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Is it me or has anyone noticed/mentioned this before?
For the first minute of Goodnight Irene Keith's voice sounds like 70's Keith.
Could they sample old Keith to a new recording?
It's the key and the way he sings
Yeah, and it's totally different than the rest of the song and record.
That vocal bit sounds a bit brighter too, hence my sampling suspision.
Of course I don't mind it, just made me curious.
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Is it me or has anyone noticed/mentioned this before?
For the first minute of Goodnight Irene Keith's voice sounds like 70's Keith.
Could they sample old Keith to a new recording?
It's the key and the way he sings
Yeah, and it's totally different than the rest of the song and record.
That vocal bit sounds a bit brighter too, hence my sampling suspision.
Of course I don't mind it, just made me curious.
It's certainly possible to "sample" Keith's vocal but only if he had sung the same words, phrasing, etc. It's not like they have a sample of Keith's tone and timber from the 70's that they can call up and patch in to automatically make Keith's voice sound like it used to from years ago. But they can do things like change the entire key with a DSP program after the track has been cut, not that I think that was done here. I don't think this tune is anything other than a decent take from Keith with typical studio processing like EQ compression and reverb to make it sound the best they could.
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What I meant is that they had the exact take of Keith recorded in the 70's they wanted and they used it.
If they did, to which most of you disagree, it could be meant as just a joke from the producers.
It is unprobable, however it still sounds a lot different than the rest of vocals
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Good grief. The dude sounds a little different and now it's Watergate? COME ON. Goodnight Irene was recorded for CH just like the rest of the songs were. There's no sampling, there's no old recording...
Oh yeah, Naturalust, it's timbre, not timber... ha ha!
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Good grief. The dude sounds a little different and now it's Watergate? COME ON. Goodnight Irene was recorded for CH just like the rest of the songs were. There's no sampling, there's no old recording...
Oh yeah, Naturalust, it's timbre, not timber... ha ha!
Why so tense?
IF and only if they used a sample then it is just interesting. Nothing more.
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Good grief. The dude sounds a little different and now it's Watergate? COME ON. Goodnight Irene was recorded for CH just like the rest of the songs were. There's no sampling, there's no old recording...
Oh yeah, Naturalust, it's timbre, not timber... ha ha!
Why so tense?
IF and only if they used a sample then it is just interesting. Nothing more.
On what planet could anyone even consider the idea of thinking that Keith would do such a thing? Keith talked about recording it for CH and somehow that's ground for thinking he sampled himself? There is no if.
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What is the correct way, then, to sing into a microphone? Am I dense to think that means keep your mouth positioned steady over it? Thanks.
ETA: I googled it. I dunno, I'm starting to overthink. Basically, his history unfolded how it should have-
You are right 35love. A few simple techniques being the correct distance from the mic are the most important. Also things like increasing that distance when you are force to sing with more volume to either hit a high or particularly long or powerful note or doing the opposite to make it seem like you are actually holding long notes with the same relative volume (when in fact you lost the power earlier in the note). Not exhaling powerful breaths directly into the mic, etc etc.
Different type of mics also have very different qualities for vocals and the dynamic mics used for live performances are MUCH different than the large diaphragm condensers used in the studio and require different techniques. The latter pick up lots of detail and is why you get transients like hearing singers take breaths. Often left in the recordings to provide a sense of intimacy like on Keith's new record! Also of course in the studio there are many things done to make sure the vocal is great like multiple takes and excellent control of compression and EQ.
Anyway, the point is it generally takes practice to do it correctly, and while Mick is a master at it, Keith has been almost classic in his disregard for such techniques. So many times you see him run up to the mic at the last minute or leave the proximity of it early to concentrate on his guitar part or whatever. So many live recording of his vocal (even on his solo tunes) cutting in and out of the mix and this is the primary reason why, imo. Many times he even just backs off early and after an awkward moment Mick is left to finish the phrase for him. Lots of examples of this on Happy throughout the years.
The best vocalist are very aware of mic technique and most professional singers learn it early since it is such an important part of their craft. In any case I think alcohol probably had more to do with Rod's Face's mic techniques than anything else. lol He's definitely shown good mic skills since then in any case. You can witness him changing the distance from the mic during the softer and more powerful vocals in this video....if you can stand to get through it.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2015-10-31 06:05 by GS1978.
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I can't imagine old school Keith knowingly 'sampling' anything, except maybe a new variety of vodka and/or a new strain of California bud.
Other than that - sacrilege.
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GS1978
"Keith, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. You need a shotgun to get him in front of the mic.
He'll wander all over the place while singing, taking an attitude of 'You do your job, you record me.'"
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"Keith, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. You need a shotgun to get him in front of the mic.
He'll wander all over the place while singing, taking an attitude of 'You do your job, you record me.'"[/b][/i]
I love watching Keith's approach to the mic in concert, and have often wondered
if part of his skittishness is related to being electrocuted by one in 1965.
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"Keith, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. You need a shotgun to get him in front of the mic.
He'll wander all over the place while singing, taking an attitude of 'You do your job, you record me.'"[/b][/i]
I love watching Keith's approach to the mic in concert, and have often wondered
if part of his skittishness is related to being electrocuted by one in 1965.
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What era is Chris Kimsey talking about in that quote, NL? I ask because I think it's pretty obvious
that up to the mid-80s (more or less) Keith was a guitarist who also sang sometimes.
From the mid-80s on he started treating his vocal abilities more seriously,
and that's evolved him into a singer/guitarist. The difference is visible on stage and audible in the studio.
Even though his approach to the mic apparently still isn't up to your standards,
I wonder if a lot of people would rather have pro mic technique or be Keith Richards :E
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Naturalust
with sssoul you just love watching Keith do anything, admit it.
But skittish is a pretty good description and you actually may be onto something there!
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Turner68
When performing live, Keith still does the same thing with the mike, up to and including the date at the Apollo.
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Naturalust
Pretty classic quote of just what I was talking about for sure. Thanks for posting it GS1978! It certainly confirms that Keith's aversion to good mic technique isn't limited to his live performances. I think it may be improving a bit since we got such a decent recording of the vocals on his new record but who knows.
What is interesting about the quote is that is kind of shows that Keith may have never really taken his role as a vocalist very seriously. The microphone is such a key part of a vocalists performance that to say something like "You do your job, you record me" while he runs around is kind of flippant and silly, imo. Pretty frustrating for an engineer. I would have duct taped a mic to the mans face or something or given him a headset mic. LOL Kudos to Kimsey for whatever he did. I'm trying to think of a similar analogy for his guitar playing which he obviously does take very seriously, perhaps 'you plug me in, tune my guitar and set my amp up". Oh wait he probably has people to do all that too. Spoiled brat. LOL
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When using a condenser mic in the studio, it is best to keep some 40 cm distance between the singer and the mic. If the singer is very close to the mic, every little movement is noticeable. Some singers tend to get too close to the mic and engineers have their own tricks to keep them away. One of them is a pop filter.
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Keith uses the mic the very same way he plays guitar, writes songs or produces songs. Rough, unpolished and just the way I like it