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Ventilator Blues is one of my favourite Exile tracks.

It's affa good.

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What it is, this affa?

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crholmstrom
I saw the Scottish band Frightened Rabbit recently. They were pretty good. Someone observed that there isn't anything much more entertaining than listening to Scottish people cuss! In my defence, I have some Scottish ancestry.

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DandelionPowderman
<Jagger and Richards are not particularly famous for being generious in sharing credits>

And the more people like us speculate about that, without actual knowledge, the bigger the villains they get

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Silver Dagger
The song has got swamp rock written all over it. It's low down, sleazy and you can almost feel the humidity at Nellcote with moisture slowly dripping down the walls of that dank basement. And boy, do I wish I'd been there whilst they were recording. I bet no good was going on. Heh heh!

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It looks to me that Taylor's credit on this was a kind of random recognition of his contributions to the songs by Mick and Keith. The man himself has been wondering why on earth he got credit for that one, even though I have never heard did he feel like he deserved it or not. Those who believe in that the Rolling Stones live in a perfect world where justice is always done and the credition is correspondence to reality, might think that he actually wrote the riff, and Richards just played it. Could be, but I don't think they did too many notes during those Nellcote sessions about who did and what, so by the time they were writing credits - including the inner sleeves, not the most accurate ones, which pretty much reflect the hectic nature of making the record - probably in L.A, I can easily imagine that Mick and Keith were not too accurate in this one, either. So I tend to think it is just a "collective" recognition of Taylor's involvement in songs making process. Or they just remembered the song wrong... "Mick, do you remember which song Mick had a strong hand in writing, you know, suggesting some stuff". "No, Keith, I probably wasn't even there. But yeah, I guess he did some stuff... Okay, let's say it's "Ventilator Blues", since it is not any single material anyhow ". "Haha, yeah, let's give him that one - even if I recall right it was based on Bobby's riff... Shit, who cares!"

- Doxa

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<but Mick Taylor remained screwed until their recent 21012-3 engagements>

yes, you need knowledge - before you accuse people for committing a crime...

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I saw the Scottish band Frightened Rabbit recently. They were pretty good. Someone observed that there isn't anything much more entertaining than listening to Scottish people cuss! In my defence, I have some Scottish ancestry.

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latebloomer
Ventilator Blues holds a special place for me as it is the song that hooked my teen son into the Stones. He never paid much attention to Exile when I had it on in the car, but that opening riff really caught his attention. "What's that song, Mom? Play that song again."...over and over again, I would play it for him. Now he has the whole album on his ipod, plus many others and I finally have someone in the family to share my Stones obsession. Right now, his favorite is Ya Ya's.

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<Jagger and Richards are not particularly famous for being generious in sharing credits>

And the more people like us speculate about that, without actual knowledge, the bigger the villains they get

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<Jagger and Richards are not particularly famous for being generious in sharing credits>

And the more people like us speculate about that, without actual knowledge, the bigger the villains they get

Yes Dandy, but the fact remains there is simply nothing Doxa or Triceratops etc could add here, even they wrote it in a thousand posts, that would expand the notion that the Glimmers could be unfair with song writing as Keith's musings in LIFE on Jagger's appropriation on Anybody Seen my Baby. Can't quote it now, but Keith has to prattle on along the lines, of "Mick has done it again" [paraphrasing], as if HE [Jagger] must do it frequently. No examples offered by Keith at this point though. He just leaves the matter hanging there. And, too, no mention of how the same might apply for Satisfaction of course....

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I even like Charlie´s beat more...

Yeah, very odd beat. Pretty unlike Charlie, isn't it?

Bobby Keys wrote the rhythm part, which is the clever part of the song. Bobby said, Why don't you do this? and I said, I can't play that, so Bobby stood next to clapping the thing and I just followed his timing. In the world of Take Five, it's nothing, but it threw me completely and Bobby just stood there and clapped while we were doing the track - and we've never quite got it together as well as that. - Charlie Watts.

(From timeisonourside.com)

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I even like Charlie´s beat more...

Yeah, very odd beat. Pretty unlike Charlie, isn't it?

Bobby Keys wrote the rhythm part, which is the clever part of the song. Bobby said, Why don't you do this? and I said, I can't play that, so Bobby stood next to clapping the thing and I just followed his timing. In the world of Take Five, it's nothing, but it threw me completely and Bobby just stood there and clapped while we were doing the track - and we've never quite got it together as well as that. - Charlie Watts.

(From timeisonourside.com)

Another nail in the coffin! Is there any of the great, well known Stones drum intros/ grooves that really came from Charlie? And whats difficult about it? Its a bit uncommen. Thats all.
I started drumming because of him in late 60's/YaYa times - but over the years and the more you learn it gets harder and harder . .

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As a matter of fact, thanks to Keith's book and the ASMB incident, we now have blogs like this one. Consider this quote for a moment:

<< As far as Mick Jagger is concerned, Keith tells that his band mate is not capable of writing a song or even a melody by himself. If we pay close attention, doesn’t Constant Craving from K.D.Lang have the same melody as the Stones’ hit Anybody Seen My Baby? A little after 1997 when Anybody was written and composed ( Constant Craving was released at around ‘92), Keith relentlessly tried to convince Mick to credit Lang for Anybody Seen My Baby. The legend says, or the autobiography says, that Mick Jagger tends to listen to other artists materials and years later compose something really close or identical to what he had heard years before, without having any clue on his wrong doing. Or at least saying that he does not do it on purpose. >>

[blablablanyc.blogspot.com]

But of course, according to Bill Wyman, in Stone Alone, it really only takes about 30 minutes, not "years before" for Jagger to forget where he heard an idea, and then appropriate it as his own.

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I even like Charlie´s beat more...

Yeah, very odd beat. Pretty unlike Charlie, isn't it?

Bobby Keys wrote the rhythm part, which is the clever part of the song. Bobby said, Why don't you do this? and I said, I can't play that, so Bobby stood next to clapping the thing and I just followed his timing. In the world of Take Five, it's nothing, but it threw me completely and Bobby just stood there and clapped while we were doing the track - and we've never quite got it together as well as that. - Charlie Watts.

(From timeisonourside.com)

Another nail in the coffin! Is there any of the great, well known Stones drum intros/ grooves that really came from Charlie? And whats difficult about it? Its a bit uncommen. Thats all.
I started drumming because of him in late 60's/YaYa times - but over the years and the more you learn it gets harder and harder . .

This groove came from Keith and his riff. It's a natural.

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However, here we discussed VB, and the fact that there are some vague quotes about Taylor being surprised of getting credit for this tune doesn't mean anything, imo.

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As a matter of fact, thanks to Keith's book and the ASMB incident, we now have blogs like this one. Consider this quote for a moment:

<< As far as Mick Jagger is concerned, Keith tells that his band mate is not capable of writing a song or even a melody by himself. If we pay close attention, doesn’t Constant Craving from K.D.Lang have the same melody as the Stones’ hit Anybody Seen My Baby? A little after 1997 when Anybody was written and composed ( Constant Craving was released at around ‘92), Keith relentlessly tried to convince Mick to credit Lang for Anybody Seen My Baby. The legend says, or the autobiography says, that Mick Jagger tends to listen to other artists materials and years later compose something really close or identical to what he had heard years before, without having any clue on his wrong doing. Or at least saying that he does not do it on purpose. >>

[blablablanyc.blogspot.com]

But of course, according to Bill Wyman, in Stone Alone, it really only takes about 30 minutes, not "years before" for Jagger to forget where he heard an idea, and then appropriate it as his own.

This just proves my point. Keith didn't write anything like that ("not capable of writing a song or even a melody by himself" ). It's not a quote.

It's because we have people stretching the truth we have discussions like this, in a thread about a song where they actually gave away credits (see the paradox )