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Nellcote1971
Was able to spin a copy from the first 71-06 box. It's not the flat transfer
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Spud
Couldn't have been the Flat transfer in 06...not without time travel
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Nellcote1971
Sorry, ironbelly. Appreciate those uploads, just didn't have proper time to listen to them (and didn't wanna make a fool of myself AGAIN).
Would be cool of you could post the solution though!
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Spud
Wouldn't have a clue to be honest.
I can't even remember when I bought the German Electrola pressing but early 80s would be about right I think.
[How do you feel about those red label German Teldec pressings of the old Decca stuff ? ]
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Nellcote1971
Yeah, the Electrola is fantastic! Found it interesting that the UK 79 EMI is so bad, I thought they are probably the same mastering.
The UK Artisan is otherwordly... just so good. What are the matrix numbers on yours, Spud?
I found that 1/2 matrices are basically the same, whereas my one D3 side is compressed af.
Does anyone have any inside into the Artisan mastering process? Did Andy Johns master the UK 1/2 matrices and took them to the UK personally (as someone in the Hoffman forum suggested etc.)
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joshbg2k
Never heard a UK Artisan and I’ve heard they sound especially good, but I’m not sure how they could be better than a US Artisan. I have a first press Monarch and first and second presses from other US cutting houses (Specialty and/or Presswell from memory) and they all sound sorta the same to me. Is the UK Artisan a unique mastering?
Correct. Made In The Shade 2005 is new tape transfer and mastering. The tracks on that compilation are not identical to the tracks from the albums that were issued in 1994. They are louder, more compressed and EQ-zed differently. As a matter of fact, there is also slight difference in playback speed. This is new product. Although, the details of mastering process and source tapes is unclear. The only copyright information for EU digipak edition is thisQuote
GasLightStreet
Not exactly off the subject but the Virgin MADE IN THE SHADE songs strangely have a little more life (or oomph) to them than the Virgin albums do, especially Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice and Doo Doo Doo Doo.
Think they were slightly EQed differently than the album masters were or... it's a tad bit hotter?
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Nellcote1971
Yeah that's the brilliant US Monarch pressing.
Exile is the only record I really dig into. Although it's fairly "easy" as all Artisan pressings are so good I somehow can't stop diggin' deeper and deeper...
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Nellcote1971
My assuption is they are all the same mastering. So it's more a question of pressing quality, vinyl condition etc.
I love the MO pressing (my PR and RI are very similar though), the UK sounds maybe just a bit hotter but that's completely subjective...
Some suggest that the UK are "first" pressings as they don't have any numbers or letters added in the matrix whereas all others have that. Don't know if that matters tbh.
In digital world it is much easy. You can always compare amplitude-frequency charts form CDs using audio analysis software. For example, Rocks Off, the title song from EOMS, from different CDs.Quote
Spud
With a decent turntable k and system you certainly can hear the difference between new and well worn stampers...but with 50 & 60 year old records this is just one o many factors which will affect the sound.
Some the best sounding old records are those which were looked after and kept clean, but played on primitive old record players with very crude styli.
Those styli never got anywhere era the part o the groove tracked by a quality stylus profile and record is virtually virgin vinyl