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I cannot believe what´s going on here:
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SETLIST.
THEN: ST IS LIVE ON STAGE.
BUT: THE COMPLAINERS HAVE A NEW PROBLEM - ST WAS´NT PLAYED LIKE THEY EXPECTED IT.
WHAT´S NEXT?
YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
YOU WILL NEVER STOP.
BUT ALL YOU ARE IS A SMAL MINORITY IN OUR BIG COMMUNITY WHICH KNOWS WHAT EVERY
SECOND STONES LIVE IS WORTH TODAY.
PERFECT OR HALF PERFECT.

CASCHIMANNIHORRIEXPESTOPLAINNECOMCOMARIBATURIENTEINAHALFATHEODORE!

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I suspect that Mick won't sing ST again. He sounds completely unrehearsed.

That's very surprising...

We hear the potential, but only fragments of the melody.

The guitar players, with their two slides-setup, could have done a lot of good stuff with this one, but they're not there yet, imo.

Only one solution: To try it again.

But Mick, seriously, the "money/honey"-rhythms - it's not rocket science...

"Completetly" sounds a bit hard, but definitely like he's not yet warm with the song, not absolutely confident. But I liked most of it, except for the parts, where he tries to sing higher towards the end and loses track. The problem is, he will probably never get warm with it, if they won't play it more regularily. And I'm not sure, they will do this. Maybe only if they put it in a new voting and it wins again. I see it's potential, too.

You definitely got my point.

When I say completely, I mean that he's out there on the key moments of the song.

I hope he tries it again.

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caschimann
I cannot believe what´s going on here:
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SETLIST.
THEN: ST IS LIVE ON STAGE.
BUT: THE COMPLAINERS HAVE A NEW PROBLEM - ST WAS´NT PLAYED LIKE THEY EXPECTED IT.
WHAT´S NEXT?
YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
YOU WILL NEVER STOP.
BUT ALL YOU ARE IS A SMAL MINORITY IN OUR BIG COMMUNITY WHICH KNOWS WHAT EVERY
SECOND STONES LIVE IS WORTH TODAY.
PERFECT OR HALF PERFECT.

Complaining should be about the reduction of songs and time for consert - down from 23 songs to 19 songs and 2:30 to 2:00 hour conserts. I wonder why they have reduced the length of the consert!!!

Look at what 70 year old Mick does during those two hours, and think again if more would be physically possible

Silver Train is very special to me too. I was going home on a North-bound train during doing my service in the (German) army then. I always had that song in my mind when leaving the station.

YOU COMPLAIN ABOT A 2!!!!!!!!! HOURS GIG???????????????????
Guess you haven´t seen them live on this tour yet!!!

I remember 1981. Sun Devil Stadium. I was a student then. I was just happy to be in the stadium and see the Stones.

I still think about that night. The girls. The beer. The cheap ticket compared to today and I saw the Stones.

I guess we now live in a world where everyone is an instant critic. Why don't enjoy living and what you do get from the Greatest band in history?

We didn't sit around talking about set lists and solos. We talked about the Stones and then got laid.

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We talked about the Stones and then got laid.

That still happens

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Still too many negative opinions being added from people who were not there themselves.

- To be there by oneself is not the decisive thing. It is perfectly possible to judge a show from the PC. People who do this, KNOW they would`ve been bored being there. They`ve problably heard just about the same row of songs attending a previous show.

My god how can you compare sitting in front of your computer to actually being there hearing it live? Even streaming or watching You Tube takes away from the actual experience of seeing and hearing it in person. Also talk about redundancy as we always get the same negative comments from the same people because the Stones are playing too many hits. That's what the show is and it's not a bad thing that they play about 17-18 of the greatest Rock&Roll songs ever written.

YES HANSIE: IT STILL HAPPENS.

Silver Train live? With Taylor? Hats off to them. Like a dream come true. Wouldn't have imagined this possible a couple of years ago!

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Silver Train live? With Taylor? Hats off to them. Like a dream come true. Wouldn't have imagined this possible a couple of years ago!

Exactly! Watching Taylor do CYHMK with them in Philadelphia last year was a dream come true.

What would you rather have, an exciting slightly under-rehearsed song we have not heard for 35 years (with Taylor!), or an overplayed warhorse we have heard a million times?(worse yet, a second-rate song like YGMR, which we've heard a million times). Give me Silver Train any day. Keith pushing the rhythm along and Mick T. and Ronnie on battling slides! Oh yeah, that's what the Stones could be for a whole show. But I'm not complaining, they tried it, and I hope they keep doing it. For my money it was great, but it can only get better.

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Silver Train live? With Taylor? Hats off to them. Like a dream come true. Wouldn't have imagined this possible a couple of years ago!

Exactly! Watching Taylor do CYHMK with them in Philadelphia last year was a dream come true.

+1 (For me it was in L.A.)

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wow that gs smokes

Yes, it was one of their better recent performances. Good energy. I liked Lisa's singing and think, Ronnie played something new? Or is he just louder than usually?

I suppose Gimme Shelter (video on p. 9) has no place in Silver Train Wonderland right now.



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What would you rather have, an exciting slightly under-rehearsed song we have not heard for 35 years (with Taylor!), or an overplayed warhorse we have heard a million times?(worse yet, a second-rate song like YGMR, which we've heard a million times). Give me Silver Train any day. Keith pushing the rhythm along and Mick T. and Ronnie on battling slides! Oh yeah, that's what the Stones could be for a whole show. But I'm not complaining, they tried it, and I hope they keep doing it. For my money it was great, but it can only get better.

See the comments about GS below. BUT I don't disagree. I hope they try ST, or an other obscure number again.

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I suspect that Mick won't sing ST again. He sounds completely unrehearsed.

That's very surprising...

We hear the potential, but only fragments of the melody.

The guitar players, with their two slides-setup, could have done a lot of good stuff with this one, but they're not there yet, imo.

Only one solution: To try it again.

But Mick, seriously, the "money/honey"-rhythms - it's not rocket science...

Were you there?


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Nay to those who say nay to the nay-sayers

I hope they try it again, but I don't have to be there to notice Mick's vocals. I'm glad you liked it, though.

You know what this means to all your sometimes even quite fanatic attacks on people who were just expressing their opinions based on videos when they were not happy with how (and/or what) they played...you practically denied them the right to an opinion with that repeated organ tune "were you there??"

You don't need to be glad all over with your when people like something about the Stones and you don't need to constantly attack people when they don't like something about their (not just your) favorite band.

You just need (it would do you good) to accept other people's opinions with the same attitude and from the same motivation you want others to accept your opinion "...don't have to be there to notice..."... and to believe, to hear, to think and to share that here.



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I guess we now live in a world where everyone is an instant critic.

Yup I cannot begin to imagine what kind of dirt the Stones would have gotten after the 1st show of the 72 tour if they had the Net back then :

"Oh dear, they sounded rusted tonight, they butchered the new songs from EOMS, Keith played that hooooorible Bronco guitar, and on top of it he had that dreadful stripped sweater.
My oh my they're too oldto rock! I was planning to go see them again in NYC at the end of July but blimey I'll sell my ticket and go see ELO instead. Now I'll drop a Quaalude to forget that dreadful show. Peace!"

Loser!



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I accept their opinions, I'm just expressing mine. Honestly, I'm glad you had a positive experience with ST, Dreamer.

There were many good things about this version. Surprisingly, Mick wasn't one of them, imho. Not taking anything away from the ones who think otherwise.

Let's do it again!

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I accept their opinions, I'm just expressing mine. Honestly, I'm glad you had a positive experience with ST, Dreamer.

There were many good things about this version. Surprisingly, Mick wasn't one of them, imho. Not taking anything away from the ones who think otherwise.

Let's do it again!

From now on you have to since you learned today "I don't have to be there to notice.."

I applaud the band for rolling out Silver Train.

It's a dud.

You have GOT to give MT room to breathe. It's not happening (or gonna happen) with RW and Chuck Leavell. You can see MT's body language, so conscious of being in "the band" as opposed to being in his unique spot as alpha lead during the Golden Age. The "big format" of the Stones > '89 prevents breathing room for MT in 2014.

Too many cooks in the kitchen, methinks.

MT never "meshed" in the Stones the way RW does. MT had his "spot", and that was good enough to take the band to their greatest heights.

But the band changed in 1975. You'd have to reconstruct the whole shooting match to have a chance at re-creating that special spot.

Simply put, it would mean kicking people OFF of the stage.

It ain't gonna happen.

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I never thought I would see this.

I can die happy now.

Thank you.

effing great!

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I applaud the band for rolling out Silver Train.

It's a dud.

You have GOT to give MT room to breathe. It's not happening (or gonna happen) with RW and Chuck Leavell. You can see MT's body language, so conscious of being in "the band" as opposed to being in his unique spot as alpha lead during the Golden Age. The "big format" of the Stones > '89 prevents breathing room for MT in 2014.

Too many cooks in the kitchen, methinks.

MT never "meshed" in the Stones the way RW does. MT had his "spot", and that was good enough to take the band to their greatest heights.

But the band changed in 1975. You'd have to reconstruct the whole shooting match to have a chance at re-creating that special spot.

Simply put, it would mean kicking people OFF of the stage.

It ain't gonna happen.

Yeah...
This was a dream come true.
Will be repeated though



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I accept their opinions, I'm just expressing mine. Honestly, I'm glad you had a positive experience with ST, Dreamer.

There were many good things about this version. Surprisingly, Mick wasn't one of them, imho. Not taking anything away from the ones who think otherwise.

Let's do it again!

From now on you have to since you learned today "I don't have to be there to notice.."

Do you really think I learned something today?

I was merely being constructive, as opposed to some whining I've been reacting to earlier.

Why the need to be so harsh?

Can't you see the nuances and the differences in criticism (as well as the genuin hope for improvement)?

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P.S.
People from Prudential were sitting in the front row.(I was in second row)
They were sitting all through the show even though they are two generations younger than Stones!
All of them were fat people and wearing gray suit and tie.
Some of them left and went home when Keith started Slipping Away.
Anyway, I could see the show like in the very front row thanks to Prudential sucks.
I was lucky enough.

Hey Toru A
Thanks for your reports ! What a show.
How was the view from the front of the stage? Could you see everybody ok?

Late to the party, but it sounded like a great one! (Who cares how somebody else plays any of these songs?) Thanks for the reviews and vids!

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I accept their opinions, I'm just expressing mine. Honestly, I'm glad you had a positive experience with ST, Dreamer.

There were many good things about this version. Surprisingly, Mick wasn't one of them, imho. Not taking anything away from the ones who think otherwise.

Let's do it again!

From now on you have to since you learned today "I don't have to be there to notice.."

Do you really think I learned something today?

I was merely being constructive, as opposed to some whining I've been reacting to earlier.

Why the need to be so harsh?

Can't you see the nuances and the differences in criticism (as well as the genuin hope for improvement)?

DP, your criticisms are constructive and never meant to be mean spirited. I think most everyone here know that.

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DP, your criticisms are constructive and never meant to be mean spirited. I think most everyone here know that

Not sure if I am most everyone, but yeah, I know

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P.S.
People from Prudential were sitting in the front row.(I was in second row)
They were sitting all through the show even though they are two generations younger than Stones!
All of them were fat people and wearing gray suit and tie.
Some of them left and went home when Keith started Slipping Away.
Anyway, I could see the show like in the very front row thanks to Prudential sucks.
I was lucky enough.

Hey Toru A
Thanks for your reports ! What a show.
How was the view from the front of the stage? Could you see everybody ok?

Hi Deathgod,

Smoking is strictly prohibited on the stage of and within Tokyo Dome.
But three guitarists ignored the rule.
They were all in fine shape.
More than anything, they seemed happy to play with the band.

I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu last night.

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I accept their opinions, I'm just expressing mine. Honestly, I'm glad you had a positive experience with ST, Dreamer.

There were many good things about this version. Surprisingly, Mick wasn't one of them, imho. Not taking anything away from the ones who think otherwise.

Let's do it again!

From now on you have to since you learned today "I don't have to be there to notice.."

Do you really think I learned something today?

I was merely being constructive, as opposed to some whining I've been reacting to earlier.

Why the need to be so harsh?

Can't you see the nuances and the differences in criticism (as well as the genuin hope for improvement)?

DP, your criticisms are constructive and never meant to be mean spirited. I think most everyone here know that.

Thanks, latebloomer

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I applaud the band for rolling out Silver Train.

It's a dud.

You have GOT to give MT room to breathe. It's not happening (or gonna happen) with RW and Chuck Leavell. You can see MT's body language, so conscious of being in "the band" as opposed to being in his unique spot as alpha lead during the Golden Age. The "big format" of the Stones > '89 prevents breathing room for MT in 2014.

Too many cooks in the kitchen, methinks.

MT never "meshed" in the Stones the way RW does. MT had his "spot", and that was good enough to take the band to their greatest heights.

But the band changed in 1975. You'd have to reconstruct the whole shooting match to have a chance at re-creating that special spot.

Simply put, it would mean kicking people OFF of the stage.

It ain't gonna happen.

I'm afraid you're totally right with this analysis.