Brian or Keith? Have alway's wondered about this, listened to the song today and thought someone here would know. The other guitar part (rhythm chords) is SO powerful!

I always thought Brian as the rhythm playing seems all Keith and that lick is a similar type of thing to whatBrian did with "The Last Time" although nowhere near as pronounced.

Pretty heavy handed playing by that chord thrashing heading into the chorus. I think Townshend may owe a little more to Keith than his famed windmill action.

Brian playing 12 string Rickenbacker.

It's always Keith if it rock.

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It's always Keith if it rock.

Its not Keith. It's Brian like His Majesty says.

yes, I've wondered this too. The 12 string makes sense because there's a certain twang to it. Wish we had a good live video of Brian playing it.

During The Bigger Bang tour Keith was doing the single note licks. He was playing the lick on the second string along with an open E to get that 12 string effect.. During the 50th anniversary shows. keith did The Rhythm chords and Ronnie played Brians parts on a 12 string.

It's only miming, but we see round 1:15 that it is indeed Brian's part:

Here is wide stereo version. You can everything.

Wonderfully raucous noise live with some additional lead bits by Brian on 12 string. The combination of Keith's guitar and Bill's bass is like a sonic juggernaut.

Dig the bars right before Mick starts singing Yesterdays Papers, Bill's grooving bassline and Keith's ace slashing chords.





Charlie only had one overhead mic on his kit, he must have been walloping those drums real hard.

@#$%& ace band! The real deal! ><



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Man I wish we had the complete 1967 concerts in high def for our viewing pleasure...

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Man I wish we had the complete 1967 concerts in high def for our viewing pleasure...

Oh yes! Paris Olympia especially!

Frustrating to know that there are some filmed Olympia performances of others from around that time.











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We need a proper live album from the 60s, covering the beginning to 1967. There are so many gems just buried under their 60s image. Im thinking more DOncha bother me, Rooster, LAst time, PIB etc

They played Dontcha Bother Me live?

PIB live in 1966 is ace, Brian's off beat stabbing distored rhythm guitar which is similar to the acoustic on the studio version.







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And Keith's guitar is very different as well.

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And Keith's guitar is very different as well.

Oh yes, more ace!

Man, would have loved to see them back in the early 60s in some Gaumont theatre. Rough and pure, no real light show, no PA, Amps sitting on a chair with Mick singing through the in house sound system.That's the real deal.

Sorry I'm lost. Who's playing the riff on PIB Hawaii? I thought Brian played it on the studio version on sitar yes?

Just that your comment "Brian's off beat stabbing distored rhythm guitar" His Majesty leads me to think Brian's on rhythm therefore Keith riffing?

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Sorry I'm lost. Who's playing the riff on PIB Hawaii? I thought Brian played it on the studio version on sitar yes?

Just that your comment "Brian's off beat stabbing distored rhythm guitar" His Majesty leads me to think Brian's on rhythm therefore Keith riffing?

Keith, but it's hard to tell whether both are playing the riff, because of the recording quality. The off-beat thing is more evident before the riffs.

If memory serves, there is an electric guitar underneath the sitar in the mix, playing the riff on the studio version as well? If so, that's probably Keith.

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Sorry I'm lost. Who's playing the riff on PIB Hawaii? I thought Brian played it on the studio version on sitar yes?

Just that your comment "Brian's off beat stabbing distored rhythm guitar" His Majesty leads me to think Brian's on rhythm therefore Keith riffing?

Keith is picking out the melody from chords he's playing and Brian is playing the stabbing chords.

Keith plays, in a more restrained and tidier way, much the same on the studio version, I think it's fair to assume Brian plays one of the acoustics doing the stabbing rhythm on the record as well as sitar.

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Keith, but it's hard to tell whether both are playing the riff, because of the recording quality. The off-beat thing is more evident before the riffs.

If memory serves, there is an electric guitar underneath the sitar in the mix, playing the riff on the studio version as well? If so, that's probably Keith.

The stabbing guitar continues during the verses.

On the record it's kinda more a case of the sitar being below the clean electric guitar Only really playing the basic melody during verses and nothing during the chorus. The clean electric plays all the way through.

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Keith, but it's hard to tell whether both are playing the riff, because of the recording quality. The off-beat thing is more evident before the riffs.

If memory serves, there is an electric guitar underneath the sitar in the mix, playing the riff on the studio version as well? If so, that's probably Keith.

The stabbing guitar continues during the verses.

On the record it's kinda more a case of the sitar being below the clean electric guitar Only really playing the basic melody during verses and nothing during the chorus. The clean electric plays all the way through.

You may be right about the studio version, although I think it's mixed pretty well, so you won't hear it so clear throughout.

I've never heard a live version with the "stabbing" all the way through, though.

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I've never heard a live version with the "stabbing" all the way through, though.

Aside from the obvious break in the middle, the one I posted has it.

They are essentially following the studio version minus the sitar, so Brian is playing the stabbing rhythm, off beat during verses to on and off the beat during chorus.



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Yes I see and thanks for the explanation fellas.

PIB sounded raw and exciting and Charlie sounds as tho he'd just snorted meth as the opening riff was being played given the timing diff between it and the drums coming in hahaha. Great stuff!

Be brilliant to have a triple cd come out of their stage work from 63-67. We can live in hope

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I think it's fair to assume Brian plays one of the acoustics doing the stabbing rhythm on the record as well as sitar.

Yes, according to Bill´s "Rolling With The Stones", Brian plays acoustic guitar as well as sitar (with Keith on electric guitar) on the studio recording of Paint It Black.



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I've never heard a live version with the "stabbing" all the way through, though.

Aside from the obvious break in the middle, the one I posted has it.

They are essentially following the studio version minus the sitar, so Brian is playing the stabbing rhythm, off beat during verses to on and off the beat during chorus.

And in the ending? I hear triads there. Well, they're sort of stabbings as well



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I think it's fair to assume Brian plays one of the acoustics doing the stabbing rhythm on the record as well as sitar.

Yes, according to Bill´s "Rolling With The Stones", Brian plays acoustic guitar as well as sitar (with Keith on electric guitar) on the studio recording of Paint It Black.

There are two on the record, Keith probably plays the other one which is kinda supporting the melody.

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And in the ending?

You got it.



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