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Bellajane
Where do you draw the line between working out your (guitar) part and contributing enough to deserve songwriting credit?
Be careful with that can of worms here.
Actually, I find it quite common among famous old rockers of Taylor's generation to be vague, inconsistent, aloof and generally dismissive about their own history and/or importance. Bob Dylan being a well-known example. Even Paul McCartney, who, while very friendly and courteous, can brush away things sometimes. I guess it's the nature of bohemian rock 'n' roll -- you're not supposed to care about your own history too much, that's for geeks like us (and Bill Wyman).
I saw a Swedish documentary about the music of the 1990s recently, and I noticed that many of the (former) stars who were being interviewed in the show were far more mindful about their own history, discography and so on, than ol' rockers like Jagger and Dylan. Now I'm talking about people like Suede, Stereo MCs, Blur, Primal Scream, Anything But The Girl, etc. It was almost like some kind of cultural gap. Perhaps it was coincidence. Probably age had something to do with it. But it made for enjoyable viewing. Being a geeky hard core fan of rock stars living on borrowed time can be a little frustrating at times.
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DandelionPowderman
IF he said it that way, something people with more knowledge than me doubt as well...
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Bellajane
I remember reading an interview quite awhile ago and someone said (it may have been his wife Valerie) that he was very surprised at the interest his fans had in him.
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Bellajane
I remember reading an interview quite awhile ago and someone said (it may have been his wife Valerie) that he was very surprised at the interest his fans had in him.
Taylor and I have something in common.
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Bellajane
You're always the comedian!!
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Bellajane
I remember reading an interview quite awhile ago and someone said (it may have been his wife Valerie) that he was very surprised at the interest his fans had in him.
Taylor and I have something in common.
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Bellajane
Well, I'm not making it up. I know I read that...possibly on the liner notes of his first album. Can't remember.
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DandelionPowderman
The Taylor cult is the nitty gritty of fanhood
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The Taylor cult is the nitty gritty of fanhood
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His Majesty
The Jones world is full of some really @#$%& up people though. I got banned from some Jones sites. They don't like facts which mess with their beliefs. They'll accept Jones violence against women and his cruel, cold hearted ways towards his own kids, but not facts put forth in a rude manner. That's interesting.
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Bellajane
Where do you draw the line between working out your (guitar) part and contributing enough to deserve songwriting credit?
Be careful with that can of worms here.
Actually, I find it quite common among famous old rockers of Taylor's generation to be vague, inconsistent, aloof and generally dismissive about their own history and/or importance. Bob Dylan being a well-known example. Even Paul McCartney, who, while very friendly and courteous, can brush away things sometimes. I guess it's the nature of bohemian rock 'n' roll -- you're not supposed to care about your own history too much, that's for geeks like us (and Bill Wyman).
I saw a Swedish documentary about the music of the 1990s recently, and I noticed that many of the (former) stars who were being interviewed in the show were far more mindful about their own history, discography and so on, than ol' rockers like Jagger and Dylan. Now I'm talking about people like Suede, Stereo MCs, Blur, Primal Scream, Anything But The Girl, etc. It was almost like some kind of cultural gap. Perhaps it was coincidence. Probably age had something to do with it. But it made for enjoyable viewing. Being a geeky hard core fan of rock stars living on borrowed time can be a little frustrating at times.
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His Majesty
The Jones world is full of some really @#$%& up people though. I got banned from some Jones sites. They don't like facts which mess with their beliefs. They'll accept Jones violence against women and his cruel, cold hearted ways towards his own kids, but not facts put forth in a rude manner. That's interesting.
Is this part of the reason why Brian Jones isn't anything like as big a topic here as Taylor is? I've always found that rather surprising, staunch Taylorite though I am. If you were to try coming to terms with Stones fandom purely by reading the IORR forums you'd come away with the impression that Mick Taylor casts an almighty shadow over every aspect of the band's past and present. This clearly isn't the case, otherwise Jagger would have cottoned onto the commercial viability of bringing him back in some capacity years ago. Jones, by contrast, still has lots of posthumous name-recognition value amongst the general public (most of whom wouldn't have a clue who Mick Taylor is or was). So what's the deal with his fans? Do they just hang out elsewhere?
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LuxuryStones
Yes Doxa, even hardcore Taylorites have feelings and know life can be cruel sometimes.
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Yes Doxa, even hardcore Taylorites have feelings and know life can be cruel sometimes.
No shit man!
- Doxa
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LuxuryStones
I put flowers on his grave and remained silent for a couple of minutes.
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Bellajane
Well, I'm not making it up. I know I read that...possibly on the liner notes of his first album. Can't remember.
Ah, "can't remember"! I rest my case.
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LuxuryStones
It's not such a funny phenomenon I think. If Brian was still alive he would surely get a lot more attention on this or any music related site. And count in that Brian wasn't a innovating guitar hero like Jimi Hendrix, something that ensures immortal fame. That said, to me Brian was a great musician and founder of the greatest R&R band in the world. I put flowers on his grave and remained silent for a couple of minutes. Yes Doxa, even hardcore Taylorites have feelings and know life can be cruel sometimes.
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DandelionPowderman
I think everybody loves Brian's input
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Doxa
Yeah, I see the same funny phenomenon. Mick Taylor is almost like a secret hero of hardcore Rolling Stones fans, but a rather unknown figure to anyone else, excluded some guitar nerds of the world. After Mick and Keith he is no doubt the most discussed Stone here at IORR. But almost anyone who knows something about the history of rock and roll, knows Brian Jones (if anything else but the Rolling Stone who went to pool), but not much love or even interest for him among diehard Rolling Stones fans. Like His Majesty mentioned, Taylorites seem to get along rather well with the main stream Rolling Stones fans, but Brian Jones fans seem to go exile...
- Doxa
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DoomandGloom
Ya Ya's put Mick Taylor in an elite place among guitarists. Hi artistic and irreverent interpretations of already known songs is unequalled. Imagine if a new guitarist had joined Tull and changed the hooks and melody lines of the guitar parts... Impossible but Taylor did just that, partially because he never had blind respect for the band. As Nicky Hopkins he was already an established British musician and saw Mick and Keith as songwriters who could barely execute their own material... The era that Taylor joined the band was the height of blues guitar gunslinging, Taylor as one of the best can not be dismissed as Jones often is with "well that's Keith." His touch and sound are instantly recognizable, like Dickey Betts or Peter Frampton, you always know when it's Taylor. On the other side, also like Nicky, Mick T. was not a rugged touring guy like the rest of the group. In his golden era he used hard drugs to maintain composure, we saw in 50+ Taylor with less stage savvy than the rest of the players. The Mick I saw playing with Woody at The Cutting Room was in his comfort zone at the night club level...
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DoomandGloom
Ya Ya's put Mick Taylor in an elite place among guitarists. Hi artistic and irreverent interpretations of already known songs is unequalled. Imagine if a new guitarist had joined Tull and changed the hooks and melody lines of the guitar parts... Impossible but Taylor did just that, partially because he never had blind respect for the band. As Nicky Hopkins he was already an established British musician and saw Mick and Keith as songwriters who could barely execute their own material... The era that Taylor joined the band was the height of blues guitar gunslinging, Taylor as one of the best can not be dismissed as Jones often is with "well that's Keith." His touch and sound are instantly recognizable, like Dickey Betts or Peter Frampton, you always know when it's Taylor. On the other side, also like Nicky, Mick T. was not a rugged touring guy like the rest of the group. In his golden era he used hard drugs to maintain composure, we saw in 50+ Taylor with less stage savvy than the rest of the players. The Mick I saw playing with Woody at The Cutting Room was in his comfort zone at the night club level...
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kleermaker
Most Taylorians are also fan of Brian's input in the Stones music. At least I am and I totally agree here with LuxuryS. I always have mixed feelings when watching Hyde Park summer 69. In fact it's a sad event.