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crumbling_mice
SHouldn't have to pay anything for it, either to listen or download...unless they are passing on the profits to the artists.
This is a fully legal and legit site, they are doing nothing shady here, this is part of the Bill Graham archive. If you listen to these you can tell they are the raw board tapes right from the BGP vault. They have many major artists on here. Plus paying $29.99 for unlimited high quality streaming for a year is hardly unreasonable given the wealth of content they offer. This isn't like walking into a used CD shop in 1995 and paying $40 bucks for one bootleg Stones show on CD. The hilarious thing is that they are so lazy now they just upload the entire reels or DATs they find in the vault as one giant file and ask the fans to send them the track listings.Quote
crumbling_mice
SHouldn't have to pay anything for it, either to listen or download...unless they are passing on the profits to the artists.
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This used to be free without having to register. Didn't realise they had changed it.
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pmk251
In 1972 the band played at Winterland. I would be very surprised if those shows were NOT recorded by BG, but nothing has yet surfaced. I am still hoping.....
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That's the way Internet works first it's for free and if it gets too popular you'll have to pay for it
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pmk251
In 1972 the band played at Winterland. I would be very surprised if those shows were NOT recorded by BG, but nothing has yet surfaced. I am still hoping.....
Really, I hear you. They were recorded and filmed for close circuit TV and over the years Graham would occasionally screen them for Winterland audiences waiting for other shows to start. That was the SOP with Winterland shows. Graham would always show old shows on the big screen as the audience filtered in and waited. But who knows where those Stones 72 shows are now and when, if ever, we will get to hear them.
You know when Wolfgang's vault started I was hopeful that we would get the Stones 72 shows. but I have pretty much given up now. Wolffangg's vault just seems to release the crappy shows that we have no interest in listeing to or that have already been releasesd in one form or another.
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pmk251
In 1972 the band played at Winterland. I would be very surprised if those shows were NOT recorded by BG, but nothing has yet surfaced. I am still hoping.....
Really, I hear you. They were recorded and filmed for close circuit TV and over the years Graham would occasionally screen them for Winterland audiences waiting for other shows to start. That was the SOP with Winterland shows. Graham would always show old shows on the big screen as the audience filtered in and waited. But who knows where those Stones 72 shows are now and when, if ever, we will get to hear them.
You know when Wolfgang's vault started I was hopeful that we would get the Stones 72 shows. but I have pretty much given up now. Wolffangg's vault just seems to release the crappy shows that we have no interest in listeing to or that have already been releasesd in one form or another.
There's some stuff that is obviously not in their hands or at least control. The Oakland 1969 2nd show soundboard for example - partly broadcasted, introduced by Bill Graham, even mentioning "...we recorded it on 8-track...", but just like Winterland, it hasn't shown up so far.
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pmk251
In 1972 the band played at Winterland. I would be very surprised if those shows were NOT recorded by BG, but nothing has yet surfaced. I am still hoping.....
Really, I hear you. They were recorded and filmed for close circuit TV and over the years Graham would occasionally screen them for Winterland audiences waiting for other shows to start. That was the SOP with Winterland shows. Graham would always show old shows on the big screen as the audience filtered in and waited. But who knows where those Stones 72 shows are now and when, if ever, we will get to hear them.
You know when Wolfgang's vault started I was hopeful that we would get the Stones 72 shows. but I have pretty much given up now. Wolffangg's vault just seems to release the crappy shows that we have no interest in listeing to or that have already been releasesd in one form or another.
There's some stuff that is obviously not in their hands or at least control. The Oakland 1969 2nd show soundboard for example - partly broadcasted, introduced by Bill Graham, even mentioning "...we recorded it on 8-track...", but just like Winterland, it hasn't shown up so far.
Yes, I wonder about the 69 shows as well, knowing the soundboard which is quite good. I imagine that the guy who bought the archives some years ago and who now runs Wolfgang's Vault probably has this stuff but the Stones won't allow him to release it.
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pmk251
In 1972 the band played at Winterland. I would be very surprised if those shows were NOT recorded by BG, but nothing has yet surfaced. I am still hoping.....
Really, I hear you. They were recorded and filmed for close circuit TV and over the years Graham would occasionally screen them for Winterland audiences waiting for other shows to start. That was the SOP with Winterland shows. Graham would always show old shows on the big screen as the audience filtered in and waited. But who knows where those Stones 72 shows are now and when, if ever, we will get to hear them.
You know when Wolfgang's vault started I was hopeful that we would get the Stones 72 shows. but I have pretty much given up now. Wolffangg's vault just seems to release the crappy shows that we have no interest in listeing to or that have already been releasesd in one form or another.
There's some stuff that is obviously not in their hands or at least control. The Oakland 1969 2nd show soundboard for example - partly broadcasted, introduced by Bill Graham, even mentioning "...we recorded it on 8-track...", but just like Winterland, it hasn't shown up so far.
Yes, I wonder about the 69 shows as well, knowing the soundboard which is quite good. I imagine that the guy who bought the archives some years ago and who now runs Wolfgang's Vault probably has this stuff but the Stones won't allow him to release it.
Bill Graham not only tape (audio) recorded the 69 Show but he also video taped the show. As you know some of the audio from that show was bootleged. I tried to track the Video tape down, but what I was lead to believe from looking was the video was either lost in the big fire Graham had many years back (he lost lots & lots of stuff from that fire) or it was stolen. Ethan Russell's photo book has a photo of that show and you can see the video camera on stage video taping the show. As far as a 72 S.F. Board show goes, it was recorded "sound board" but only two or three songs ever surfaced "Soundboard" as far as I know. The rest probably exist but has yet to surface. But what I do know is there is lots of footage from the Stones 78 show from S.F. in the vaults, that has yet to come out, so who know when it will come out.
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VideoJames
"Those three songs from Winterland 72 that are supposedly soundboard are in fact not. You see them listed on boots occassionally but they are always the same songs from an audience tape of the show. The Winterland shows were also video-taped and I can remember at least one occasion when they were shown at Winterland prior to another show. This was back in the mid to late 70s".
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I have some boot L.P.'s from the Winterland Show, that are "good" quality but definetly not "board".
But before any boots from that show ever came out I got a 'reel to reel' tape of only 2/3 songs from Winterland, I believe they were the last three songs of the set. Are those the ones you are speaking of?? The quality of those were definetly not from the audience, if they are, they used the best microphones ever. I will have to dig them up again and give them a listen, if I recall though there was no audience sounds during and in between the songs. I wonder what happened to the 72 Winterland videos, do you recall how many cameras they use for that show. How much of the video from the 72 Winterland show did they show when you saw it (1 song,5 songs the whole show?) Thanks for your reply
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VideoJames
"Those three songs from Winterland 72 that are supposedly soundboard are in fact not. You see them listed on boots occassionally but they are always the same songs from an audience tape of the show. The Winterland shows were also video-taped and I can remember at least one occasion when they were shown at Winterland prior to another show. This was back in the mid to late 70s".
tornnfrayed
I have some boot L.P.'s from the Winterland Show, that are "good" quality but definetly not "board".
But before any boots from that show ever came out I got a 'reel to reel' tape of only 2/3 songs from Winterland, I believe they were the last three songs of the set. Are those the ones you are speaking of?? The quality of those were definetly not from the audience, if they are, they used the best microphones ever. I will have to dig them up again and give them a listen, if I recall though there was no audience sounds during and in between the songs. I wonder what happened to the 72 Winterland videos, do you recall how many cameras they use for that show. How much of the video from the 72 Winterland show did they show when you saw it (1 song,5 songs the whole show?) Thanks for your reply
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dcba
What I find puzzling is they have 89 and 94 shows in the vaults, that is shows that took place after Graham was kicked out of the Stones circus and replaced by Cohl.
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What I find puzzling is they have 89 and 94 shows in the vaults, that is shows that took place after Graham was kicked out of the Stones circus and replaced by Cohl.
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mnewman505
they keep adding shows every few months and on many they are too lazy to do the track breaks but these are superb mostly unedited off the soundboard..I pay $29.99/yr to listen to their entire vault, it's worth it in my eyes as they have tons of other major artists. i stream them while at work.
just listened to:
CNE Stadium, Toronto 9/3/89, never heard that one before, solid show.
full list of Stones shows here:
[www.concertvault.com]