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LieB
The 2nd Fort Worth show indeed has the Gimme Shelter with a prominent Nicky Hopkins. I think this version is better than the 1st show version in the movie. They should have chosen this one instead.
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Eleanor Rigby
It amazes me that this film could be so lame, yet the snippets from @#$%& Blues are simply amazing!
What a difference. ..
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muenke
Kleermarker, this is amazing, which Bootleg is this taken from?
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kleermaker
Were the Stones great in 1972 or what!
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kleermaker
Were the Stones great in 1972 or what!
Nae bad, nae bad.
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kleermaker
Have just one listen, only one!
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kleermaker
Have just one listen, only one!
I've heard a lot of this era before sir. I am warming to it again, but long exposure to guitar playing with that honky ampeg tone gives me a sore head.
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Wroclaw
LieB - wow: thank you for a great answer. So, if I got it right, we may assume the the 2nd FW recording came from the "official" recordings done by the bank and which eventually were the base of the film? Are the boot recordings of the specific FW#2 songs that were in the film, similar to those of the actual film? same mix/sound?
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Wroclaw
BTW: I like both GS Fort Worth versions! the one with Nicky Hopkins (where was he during the first? he cannot be heard I think) is very energetic. The one in the film is well filmed and I think there are many Stones fans who really enjoy watching MT doing his bits with the light isolating him from the rest of the band, hidden in the dark.
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kleermaker
Sure very good: compare the L&G Shelter with this Shelter here: much better sound quality here! I compared it with the boot Rolling Stones Touring Party 1972 vol. 1 Rattlesnake (containing both FW shows). I'm almost sure it's from that boot, because Happy is missing and the sound quality is the same. I also have a boot with almost the same sound quality which also has Happy (after Tumbling Dice). That boot is called Forth Worth Express (VGP 205) and contains only the second show. But because Happy is missing in the video it's not that boot.
If you don't have it: enter the Stones Vault here and get them!
Were the Stones great in 1972 or what!
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Wroclaw
LieB - wow: thank you for a great answer. So, if I got it right, we may assume the the 2nd FW recording came from the "official" recordings done by the bank and which eventually were the base of the film? Are the boot recordings of the specific FW#2 songs that were in the film, similar to those of the actual film? same mix/sound?
You're welcome. The mix in the 2nd Ft Worth show tracks in the movie are different from the boots of the same show (Ahmet Ertegün Thank You Kindly, Fort Worth Express, the youtube video above, etc.). The boots are a bit dirty sounding, but the mix is better than in the movie, in my opinion. My guess is that they picked some songs and mixed them for the movie specifically. But why they mixed the whole 2nd Ft Worth show that we have on boot I'm not sure. Perhaps it was for possible radio playing, perhaps it was just for the band's own use, or maybe it was for the '72 live album they worked on but never released. The bootleg closest to that live album is called Keep Your Motor Running and contains (semi)finished tracks with overdubs and stuff. It's mostly from Philadelphia but has Happy from Fort Worth 1st show.Quote
Wroclaw
BTW: I like both GS Fort Worth versions! the one with Nicky Hopkins (where was he during the first? he cannot be heard I think) is very energetic. The one in the film is well filmed and I think there are many Stones fans who really enjoy watching MT doing his bits with the light isolating him from the rest of the band, hidden in the dark.
It's interesting that you mention the dark filming. You have a point there, but I always thought it was inferior and I'm a little disappointed that the movie is so dark, especially on that epic number Gimme Shelter. I pretty much agree with Eleanor Rigby about the movie and I enjoy the live clips in CS Blues very much.
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kleermaker
Sure very good: compare the L&G Shelter with this Shelter here: much better sound quality here! I compared it with the boot Rolling Stones Touring Party 1972 vol. 1 Rattlesnake (containing both FW shows). I'm almost sure it's from that boot, because Happy is missing and the sound quality is the same. I also have a boot with almost the same sound quality which also has Happy (after Tumbling Dice). That boot is called Forth Worth Express (VGP 205) and contains only the second show. But because Happy is missing in the video it's not that boot.
If you don't have it: enter the Stones Vault here and get them!
Were the Stones great in 1972 or what!
Bedankt Kleermarker! I think I will try and get a copy of Rattlesnakes "Touring Party", because I think I need this as a physical release ... Any idea? Discogs?
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filstan
The funny thing about the "Ladies and Gents" film was the fact that it really was outstanding from a sound standpoint when it was first released and it was moving from city to city with the Quad sound system. I saw it three times in Chicago. It could be that the soundtrack did'nt break down well apart from this format. The later regular theater release did not sound any where near as good. I would go so far as to say it was flat in comparison. The volume needed to be turned up LOUD and most theater did'nt/wouldn't do that.
Wasn't Keith involved with mixing this film? I seem to remember reading something to that affect or else it was there when the credits rolled. Either way, the official release DVD audio was disappointing compared to the boots of this movie. Boot video quality not as good but the sound was better. The official release got the video improved, but suffered with the audio. Who does this stuff anyway? How hard is it to get it right?
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filstan
The funny thing about the "Ladies and Gents" film was the fact that it really was outstanding from a sound standpoint when it was first released and it was moving from city to city with the Quad sound system. I saw it three times in Chicago. It could be that the soundtrack did'nt break down well apart from this format. The later regular theater release did not sound any where near as good. I would go so far as to say it was flat in comparison. The volume needed to be turned up LOUD and most theater did'nt/wouldn't do that.
Wasn't Keith involved with mixing this film? I seem to remember reading something to that affect or else it was there when the credits rolled. Either way, the official release DVD audio was disappointing compared to the boots of this movie. Boot video quality not as good but the sound was better. The official release got the video improved, but suffered with the audio. Who does this stuff anyway? How hard is it to get it right?
I often contend that these projects can end up in the wrong hands controling the quality of the release.
Indeed, how hard can it be in this mega technological era?
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His Majesty
I notice some phasing in the sound.
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Eleanor Rigby
A nice full concert video of Pittsburgh would be nice..:-)
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kevinkamphuis
All 4 shows where recorded on 32-track multitrack tape!