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latvianinexile
Looks like a B3 to me
Is that Stones stage?
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latvianinexile
Looks like a B3 to me
Any insiders have any knowledge of an actual Leslie cabinet anywhere either backstage or under the stage somewhere? Again, in 2014, there might not be a sonic difference that non-experts can hear between the real thing and a MIDI simulator. Just asking from the department of historical accuracy!Quote
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latvianinexile
Looks like a B3 to me
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DoomandGloom
"Now doubt in my mind that in ’89 and before, the technology was not good enough." Not true, performers have been successfully "fooling us" with midi pianos installed inside grand pianos since the early 80's.....
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mtaylor
Playing a grand piano or an Electric piano makes a big difference. The sound is completely different.
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mtaylor
I can tell you, there is big difference.
From I was 5-6 years old, I have played piano and later on also pipe organ. I was so lucky that my piano teacher had a Steinway grand piano and that fantastic to play on. I myself have a Yamaha upright.
It takes time to deal with the real thing - adjustments etc., but that Work is worth every penny. The Electric piano have become much better through the years, but the sound doesn't get the same as the real one.
The same with a big pipe organ - you will never get the real thing, no matter what you say. Imagine Bach's "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" on keybaords
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mr_dja
I won’t disagree that there probably isn’t much sonic difference in a stadium between the top of the line digital controllers and MIDI samples that Chuck has access to in 2014.
Hmmm. As far as symphonies employed in pop music, films or commercials very often a combination a midi and a small string section will do the trick to fool our ears. Add 8 violins and violas to a midi track, record them twice or more and you get a full sound... I recall the first midi/grand pianos in the mid 80's. For onstage a high end performer like Elton could be using an actual piano to trigger the midi signal the audience hears. The sound engineer could mix in a little of the mic'd piano or not but Elton would still have the comfort of the actual instrument. Still I can usually recognize when a real piano is employed in a live concert. It is usually more subtle in the mix as the mic's used to reinforce it are also "seeing" the louder on stage instruments... Other than guitars and drums The Stones are not too sentimental about gear but they may be regarding Stu and don't have a piano anylonger as a nod to their bandmate..Quote
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DoomandGloom
"Now doubt in my mind that in ’89 and before, the technology was not good enough." Not true, performers have been successfully "fooling us" with midi pianos installed inside grand pianos since the early 80's.....
Or at least trying to...
I don't want to hijack the thread by arguing the point as I really don't have enough specific expertise to back it up (and I know from reading your posts you had access to higher end equipment in the 80's than I did!). I'll use the word flacvinyl brought in earlier in the thread and amend my statement to compromise with you and say prior to the early/mid-90s they weren't able to consistently fool us. It's just in my memory, it wasn't until the early to mid-90's that the MIDI technology came far enough to really "do a good piano" sound consistently. I'll never forget the fear I felt in late '91 when I was listening to a recording of piano & orchestra and thought, "hmm... I wonder who the orchestra was on this album." When I read the liner notes and found out it was one guy with a few different keyboards my first thought was "Sh!t! They don't need us anymore!" Not only did the guy have a great piano sound but also the symphonic instruments including percussion & some guitar were outstanding. Twenty years later I don't even imagine a symphony unless they make the front cover. Now I assume that it's all digital and am pleasantly surprised if I find out the artist took enough ________ to use a symphony as opposed to a keyboard.
Note: Since I know you’ve got many stories you’ve yet to share with the board, if you’d like to use this as a springboard to share some of your stories, I’m all ears!
Peace,
Mr DJA
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mtaylor
Playing a grand piano or an Electric piano makes a big difference. The sound is completely different.
Betyer to call it a digital piano as an electric piano wood be more the wurlitzer.
A real piano sounding good in a loud band depends on the player, how it's mic'd up, the gear used and the sound crew etc.
He might still sound plinky with a real one in the context of a stones concert due to how he plays. He might actually like the sounds he gets and would aim for a similar bright sound inorder to cut through.
There's no reason he can't make the digital piano he already uses sound less plinky.
He might just think it's fits in better.
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His Majesty
Wtf has a pipe organ got to do with this?
An acoustic or digital piano can sound great or shit in a concert with a loud rock band. In 1989 i'd say the use of a digital piano resulted in crap sound, fast forward to 2012 it's not the piano that's the problem, it's his style and sound choices that some people seem to have a problem with.
Digital piano is not the reason he sounds the way he does onstage. It's how he uses it. A real piano is not the answer to some fans problem with Chuck.
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mtaylor
You missed the point - it was to explain that a digital thing can't replace the real thing. A computer can't replace all acoustic kind of instruments - it is impossible.
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His Majesty
Wtf has a pipe organ got to do with this?
An acoustic or digital piano can sound great or shit in a concert with a loud rock band. In 1989 i'd say the use of a digital piano resulted in crap sound, fast forward to 2012 it's not the piano that's the problem, it's his style and sound choices that some people seem to have a problem with.
Digital piano is not the reason he sounds the way he does onstage. It's how he uses it. A real piano is not the answer to some fans problem with Chuck.
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mtaylor
You missed the point - it was to explain that a digital thing can't replace the real thing. A computer can't replace all acoustic kind of instruments - it is impossible.
That's just your opinion and who say's digital has to replace the real thing anyway?
It doesn't really matter with regards to Chuck. That's how he wants to sound, it's not digital itself that is the problem, it's how he plays, what he chooses to use and how he uses it. He cold easily get a more convincing sounding digital piano or even a real piano, but it doesn't mean he's going to sound any better onstage with the stones.
Put it this way, were Stu or Nicky still alive it would still be recognisably Stu or Nicky were they to play the exact same digital piano Chuck used on the last stones tour.
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Garbie
Today you can find digital pianos which are very very close to acustic ones. I am sure that 99% of the people would have problems to distinguish a good digital one from a normal one with the eyes closed. The touch is also really good today. I have tried many pianos in my life including the best you can imagine and believe me, there are fantastic digital pianos today.
Anyway, the two pianos I have at home, a grand and am upright are acustic...
he would slow down. Still you need real muscle for a genuine piano and it's idiosyncrasies. Chuck is a piano player first. I know for fact that he never recorded as an organist until Clapton's "Unplugged" where he played B-3 and pump organ at first reluctantly. It's clear there's been enough Chuck bashing today and I'm sorry to be a part of it. He is in fact a great person and amazing musician. It must be us...Quote
His Majesty
Yes, but a real piano wouldn't make much if any difference in a concert because it's still Chuck playing it. A real piano might even encourage him to play even more than he already does.
There have been a few keyboard specific threads on here.
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DoomandGloom
It's clear there's been enough Chuck bashing today and I'm sorry to be a part of it. He is in fact a great person and amazing musician. It must be us...