBS TV Special. And those are really sad. Beyond sad. Seeing Elvis loosing his voice is something I wish I have never seen
It is so sad to see that someone who you think had or could have everything in the world, who had the biggest talent and could do whatever he wanted to do was so unhappy an dissatisfied for, well, most of his adult life - those 8 or so Hollywood years were no doubt a constant disappointment for him and the return to live performing brought back the joy for only a very short period of time.
...so was Elvis
This is the track listing for Elvis The King. which went #1 in UK in '07:
"Suspicious Minds"
"Blue Suede Shoes"
"Jailhouse Rock"
"Love Me Tender"
"Don't Be Cruel"
"King Creole"
"Hard Headed Woman"
"All Shook Up"
"Hound Dog"
"Too Much"
"Heartbreak Hotel"
"(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear"
"Good Rockin' Tonight"
"That's All Right"
"One Night"
"(Now and Then There's) A Fool Such as I"
"A Big Hunk o' Love"
"Wear My Ring Around Your Neck"
"Crying in the Chapel"
"Stuck on You"
"Kentucky Rain"
"Viva Las Vegas"
"Devil in Disguise"
"Guitar Man"
"A Little Less Conversation"
Disc 2:
"Mystery Train"
"Love Me"
"In the Ghetto"
"Burning Love"
"Always on My Mind"
"The Wonder of You"
"I Just Can’t Help Believin’"
"I Want To Be Free"
"You Don’t Have to Say You Love Me"
"An American Trilogy"
"Are You Lonesome Tonight"
"Can’t Help Falling in Love"
"Rock A Hula Baby"
"Return to Sender"
"Don’t"
"(Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame"
"Good Luck Charm"
"Surrender"
"She’s Not You"
"A Mess of Blues"
"It’s Now or Never"
"Fever"
"Moody Blue"
"Way Down"
"My Way"
"If I Can Dream"
Every song Elvis ever sang he might as well have written as far as I'm concerned.
If you have a guy who has a huge album seller that is called Elvis' 50 World Wide Golden Hits and it's only Volume 1!! it'd be good to let that sink in...
I could make another track list that long with dozens of other songs...
he had that white jump suit first too haha...
oh i love The Stones but here's another impossible comparison.
As an American Stones fan and a fan of very many other UK groups and Van Morrison too...i mean even Little Richard calls Elvis the King and he KNOWS he got there first in his own way; so much that the big E was all over Richard's songs on those first RCA LPs....but Elvis is the once and future King of Rock and Roll. It goes beyond color, and E was very honest very early on about blacks doing this kind of music for a long time before he got there and did it his own way...
...E's various heartaches, tragedies and weird management, and all the death dealing isolation of that kind of unheard of fame just as all electronic media was being born and proliferating, securing the impact forever and broadcasting to millions and millions...i mean Elvis is the Once and Future King of rock and roll. Between Graceland tours, record and other merch sales he's still a top earner year after year; He's probably made more money since he's gone in '77. A day that will always take my breath away when I remember how I got the news and where I was...
(interesting piece I came across recently) : a very fascinating thought provoking original piece I am really learning from and enjoying...and hope someone here will kind of relate to some of it...written by Sheila OMalley who I had not heard of before reading this.
Lester Bangs: “The Only Credible Explanation is That Elvis Was From Another Planet.”
[www.sheilaomalley.com]
"...(There’s that great anecdote about Elvis being asked, early on, why he didn’t walk away from his movie contract and go back to live performing. Elvis was 24, 25 when he was asked that question, and all he said in response was, “‘Spect you’ve never been poor.”)
...but so much more than that, this woman is a hell of a writer...
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Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
stonesrule
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Date: March 27, 2014 18:58
Assume everyone posting here has seen the Stones live in concert?
How many of you also were in the audience for an Elvis show?
How many of you also were in the audience for an Elvis show?
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
BluzDude
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Date: March 27, 2014 19:55
According to setlist.fm, this was the setlist the night I saw Elvis. 20 songs in about an hour performance, very fast paced
1.That's All Right Play Video
(Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup cover)
2.Proud Mary Play Video
(Creedence Clearwater Revival cover)
3.Jailhouse Rock Play Video
4.Love Me Tender Play Video
5.You Don't Have to Say You Love Me Play Video
(Pino Donaggio cover)
6.You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' Play Video
(The Righteous Brothers cover)
7.Polk Salad Annie Play Video
(Tony Joe White cover)
8.Johnny B. Goode Play Video
(Chuck Berry cover)
9.Love Me Play Video
(Willy and Ruth cover)
10.Heartbreak Hotel Play Video
11.(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear Play Video
12.Don't Be Cruel Play Video
13.One Night Play Video
(Smiley Lewis cover)
14.Hound Dog Play Video
(Big Mama Thornton cover)
15.Suspicious Minds Play Video
(Mark James cover)
16.The Impossible Dream Play Video
(Richard Kiley cover)
17.Lawdy Miss Clawdy Play Video
(Lloyd Price cover)
18.Sweet Caroline Play Video
(Neil Diamond cover)
19.Bridge Over Troubled Water Play Video
(Simon & Garfunkel cover)
20.Can't Help Falling in Love Play Video
21.Closing Vamp Play Video
Elvis and Mick - both great performers
1.That's All Right Play Video
(Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup cover)
2.Proud Mary Play Video
(Creedence Clearwater Revival cover)
3.Jailhouse Rock Play Video
4.Love Me Tender Play Video
5.You Don't Have to Say You Love Me Play Video
(Pino Donaggio cover)
6.You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' Play Video
(The Righteous Brothers cover)
7.Polk Salad Annie Play Video
(Tony Joe White cover)
8.Johnny B. Goode Play Video
(Chuck Berry cover)
9.Love Me Play Video
(Willy and Ruth cover)
10.Heartbreak Hotel Play Video
11.(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear Play Video
12.Don't Be Cruel Play Video
13.One Night Play Video
(Smiley Lewis cover)
14.Hound Dog Play Video
(Big Mama Thornton cover)
15.Suspicious Minds Play Video
(Mark James cover)
16.The Impossible Dream Play Video
(Richard Kiley cover)
17.Lawdy Miss Clawdy Play Video
(Lloyd Price cover)
18.Sweet Caroline Play Video
(Neil Diamond cover)
19.Bridge Over Troubled Water Play Video
(Simon & Garfunkel cover)
20.Can't Help Falling in Love Play Video
21.Closing Vamp Play Video
Elvis and Mick - both great performers
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
sanQ
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Date: March 27, 2014 20:34
I've seen some footage of Elvis on youtube. In some of them, you're practically blinded the minute he comes out because of all the flashbulbs going off.
I've only seen the Stones and that of course, was incredible!! Mick is a miracle to be doing what he does still. The best two concerts I have ever seen out of many many concerts.
I've only seen the Stones and that of course, was incredible!! Mick is a miracle to be doing what he does still. The best two concerts I have ever seen out of many many concerts.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: March 28, 2014 02:02
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stonesrule
Assume everyone posting here has seen the Stones live in concert?
How many of you also were in the audience for an Elvis show?
I saw the ALOHA FROM HAWAII concert when it first aired on TV. I think I was 7 or 8.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
rob51
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Date: March 28, 2014 02:27
Agree perfectly and I've always felt Elvis was way too over rated. Especially after he made it and immediately dumped his original band, the typical overnight sensation type of move. That band was the only time of his career he was rocknroll anything and calling him the king is just plain ridiculous.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: March 28, 2014 02:30
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rob51
Agree perfectly and I've always felt Elvis was way too over rated. Especially after he made it and immediately dumped his original band, the typical overnight sensation type of move. That band was the only time of his career he was rocknroll anything and calling him the king is just plain ridiculous.
Well unfortunately 'Prince' is already taken. I think we should just make do with 'The King'.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: March 28, 2014 04:28
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rob51
Agree perfectly and I've always felt Elvis was way too over rated. Especially after he made it and immediately dumped his original band, the typical overnight sensation type of move. That band was the only time of his career he was rocknroll anything and calling him the king is just plain ridiculous.
He did? They were still playing with him as late as 1968, aside from Bill Black, who had died a couple of years earlier.
You might wanna watch the 1968 NBC TV special. Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana are right there beside him.
As for dumping original band members...uh...Ian Stewart ring any bells?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-28 04:30 by Gazza.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
doubledoor
()
Date: March 28, 2014 06:37
Elvis was the first Rock n Roll superstar. Only one can be the first, and it was him.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: March 28, 2014 17:08
technically I say Elvis is the better singer of the two. They are such different performers though. I wouldn't compare them.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-28 17:08 by ryanpow.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: March 28, 2014 22:19
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ryanpow
technically I say Elvis is the better singer of the two. They are such different performers though. I wouldn't compare them.
Well, technically a tomato is a fruit. Doesn't make it my favourite fruit though.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
Pietro
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Date: March 28, 2014 22:40
A friend of mine, an American, was in London when Elvis died. Walking down the street, he saw a headline on a newspaper: THE KING IS DEAD.
He thought, "That makes sense. They have kings in this country." Then he remembered that the current monarch was a queen, not a king.
He hurried back to the newsstand and learned that Elvis Presley had died.
Speaking for all Americans, I can truly say that ELVIS IS THE KING. You old worlders can have your monarchs, potentates, and princes. We have THE KING and his name was Elvis, and he ruled and will always rule the rock and roll kingdom.
Jagger is a wonderful foreign ambassador from abroad. I personally love his rock and roll band. I think his band is the best ever. But he can never be THE KING.
He thought, "That makes sense. They have kings in this country." Then he remembered that the current monarch was a queen, not a king.
He hurried back to the newsstand and learned that Elvis Presley had died.
Speaking for all Americans, I can truly say that ELVIS IS THE KING. You old worlders can have your monarchs, potentates, and princes. We have THE KING and his name was Elvis, and he ruled and will always rule the rock and roll kingdom.
Jagger is a wonderful foreign ambassador from abroad. I personally love his rock and roll band. I think his band is the best ever. But he can never be THE KING.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
mr_dja
()
Date: March 28, 2014 22:43
If I had to guess, I'd bet that Mick Jagger has spent more time wishing that he was "like Elvis" than Elvis ever spent wishing he was "like Mick".
No doubt in my mind that people like Mick, Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson & Prince would all make it onto a very short list of "Greatest Ever" performers but, at the end of the day, Elvis would still be The King.
The one area where I think people like Mick, Plant, Freddie, Michael & Prince have a bit of an "advantage" (? not sure if that's the right word) over Elvis is in the "To Thine Own Self Be True" category. In hindsight, I think Elvis listened to and allowed his "handlers" to make to many decisions on his behalf. Sometimes I wonder what Elvis' legacy would have been if he trusted his own "gut" more than he trusted Colonel Parker. In my mind, when Elvis was simply Elvis Presley he was a whole lot "better" than when he was simply playing the roll of "Elvis" in yet another Colonel Parker scheme.
Peace,
Mr DJA
No doubt in my mind that people like Mick, Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson & Prince would all make it onto a very short list of "Greatest Ever" performers but, at the end of the day, Elvis would still be The King.
The one area where I think people like Mick, Plant, Freddie, Michael & Prince have a bit of an "advantage" (? not sure if that's the right word) over Elvis is in the "To Thine Own Self Be True" category. In hindsight, I think Elvis listened to and allowed his "handlers" to make to many decisions on his behalf. Sometimes I wonder what Elvis' legacy would have been if he trusted his own "gut" more than he trusted Colonel Parker. In my mind, when Elvis was simply Elvis Presley he was a whole lot "better" than when he was simply playing the roll of "Elvis" in yet another Colonel Parker scheme.
Peace,
Mr DJA
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
dmay
()
Date: March 29, 2014 00:12
Re the last comment on "What if..." about Elvis and his career, remember, Elvis spent his last years drugged out. He was used to make money for other folks, especially Parker, who was up to his eyeballs in debt to the Vegas casinos for gambling debts. As a manager, Parker was good at the beginning of Presley's career, but later was a joke in terms of protecting his client.
Elvis ended up playing smaller venues in smaller towns on national tours in the U.S., because his market share was dwindling. He still did Vegas at times during the year, but Parker kept him on the road as much as possible, not caring how his client performed because Parker knew the Elvis name would sell tickets. Alas, in an aside, there are many 1960s performers out there today doing the same thing.
In closing, here's a little taste of the younger Elvis. Enjoy.
[www.youtube.com]
And, what the hell, here's another taste of Elvis:
And, in equal time for Mick and the boys:
Elvis ended up playing smaller venues in smaller towns on national tours in the U.S., because his market share was dwindling. He still did Vegas at times during the year, but Parker kept him on the road as much as possible, not caring how his client performed because Parker knew the Elvis name would sell tickets. Alas, in an aside, there are many 1960s performers out there today doing the same thing.
In closing, here's a little taste of the younger Elvis. Enjoy.
[www.youtube.com]
And, what the hell, here's another taste of Elvis:
And, in equal time for Mick and the boys:
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
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Date: March 31, 2014 01:32
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MunichhiltonQuote
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nightskyman
Another Apples and Pears comparison. Two different eras. Elvis certainly may have dominated the late 50s.
Jagger and the Stones came into their own during the course of the 1960s and especially during the 1970s. Nowadays, they're raking it in (including the dough). Where's Elvis compared there?
I have to agree, not even comparable. But as for legend status, worship, etc. Mick doesn't come CLOSE to Elvis. THe Stones will always be a footnote to The Beatles as far as the laws of the Rock and Roll Cosmos go. THe Stones only win out by still being alive and being an un-dead cash cow.
Do you work at coming up with great band names in each post? Or does that just come naturally?
hahahah! Cheers mate!
[thepowergoats.com]
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
Sighunt
()
Date: March 31, 2014 02:18
Another true story out of the Sighunt playbook: I saw Elvis Presley a few months before his death in 1977. He brought his Las Vegas act to my hometown of Rochester, NY. This was the strangest concert I ever went to. At that time in my life, I wore my hair down to my shoulders (all frizzy and curly with denim jeans and jacket) and I probably looked like Roger Daltrey. I get inside the auditorium, and all the guys in the building somehow look like Elvis with black jet hair, long sideburns, and leisure suits! I was terribly out of place. The lights go down and the show starts, and all these old ladies start rushing the stage screaming Elvis's name and try to touch him like he is Jesus Christ almighty. The middle age lady sitting next to me (who up to this point was calm and reserved) actually pissed her pants when Elvis walked out. By this time, I am transfixed because I was expecting a different Elvis than the guy who was that stage. Sadly, this guy was drastically overweight and was slurring the words to many of his songs. There was even a moment near the end of the concert when his roadie brought out the words to the song "MY Way" 'cause Elvis couldn't remember the lyrics-and then he puts on his glasses so he can read the words on the piece of paper (this is true). Other than that, from what I remember, there were moments of greatness. Whatever can be said about Elvis- the guy could sing! He could do anything with his voice. That night in my hometown, he tackled gospel, country, rock and roll, etc and re-affirmed for me that he was a true legend. Long live the King!
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: March 31, 2014 05:07
I just watched Elvis's 1968comeback special. I had not watched that in years. That is Elvis at the top of his game. What a performance and the parts where he is seated with the guitar with Scotty and DJ is the best part of the show along with a stunning performance of If I can Dream to close out the show. Mick is also a great performer but its hard to compare him to Elvis. They had a much different style of performing. If Elvis could have stayed on this path rather than the rhinestones and glitz. Its a shame what happened to him and he trusted the Colonel too much. That's All Right and One Night really prove that Elvis could play the guitar.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
Sighunt
()
Date: March 31, 2014 05:18
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slew
I just watched Elvis's 1968comeback special. I had not watched that in years. That is Elvis at the top of his game. What a performance and the parts where he is seated with the guitar with Scotty and DJ is the best part of the show along with a stunning performance of If I can Dream to close out the show. Mick is also a great performer but its hard to compare him to Elvis. They had a much different style of performing. If Elvis could have stayed on this path rather than the rhinestones and glitz. Its a shame what happened to him and he trusted the Colonel too much. That's All Right and One Night really prove that Elvis could play the guitar.
Slew- I LOVE that '68 special. And you are right, that was Elvis at the top of his game. I love the segments on the small stage where Elvis is doing his stripped down set clothed in that black leather outfit. Great stuff.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
dmay
()
Date: April 1, 2014 06:00
I saw Elvis just after the '68 comeback in Oklahoma City. He was still lean and mean, so to speak. I was in the service and persuaded some friends of mine to go see Elvis. We were blown away. Not necessarily by Elvis, who, like the Beatles during their first tour of America, couldn't be heard over the girls screams, but by the women in the audience (and they were probably 90 per cent of the audience) who screamed and moaned at seeing Elvis. It was like being inside of the biggest orgasm in the world. These ladies were somewhere beyond. The heat level in the autitorium was extraordinary. Thinking back on it, I am sure every woman at the show left there damp, if y'all know what I mean.
A few years later I saw Elvis in Baltimore and a couple of years later at the Cap Centre near Washington, D.C. What a bizarre time. Both shows, though a few years apart, opened with some Las Vegas comedian on stage trying to get laughs out of the audience. Then, there was a msuical interlude. Then, there were the backup singers for Elvis doing a bit. The, silence. The overhead monitors were subsequently switched off and a voice came out of the dark saying ELvis was about to take the stage. He appeared to "Also Zach Zaprustra" or whatever the hell that song title is and was this apparition on the stage. I am sure the folks who had seats near the stage got to see him. The rest of us were left with this distant figure on a stage going through what I can only call the Elvis ritual - leg splits, karate moves, scraves to the audience, etc. Then, one hour exactly after he appeared, Elvis was gone. No encore, no nothing. The music was lame, the songs pretty average - a lot of covers - and that famous announcement, "Elvis has left the building". The concerts had been billed as "An Hour With Elvis" and that's exactly what we got. Talk about your major disappointments.
My lady friend of the time, my date for the Baltimore show, told me she just didn't get it. She couldn't figure out the fascination with Elvis; he did nada for her. Considering this same woman told me a few months earlier that she came three times getting off on Rod Stewart at a show of his in Baltimore we attended, ummm, how far had the King fallen since those '68 comeback days? Alas, I feel what she felt regarding Elvis when I look at the Stones these days and what they play. Something just ain't there anymore, at least for me.
A few years later I saw Elvis in Baltimore and a couple of years later at the Cap Centre near Washington, D.C. What a bizarre time. Both shows, though a few years apart, opened with some Las Vegas comedian on stage trying to get laughs out of the audience. Then, there was a msuical interlude. Then, there were the backup singers for Elvis doing a bit. The, silence. The overhead monitors were subsequently switched off and a voice came out of the dark saying ELvis was about to take the stage. He appeared to "Also Zach Zaprustra" or whatever the hell that song title is and was this apparition on the stage. I am sure the folks who had seats near the stage got to see him. The rest of us were left with this distant figure on a stage going through what I can only call the Elvis ritual - leg splits, karate moves, scraves to the audience, etc. Then, one hour exactly after he appeared, Elvis was gone. No encore, no nothing. The music was lame, the songs pretty average - a lot of covers - and that famous announcement, "Elvis has left the building". The concerts had been billed as "An Hour With Elvis" and that's exactly what we got. Talk about your major disappointments.
My lady friend of the time, my date for the Baltimore show, told me she just didn't get it. She couldn't figure out the fascination with Elvis; he did nada for her. Considering this same woman told me a few months earlier that she came three times getting off on Rod Stewart at a show of his in Baltimore we attended, ummm, how far had the King fallen since those '68 comeback days? Alas, I feel what she felt regarding Elvis when I look at the Stones these days and what they play. Something just ain't there anymore, at least for me.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
Happy24
()
Date: April 1, 2014 09:14
Quote
GazzaQuote
rob51
Agree perfectly and I've always felt Elvis was way too over rated. Especially after he made it and immediately dumped his original band, the typical overnight sensation type of move. That band was the only time of his career he was rocknroll anything and calling him the king is just plain ridiculous.
He did? They were still playing with him as late as 1968, aside from Bill Black, who had died a couple of years earlier.
You might wanna watch the 1968 NBC TV special. Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana are right there beside him.
As for dumping original band members...uh...Ian Stewart ring any bells?
I believe that it was really a one off reunion for the 68 TV special. I remember reading it in the Peter Guralnick bio, that they met after many years and that Elvis was really enthusiastic (as he was about the whole Comeback Special) and spoke with Scotty in the manner that they had to work togehter again, but nothing ever came out of it.
And to the rob51 post...really don't know what to say...at least this - I seriously doubt that Elvis ever dumped anyone. Coloner Parker always did that. He even decided who was allowed at Elvis' wedding, which infamously caused great deal of disillusionment among Elvis' closest friends, when none of them were allowed to attend.
Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
Posted by:
Happy24
()
Date: April 1, 2014 09:49
Quote
dmay
I saw Elvis just after the '68 comeback in Oklahoma City...
Thanks dmay for sharing your experience. Nice and interesting story.
I was born some 4 months after Elvis died, so I have never seen him of course, but what you describe is exactly what one feels from watching the DVDs that are available.
The 68 Elvis is just great (I mean the live footage, thanks God they released those 4 concerts in full. Eventhough the arrangements of the songs for the stand-up shows are really lame). That's The Way It Is from 1970 shows Elvis being still really enthusiastic about what he does, I don't really mind the "Vegas" element there. Elvis on Tour from 72 means a big decline already. Aloha from 77...well, he was absolutely bored and clearly devastated by what he "had"to do. There are rare moments when there is a spark in his eyes, but they always last for like half a second. He sings great on those two concerts, no doubt. They are perfect from that point of view, but it is sad to SEE him. And then there are those concerts that were filmed for the 1977 CBS TV Special. And those are really sad. Beyond sad. Seeing Elvis loosing his voice is something I wish I have never seen
It is so sad to see that someone who you think had or could have everything in the world, who had the biggest talent and could do whatever he wanted to do was so unhappy an dissatisfied for, well, most of his adult life - those 8 or so Hollywood years were no doubt a constant disappointment for him and the return to live performing brought back the joy for only a very short period of time.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
andrea66
()
Date: April 1, 2014 18:26
Elvis can be the king, but i am very happy that the stones and mick at their age are not sad , pathetic and tragical like elvis in his last years. I am not american so i think i cannot fully understand elvis character, but i always liked most jerry Lee lewis and little richard. And I am proudly 'republican', i don't like kings, forgive me
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
BluzDude
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Date: April 1, 2014 18:30
Quote
andrea66
Elvis can be the king, but i am very happy that the stones and mick at their age are not sad , pathetic and tragical like elvis in his last years. I am not american so i think i cannot fully understand elvis character, but i always liked most jerry Lee lewis and little richard. And I am proudly 'republican', i don't like kings, forgive me
...so was Elvis
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: March 19, 2017 15:25
"Most of the musicians that I have met have nothing but praise for Elvis, but there is one exception : Mick Jagger.
One week after I had photographed Elvis in Las Vegas, I was backstage together with the Rolling Stones in Manchester. I told them that I had just seen Elvis on stage in Las Vegas, and I said that he was one of the greatest performers that I had ever seen. The other bandmembers were really interested in hearing my stories, but Jagger gave me that arrogant look and said: "I don't want to end up in Vegas" - Laurens Van Houten
[www.elvisnews.com]
One week after I had photographed Elvis in Las Vegas, I was backstage together with the Rolling Stones in Manchester. I told them that I had just seen Elvis on stage in Las Vegas, and I said that he was one of the greatest performers that I had ever seen. The other bandmembers were really interested in hearing my stories, but Jagger gave me that arrogant look and said: "I don't want to end up in Vegas" - Laurens Van Houten
[www.elvisnews.com]
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
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Date: March 19, 2017 16:10
Hahahaha...vegas!!! Go The Stones!
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
alexisjagger
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Date: March 19, 2017 17:43
Well I am from Latin America, specially Mexico.
For me Mick is the greatest frontman ever. But I think that at least in Mexico Elvis is more popular.
For me Mick is the greatest frontman ever. But I think that at least in Mexico Elvis is more popular.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
wonderboy
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Date: March 19, 2017 17:49
Great post, Justin!
I think we as Stones fans often overrate Jagger. The closest comp I can think of would be somebody like Bowie, except Bowie had more more influence and clout in the broader culture. Mick is a great frontman and a better songwriter than most people realize, but flopped as a solo act and in the movies.
I think we as Stones fans often overrate Jagger. The closest comp I can think of would be somebody like Bowie, except Bowie had more more influence and clout in the broader culture. Mick is a great frontman and a better songwriter than most people realize, but flopped as a solo act and in the movies.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
stone4ever
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Date: March 19, 2017 17:55
Mick can't sing anywhere near as good but I go with Mick as the best for his song writing abilities.
Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
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stanlove
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Date: March 19, 2017 17:59
How do compare these two? Both at the top. I do consider Jagger more talented. Not sure how anyone can ignore the fact that Elvis couldn't write songs.
As for Sinatra which someone brought up, I consider people like him and Martin to be just lucky. There were 1000s of good singers who couldn't write songs around and guys like that were just the ones who were discovered. I am positive there were people who were better singers and more talented who were just never discovered.
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As for Sinatra which someone brought up, I consider people like him and Martin to be just lucky. There were 1000s of good singers who couldn't write songs around and guys like that were just the ones who were discovered. I am positive there were people who were better singers and more talented who were just never discovered.
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Re: Elvis Presley vs Mick Jagger
Posted by:
virgil
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Date: March 20, 2017 00:09
I always found it quite odd that these two Icons never met.
Also odd: Besides a few dates in Canada in the fifties , Elvis never played outside of the United States.
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Also odd: Besides a few dates in Canada in the fifties , Elvis never played outside of the United States.
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Re: To American Stones fans, how do you feel about....?
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hopkins
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Date: March 20, 2017 00:44
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Justin
I can't say I'm surprised by most of the comments here because most of these comments reek of typical "classic rock" mentality. In a genre comprised mainly of guitar heroes/gods, it's no surprise why Presley is generally misunderstood to most classic rock fans. The lack of songwriting, the crappy 60's movies, Vegas and whatever flimsy reasons to dismiss Presley are generally very weak that more often than not usually hide a personal dislike for Presley that one cannot admit. Whatever the reason, it displays a hugely irresponsible view on his impact on popular music and proves taht there is much room for education regarding Elvis Presley.
A popular notion that Presley was less "musical" than his peers is incorrect. Presley in essence produced all of his sessions himself. All those great songs we know and love? Yeah Presley arranged them. The music all came through the filter that was Presley's. The inspiration started with him and worked its way throughout the band. It was his guitar playing that served as foundation to Scotty Moore and Bill Black on what is considered the first rock and roll record ever: "That's All Right." His rhythm playing which was clearly based in country music, combined with his voice dripping of blues is the basic recipe for any rock and roll tune which is still being used today.
The cheap shot that Elvis never wrote a song is nothing but that: a cheap shot. "Hound Dog" was originally recorded by the great blues singer Big Mama Thornton but the song was written by two Jewish men from New York: Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller. Does that make Thornton's version any less great? The truth is by the time the song got to Elvis Presley---he had transformed the song into something that never existed before. He took a blues song and completely transformed it into a rock and roll song. Whether he wrote the song or not has become of a footnote to the bigger issue: he created something that no one had heard before.
One cannot also forget that the song that single-handedly brought our guy Keith Richards to rock and roll was Elvis Presley's "Heartbreak Hotel." It was Scotty Moore's guitar playing that influenced not only Keith Richards but Jimmy Page and a slew of other players from the period. It goes without saying that the effect Presley had on singers was immeasurable: from Robert Plant, Roger Daltrey to Elton John...the list is long. Musicians have gone on record to cite Presley's music as a huge influence on them.
Presley's influence was humongus. It was more than what you saw and what he sang or what he did/didn't play. It's how he made people feel. The essence of rock and roll however you want to call it: danger, fear, sex, anger...Elvis Presley pulled it right out of everyone during a period when no one knew they had it in them. His contribution to music extends into popular culture in a way that even the great Chuck Berry could not even reach. Bob Dylan said it best: "When I first heard Elvis' voice I just knew that I wasn't going to work for anybody; and nobody was going to be my boss. Hearing him for the first time was like busting out of jail." Chuck Berry's influence is tangible: it comes in the form of his songwriting and guitar work which laid the foundation to the "sound" of rock and roll. Elvis Presley's influence was much much larger.
This is the track listing for Elvis The King. which went #1 in UK in '07:
"Suspicious Minds"
"Blue Suede Shoes"
"Jailhouse Rock"
"Love Me Tender"
"Don't Be Cruel"
"King Creole"
"Hard Headed Woman"
"All Shook Up"
"Hound Dog"
"Too Much"
"Heartbreak Hotel"
"(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear"
"Good Rockin' Tonight"
"That's All Right"
"One Night"
"(Now and Then There's) A Fool Such as I"
"A Big Hunk o' Love"
"Wear My Ring Around Your Neck"
"Crying in the Chapel"
"Stuck on You"
"Kentucky Rain"
"Viva Las Vegas"
"Devil in Disguise"
"Guitar Man"
"A Little Less Conversation"
Disc 2:
"Mystery Train"
"Love Me"
"In the Ghetto"
"Burning Love"
"Always on My Mind"
"The Wonder of You"
"I Just Can’t Help Believin’"
"I Want To Be Free"
"You Don’t Have to Say You Love Me"
"An American Trilogy"
"Are You Lonesome Tonight"
"Can’t Help Falling in Love"
"Rock A Hula Baby"
"Return to Sender"
"Don’t"
"(Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame"
"Good Luck Charm"
"Surrender"
"She’s Not You"
"A Mess of Blues"
"It’s Now or Never"
"Fever"
"Moody Blue"
"Way Down"
"My Way"
"If I Can Dream"
Every song Elvis ever sang he might as well have written as far as I'm concerned.
If you have a guy who has a huge album seller that is called Elvis' 50 World Wide Golden Hits and it's only Volume 1!! it'd be good to let that sink in...
I could make another track list that long with dozens of other songs...
he had that white jump suit first too haha...
oh i love The Stones but here's another impossible comparison.
As an American Stones fan and a fan of very many other UK groups and Van Morrison too...i mean even Little Richard calls Elvis the King and he KNOWS he got there first in his own way; so much that the big E was all over Richard's songs on those first RCA LPs....but Elvis is the once and future King of Rock and Roll. It goes beyond color, and E was very honest very early on about blacks doing this kind of music for a long time before he got there and did it his own way...
...E's various heartaches, tragedies and weird management, and all the death dealing isolation of that kind of unheard of fame just as all electronic media was being born and proliferating, securing the impact forever and broadcasting to millions and millions...i mean Elvis is the Once and Future King of rock and roll. Between Graceland tours, record and other merch sales he's still a top earner year after year; He's probably made more money since he's gone in '77. A day that will always take my breath away when I remember how I got the news and where I was...
(interesting piece I came across recently) : a very fascinating thought provoking original piece I am really learning from and enjoying...and hope someone here will kind of relate to some of it...written by Sheila OMalley who I had not heard of before reading this.
Lester Bangs: “The Only Credible Explanation is That Elvis Was From Another Planet.”
[www.sheilaomalley.com]
"...(There’s that great anecdote about Elvis being asked, early on, why he didn’t walk away from his movie contract and go back to live performing. Elvis was 24, 25 when he was asked that question, and all he said in response was, “‘Spect you’ve never been poor.”)
...but so much more than that, this woman is a hell of a writer...
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