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I won't define TSMR as a pop album.
PIB and 19thNB aren't really pop as such.
An important note: The Kinks played pop longer than the Stones did. That also makes them bigger in that segment. But you have several points, I give you that.
Good. I love the Kinks, by the way, have all their LPs and every single f...ing single. (Yes, even You Still Want Me, but in very poor condition.) One of my favourite Kinks songs is Shangri-La. I also love the trilogy Something Else/Village Green/Arthur. A shame they didn't sell so well!
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Silly argument. Who keeps bringing it up? There are the Stones..and then everyone else. Case closed. Stop it!
Don't you mean 'There are the Beatles, a couple steps down are the Stones, a couple more steps Led Zeppelin, three more The Who', and then everyone else? Even to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles is quite enough. Most people do say 'The Beatles and The Stones'. The Stones never had the top five spots on the Billboard charts. They didn't kick in the door for British acts. They didn't have double A-sides like Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields, or Hey Jude/Revolution, with both sides being top sellers. The Stones weren't in movies. Most people couldn't have named all the members. The Beatles were four superstars, the Stones were one. It's okay. Being number two to the Beatles is not shameful. They were plain and simple a phenomena.
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Silly argument. Who keeps bringing it up? There are the Stones..and then everyone else. Case closed. Stop it!
Don't you mean 'There are the Beatles, a couple steps down are the Stones, a couple more steps Led Zeppelin, three more The Who', and then everyone else? Even to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles is quite enough. Most people do say 'The Beatles and The Stones'. The Stones never had the top five spots on the Billboard charts. They didn't kick in the door for British acts. They didn't have double A-sides like Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields, or Hey Jude/Revolution, with both sides being top sellers. The Stones weren't in movies. Most people couldn't have named all the members. The Beatles were four superstars, the Stones were one. It's okay. Being number two to the Beatles is not shameful. They were plain and simple a phenomena.
Not sure if Honky Tonk Women/YCAGWYW is a double a-side but I'm not sure it could be considered anything but that. Similarly Brown Sugar/Bitch. Similarly Miss You/Far Away Eyes.
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Silly argument. Who keeps bringing it up? There are the Stones..and then everyone else. Case closed. Stop it!
Don't you mean 'There are the Beatles, a couple steps down are the Stones, a couple more steps Led Zeppelin, three more The Who', and then everyone else? Even to be mentioned in the same breath as the Beatles is quite enough. Most people do say 'The Beatles and The Stones'. The Stones never had the top five spots on the Billboard charts. They didn't kick in the door for British acts. They didn't have double A-sides like Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields, or Hey Jude/Revolution, with both sides being top sellers. The Stones weren't in movies. Most people couldn't have named all the members. The Beatles were four superstars, the Stones were one. It's okay. Being number two to the Beatles is not shameful. They were plain and simple a phenomena.
Not sure if Honky Tonk Women/YCAGWYW is a double a-side but I'm not sure it could be considered anything but that. Similarly Brown Sugar/Bitch. Similarly Miss You/Far Away Eyes.
Not to nitpick, but I believe it was Brown Sugar/Wild Horses (not Bitch as the b side).
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I won't define TSMR as a pop album.
PIB and 19thNB aren't really pop as such.
An important note: The Kinks played pop longer than the Stones did. That also makes them bigger in that segment. But you have several points, I give you that.
Good. I love the Kinks, by the way, have all their LPs and every single f...ing single. (Yes, even You Still Want Me, but in very poor condition.) One of my favourite Kinks songs is Shangri-La. I also love the trilogy Something Else/Village Green/Arthur. A shame they didn't sell so well!
I'm with you there, mate. That trilogy is nothing but awesome. I like Face To Face as well.
I have all the albums, too, and I'm working my way toward getting all the singles as well.
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DandelionPowderman
I won't define TSMR as a pop album.
PIB and 19thNB aren't really pop as such.
An important note: The Kinks played pop longer than the Stones did. That also makes them bigger in that segment. But you have several points, I give you that.
Good. I love the Kinks, by the way, have all their LPs and every single f...ing single. (Yes, even You Still Want Me, but in very poor condition.) One of my favourite Kinks songs is Shangri-La. I also love the trilogy Something Else/Village Green/Arthur. A shame they didn't sell so well!
I'm with you there, mate. That trilogy is nothing but awesome. I like Face To Face as well.
I have all the albums, too, and I'm working my way toward getting all the singles as well.
The triumvrate of British music is always discussed as the Beatles, Stones and Who, but I think had the Kinks not abandon the US between 1966-69 they would have been the third great. (BTW in his book Americana, Ray Davies concludes that he feels that there was no ban on the Kinks, simply that the US didn't understand the Kinks and therefore they were not asked back, which is a shame.)
As for how to rank bands, its pretty much the Beatles at the top, the Stones a step down, the Who a step down from there, the Kinks a couple steps down and the rest (including Zeppelin and Floyd).
I often wonder a number of things about the Beatles and the good fortune they had in music (lets face it a number of things went their way). Among the questions:
1.What if Decca had signed them? They wouldn't have worked with Martin (at least not initially) who wouldn't have encouraged them and helped create their sound.
2. If JFK had not been killed in November 1963, would the Beatles have been as culturally[/u] popular? I read one asinine report of the Beatles 50th anniversary on Ed Sullivan that said the youth didn't care about JFK's death. This is simply wrong. Never before had the youth in America rallied around a president (and would not again until 2008 around Obama). BTW this same report said the Stones didn't play Sullivan until 1967!
3. Finally what if the Beatles hadn't disbanded in 1970, but rather went back touring and continued on as a band through say 1980. Would their legacy still be the same? Part of the Beatles legacy, IMO, is what they accomplished in such a short time, which is remarkable. I think alot of the Stones hype is their longevity 50 years is quite a long time for a band!
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I thought this has to do with Ian "Mac" McLagan.
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Not sure if Honky Tonk Women/YCAGWYW is a double a-side but I'm not sure it could be considered anything but that. Similarly Brown Sugar/Bitch. Similarly Miss You/Far Away Eyes.
Not to nitpick, but I believe it was Brown Sugar/Wild Horses (not Bitch as the b side).