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Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 21, 2014 00:26

In addition to the Sway-mono tread, here is
the list of Mono-releases, that - to my knowledge - exists :


"Ain´t too proud to beg" US-promo, Mono/Stereo ´75

"All down the line" Alternate 7" version, - Mono, b/w "Happy" - Mono, on some US-promo´s, ´72. (Mono is not labeled)

"All down the line" Album version, - Mono on some US-7" - b/w Happy

"Angie", US-promo, Mono/Stereo ´73

"Before they make me run" US-promo, alternate take, Mono/Stereo ´78

"Bitch" Mono on B-side UK-single, - BS/Bitch/Let it rock ´71

"Brown sugar" US-promo, Mono/Stereo ´71 - plus A-side on UK-release of
BS/Bitch/Let it rock, - Mono on first release.

"Crazy Mama" b/w Fool to cry, - both Mono, UK-promo ´76- same promo
released in France.

"Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´72

"Far away eyes" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´78

"Fool to cry" b/w Crazy Mama - both Mono - UK-promo ´76 - same promo released
in France, - "Fool to cry" - Mono/Stereo released on a Canadian promo.

"Going to a go-go" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´82

"Hang fire" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´81

"Happy" b/w "All down the line" - both Mono, on some US-promos ´72 (Mono is not
labeled)

"I don´t know why" US-promo, Abkco, Mono/Stereo ´75

"It´s only rock´n´roll" US-promo, edited version, Mono/Stereo ´74

"Let it rock" Mono on B-side, UK-single - with BS and Bitch, ´71

"Miss you" US-promo, 3,31 version, - Mono/Stereo ´78

"Start me up" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´81

"Sway" Mono - b/w "Wild horses" US-single ´71

"Time is on my side" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´82

"Time waits for no one" US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´75

"Tumblin Dice" Mono on US-promo, - and Mono b/w Sweet black angel-Stereo ´72

"Waiting on a friend" 3,35 version, US-promo - Mono/Stereo ´81

"Wild Horses" Long and short version, both Mono, - US-promo and US-single ´71

"Sticky fingers" - LP, Mono on US-promo `71

Photografically verified, and reported to be Mono, are two UK-promos, - Happy/Shine a light, - Rocks off/All down the line - which both - in my eyes - seem a little "in-house" - maybe grabbed by an employee -
and never really distributed - ?
A lot of Thanks to Mr.Tim - the stones.7.com

All comments, additions and corrections are mostly welcome !



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-28 16:28 by HenrikBB.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: scottkeef ()
Date: January 21, 2014 04:35

The "Sticky Fingers" Mono promo LP does exist. It was sent out to US AM (they were still the king of radio in 71) stations on a white label. I have the boot cdr that was released a few years back. It also has a "test Acetate" disc of "Exile on Main St" (not mono) as bonus disc. I love the "SF"LP regardless if its a fold down" (?) or not. It just cooks,especially "Can't You Hear Me Knockin?"...smokin'!!!

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: January 21, 2014 08:46

I wonder what type of Mono that are recorded in the period 1970-82, if it goes to compare with Monorecordings 1958-1969 for example ...

2 1 2 0

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 21, 2014 11:56

Quote
scottkeef
The "Sticky Fingers" Mono promo LP does exist. It was sent out to US AM (they were still the king of radio in 71) stations on a white label. I have the boot cdr that was released a few years back. It also has a "test Acetate" disc of "Exile on Main St" (not mono) as bonus disc. I love the "SF"LP regardless if its a fold down" (?) or not. It just cooks,especially "Can't You Hear Me Knockin?"...smokin'!!!

Thanks a lot for the info !
Had only seen photos of it, - The orange sticker with the word "MONARUAL"
on it, - quite puzzled me, - where does that word come from ?
Can see it´s auctioned once in a while - not the cheapest piece of vinyl !

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 21, 2014 12:14

Quote
HenrikBB
Quote
scottkeef
The "Sticky Fingers" Mono promo LP does exist. It was sent out to US AM (they were still the king of radio in 71) stations on a white label. I have the boot cdr that was released a few years back. It also has a "test Acetate" disc of "Exile on Main St" (not mono) as bonus disc. I love the "SF"LP regardless if its a fold down" (?) or not. It just cooks,especially "Can't You Hear Me Knockin?"...smokin'!!!

Thanks a lot for the info !
Had only seen photos of it, - The orange sticker with the word "MONARUAL"
on it, - quite puzzled me, - where does that word come from ?
Can see it´s auctioned once in a while - not the cheapest piece of vinyl !
OK - Got it ! Monaural is the word in it´s original form - normally known
as Mono, - Thank you Wiki !

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: January 21, 2014 12:17

Quote
HenrikBB
Quote
scottkeef
The "Sticky Fingers" Mono promo LP does exist. It was sent out to US AM (they were still the king of radio in 71) stations on a white label. I have the boot cdr that was released a few years back. It also has a "test Acetate" disc of "Exile on Main St" (not mono) as bonus disc. I love the "SF"LP regardless if its a fold down" (?) or not. It just cooks,especially "Can't You Hear Me Knockin?"...smokin'!!!

Thanks a lot for the info !
Had only seen photos of it, - The orange sticker with the word "MONARUAL"
on it, - quite puzzled me, - where does that word come from ?
Can see it´s auctioned once in a while - not the cheapest piece of vinyl !

Mono: single (monopoly, monocle), aural: pertaining to hearing.
[en.wikipedia.org]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 21, 2014 22:44

Quote
Come On
I wonder what type of Mono that are recorded in the period 1970-82, if it goes to compare with Monorecordings 1958-1969 for example ...

Quite sure that nothing was actually "recorded" in Mono in the 70´es, - it was made in the production, - and sometimes mixed especially for mono. This mono-thing was for 95% an American issue, - due to American radio-stations. Music like The Rolling Stones was not for well-off people, - with a High-Fidelity set-up in the livingroom; - it was to be heard on transistors and car-radios !

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: ifyacantrockme ()
Date: January 22, 2014 04:57

I"m pretty surprised how many mono mixes were done in the 70s and early 80s. I had no idea they were still being done after the 60s. Thanks for the info!

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: JuanTCB ()
Date: January 22, 2014 05:54

How many of the monos after '72 or so were actual dedicated mixes and not fold-downs?

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 22, 2014 14:35

Quote
JuanTCB
How many of the monos after '72 or so were actual dedicated mixes and not fold-downs?

Very hard to say, - because it depends on, who you ask ! Lots of opinions among collectors.
Especially when it comes to some of the rare releases, - collectors have a (natural) tendency, of "highpraising" that particular release, that is in their collection.

Another problem is, how you shall listen to those monos.
They were made for AM-broadcasting, - and not intended for a home-High-Fidelity-setup, - making the songs most effectfull, -
so just to mention one dilemma - shall you hear them from ONE loudspeaker -
or from two - ? ? ? - and will you have to use a true mono-turntable ?

One way of comparing could be playing the stereo-version, in mono - if your amplifier has this function - of course - using just one loudspeaker, - and then playing the mono-version with a true mono-cartridge.
This is at least what I´m planning to do . . . . but there are a lot of options . . .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-28 16:31 by HenrikBB.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Date: January 22, 2014 15:05

<One way of comparing could be playing the stereo-version, in mono - if your amplifier has this function - of course - using just one loudspeaker, - and then playing the mono-version with a true mono-cartridge.
This is at least what I´m planning to do . . . . but there are a lot of options . . .>

Why only one speaker - you will hear the difference anyhow?

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 22, 2014 15:34

Quote
DandelionPowderman
<One way of comparing could be playing the stereo-version, in mono - if your amplifier has this function - of course - using just one loudspeaker, - and then playing the mono-version with a true mono-cartridge.
This is at least what I´m planning to do . . . . but there are a lot of options . . .>

Why only one speaker - you will hear the difference anyhow?

Think you are absolutely right ! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 23, 2014 01:40

Quote
ifyacantrockme
I"m pretty surprised how many mono mixes were done in the 70s and early 80s. I had no idea they were still being done after the 60s. Thanks for the info!

Was actually surprised myself ! - especially that it went on into the 80´s -
always thought of Mono as something from the 60´s -
But being a whole-hearted collector, I could not ignore the fact, finding many Mono/Stereo-promos for sale - that these should have my attention.
Couldn´t find a specific listing on those post-69 monos, - so I decided to make one myself.
A lot has been published about the Mono/Stereo-"issue" in the 60´s -
but not much concerning ´70 - ´82.
1982 being the last year I have been able to establish a Mono-release. Additions are more than welcome ! ! !

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: January 24, 2014 13:15

There´s two different 1972 mono versions of All Down The Line. (Happy is identical (mono) on both presses, matrix RS- 24181-1)

1. The regular mix, but completely in mono. (Album mix has some backing vocals in stereo, IIRC) This I have on a yellow US 7", matrix SR-R.S. 24186-1

2. Alternate mix (as below). Different intro, more backing vocals and piano, also longer. On white US promo 7", matrix RS- 24186-2









Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-24 13:17 by rootsman.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 25, 2014 11:54

Quote
rootsman
There´s two different 1972 mono versions of All Down The Line. (Happy is identical (mono) on both presses, matrix RS- 24181-1)

1. The regular mix, but completely in mono. (Album mix has some backing vocals in stereo, IIRC) This I have on a yellow US 7", matrix SR-R.S. 24186-1

2. Alternate mix (as below). Different intro, more backing vocals and piano, also longer. On white US promo 7", matrix RS- 24186-2



Great info Rootsman !
Thanks a lot !





Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: smokeydusky ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:08

Does the "single mix" of Rocks Off have a longer outro?

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:23

Quote
smokeydusky
Does the "single mix" of Rocks Off have a longer outro?

No.
[www.45cat.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:33

Quote
HenrikBB
Quote
rootsman
There´s two different 1972 mono versions of All Down The Line. (Happy is identical (mono) on both presses, matrix RS- 24181-1)

1. The regular mix, but completely in mono. (Album mix has some backing vocals in stereo, IIRC) This I have on a yellow US 7", matrix SR-R.S. 24186-1

2. Alternate mix (as below). Different intro, more backing vocals and piano, also longer. On white US promo 7", matrix RS- 24186-2



Great info Rootsman !
Thanks a lot !


Question for Rootsman :
There are at least 6 yellow-labeled US-releases of Happy / All down the line,
and I can´t see any SR-R.S. 24186-1, - I suppose this is the run-out matrix-engraving (?) - Could you post all numbers labeled on the All down the line-side, - helping to identify a copy. Thxs a Lot !





Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: smokeydusky ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:36

Quote
Deltics

No.
[www.45cat.com]

Thanks. Still trying to figure out what the following refers to


Re: Track Talk: Rocks Off
Posted by: Carster ()
Date: January 20, 2014 18:11
You should all hear the genuine mono mix, extended outro.
Rocks Off: Three collectible versions (full-time collectors only, I should know)

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:45

Quote
smokeydusky
Quote
Deltics

No.
[www.45cat.com]

Thanks. Still trying to figure out what the following refers to


Re: Track Talk: Rocks Off
Posted by: Carster ()
Date: January 20, 2014 18:11
You should all hear the genuine mono mix, extended outro.
Rocks Off: Three collectible versions (full-time collectors only, I should know)

Carster is always saying things like that but never with anything to back it up. He obviously doesn't want to shine.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-25 13:10 by Deltics.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: 1963luca0 ()
Date: January 25, 2014 12:58

Do not forget the mono 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!' issued in may a South American Country. Unfortunaly, MINT copies are hardly foud from those Copuntries, but I have to say that my VG copies sound very very strong

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 25, 2014 13:20

Quote
Deltics
Quote
smokeydusky
Quote
Deltics

No.
[www.45cat.com]

Thanks. Still trying to figure out what the following refers to


Re: Track Talk: Rocks Off
Posted by: Carster ()
Date: January 20, 2014 18:11
You should all hear the genuine mono mix, extended outro.
Rocks Off: Three collectible versions (full-time collectors only, I should know)

Carster is always saying things like that but never with anything to back it up. He obviously doesn't want to shine.

Is this something that needs a further research ? - and maybe Carster will be a little more specific ! - ?

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 25, 2014 13:24

Quote
1963luca0
Do not forget the mono 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!' issued in may a South American Country. Unfortunaly, MINT copies are hardly foud from those Copuntries, but I have to say that my VG copies sound very very strong

Interesting ! - indeed ! But will it be OK to let this tread concentrate on
mono-releases from 1970 and forward, - on Rolling Stones Records, Just to keep focus

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: scottkeef ()
Date: January 25, 2014 21:09

Quote
1963luca0
Do not forget the mono 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!' issued in may a South American Country. Unfortunaly, MINT copies are hardly foud from those Copuntries, but I have to say that my VG copies sound very very strong

I'm really quite surprised that this version never saw a bootleg release(maybe as a bonus disc to the "Apple Acetate") Sound quality aside, it would be nice to give it a listen..I mean even the Acetate was pretty rough! Well, the second one found and released by Idol Mind (?) was decent enough but the first one that made the rounds for years sure had a lot of surface noise! I would love to give that mono ya yas a spin!

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 25, 2014 21:37

Quote
1963luca0
Do not forget the mono 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!' issued in may a South American Country. Unfortunaly, MINT copies are hardly foud from those Copuntries, but I have to say that my VG copies sound very very strong

Fold down from stereo?

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: RobberBride ()
Date: January 25, 2014 22:47

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HenrikBB
Quote
Deltics
Quote
smokeydusky
Thanks. Still trying to figure out what the following refers to


Re: Track Talk: Rocks Off
Posted by: Carster ()
Date: January 20, 2014 18:11
You should all hear the genuine mono mix, extended outro.
Rocks Off: Three collectible versions (full-time collectors only, I should know)

Carster is always saying things like that but never with anything to back it up. He obviously doesn't want to shine.

Is this something that needs a further research ? - and maybe Carster will be a little more specific ! - ?
As stated in another thread...don´t bother. He is not very high regarded around here.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: January 26, 2014 00:07

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-26 00:16 by rootsman.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: January 26, 2014 00:14

Question for Rootsman :
There are at least 6 yellow-labeled US-releases of Happy / All down the line,
and I can´t see any SR-R.S. 24186-1, - I suppose this is the run-out matrix-engraving (?) - Could you post all numbers labeled on the All down the line-side, - helping to identify a copy. Thxs a Lot !


Yes, that´s the run out engraved matrix.
The number on the label is RS-24186 SP
The Happy side label has RS-24181 SP

Sorry, I´m not able to post a picture...

Edit:
Just to confuse things, those above label numbers are also on my white promo copy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-26 00:24 by rootsman.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 26, 2014 00:28

Quote
rootsman
Question for Rootsman :
There are at least 6 yellow-labeled US-releases of Happy / All down the line,
and I can´t see any SR-R.S. 24186-1, - I suppose this is the run-out matrix-engraving (?) - Could you post all numbers labeled on the All down the line-side, - helping to identify a copy. Thxs a Lot !


Yes, that´s the run out engraved matrix.
The number on the label is RS-24186 SP
The Happy side label has RS-24181 SP

Sorry, I´m not able to post a picture...

Thanks a lot Rootsman !
No need of photos - your informations should be enough for finding a copy !

On my white label too ! - but ending with "Mo" - and so are some of the yellows ! Quite confusing, - and I think there are several other variations
than listed on stones.7 right now.
The matrix runout-engravings can be a little tricky, - because I think they were slightly changed for each pressing-run.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-26 01:02 by HenrikBB.

Re: Mono-releases ´70 - ´82
Posted by: HenrikBB ()
Date: January 26, 2014 00:41

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RobberBride
Quote
HenrikBB
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Deltics
Quote
smokeydusky
Thanks. Still trying to figure out what the following refers to


Re: Track Talk: Rocks Off
Posted by: Carster ()
Date: January 20, 2014 18:11
You should all hear the genuine mono mix, extended outro.
Rocks Off: Three collectible versions (full-time collectors only, I should know)

Carster is always saying things like that but never with anything to back it up. He obviously doesn't want to shine.

Is this something that needs a further research ? - and maybe Carster will be a little more specific ! - ?
As stated in another thread...don´t bother. He is not very high regarded around here.

Thanks ! I´ll pay it no further attention ! "Funny" guy - this Carster -
don´t understand his "project" ! - ?

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