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Mickey Mouse?????
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Mickey Mouse?????
Great they let Darryl do the noodling.
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MileHigh
There was some recent Mick Jagger interview where he said that he could never write and release a song like Brown Sugar nowadays. The lyrics being too racy and all that. Can you imagine trying to release a song like Stray Cat Blues? (Although, on second thought you have bands like Marilyn Manson and all that creepy stuff.)
The original Stray Cat Blues is unique in many ways and it rocks and it's dangerous.
The GYYYO Stray Cat Blues is a great version also, but it almost makes me want to cry. And I think that that's the meaning that Mick wanted to get across in the live version. Sort of like "compensation" for the Beggar's Banquet version.
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kleermaker
I just compared them again and what strikes me is that the tempo of the live version is exactly right whereas the tempo of the studio version is a bit too fast. Secondly that the end of the studio version does remind me of Their Satanic. Strange how the song ends. Very abruptly.
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kleermaker
I just compared them again and what strikes me is that the tempo of the live version is exactly right whereas the tempo of the studio version is a bit too fast. Secondly that the end of the studio version does remind me of Their Satanic. Strange how the song ends. Very abruptly.
I like both versions, as well as both tempos. However, the drama in the studio version seems unsurpassable to me - hence I found it baffling that you thought the live version was more dramatic.
Then again, that's one of the reasons why music is so exciting; we hear different things, and get our kicks out of different things
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kleermaker
Yes we certainly do. But I love live music much more than studio music, which has something artificial to me, even though our friend His M. compares studio music with a painting. Live music, it's already in the word live.
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kleermaker
Yes we certainly do. But I love live music much more than studio music, which has something artificial to me, even though our friend His M. compares studio music with a painting. Live music, it's already in the word live.
All recorded music has something artifical to it.
Live music is something completely of the moment, something which is unique to every individual that is present as the music unfolds. It's something that is gone forever as each moment passes.
Recorded live music is not really live music.
Ya-Ya's is quite artificial because it claims to be and is presented as being something it isn't.
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
Those meds really have @#$%& with your head.
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
Those meds really have @#$%& with your head.
I guess kleerie isn't too crazy about Keith wiping Taylor's rhythm guitar off LQ either
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
Those meds really have @#$%& with your head.
I guess kleerie isn't too crazy about Keith wiping Taylor's rhythm guitar off LQ either
who is , really, since there's nothing wrong with it in the first place!
the same with the vocals on every track ,(MR LIV proves the point)
imagine the HTW with the girl crashing the stage being the track on the album, would have been great,unique ,live is live.
still , it is still my favourite album.
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Mickey Mouse?????
Great they let Darryl do the noodling.
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DandelionPowderman
Mickey Mouse?????
Great they let Darryl do the noodling.
The bass solo is too busy and jazzy. I miss Bill here. A lot.
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Aquamarine
Dunno about stupid, how about realistic.
A lot of bands of this era had songs in a similar vein.
nah, its just stupid. all those 'similiar vein' songs are stupid.
'realistic'? please. if jagger (or any rock star) banged a 13 year old, he's an @#$%&. if i were her dad, i'd of gleefully wrung his scrawny neck
jagger put in in there for hype and effect, not 'reality'
he's not a nut
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Aquamarine
Dunno about stupid, how about realistic.
A lot of bands of this era had songs in a similar vein.
nah, its just stupid. all those 'similiar vein' songs are stupid.
'realistic'? please. if jagger (or any rock star) banged a 13 year old, he's an @#$%&. if i were her dad, i'd of gleefully wrung his scrawny neck
jagger put in in there for hype and effect, not 'reality'
he's not a nut
oh,thats funny-you obviously werent around back then.many of the girls i went to jr high school with would dress up in outfits that would give parents a friggin heart attack-i'm talking fishnets,high heels and go backstage.the world was younger then-sorry it doesnt fit todays moral code but thats how it was.
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Aquamarine
OK, well, I'm not following a lot of your argument here (starting with, lem motlow and I don't seem to be contradicting each other--I agree with him), and my original point was just that while the song might offend your sensibilities (i.e. the behavior described as "stupid," etc.), it was nevertheless a genuine picture of stuff that genuinely did go on. That's all. You seem to be the only one discussing its relative morality.
So I'm out.
Terrific song, anyway!
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pinkfloydthebarber
gosh
and at a certain point in time, it was OK to own slaves and beat them up
Actually, treating slaves badly was a crime.
Anyway, in my time it was legal to have sex with a 13 year old. And I am half as old as Jagger.
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You take a song like this, which is probably like the 4th or 5th or even 6th best song on the album, (hard to pick from this lot .... SFM, SFTD, No Expectations, Prodigal Son, Salt of The Earth, Jigsaw Puzzle, Factory Girl, Dear Doctor - I mean, what is the weakest song on the album?) and put it on anything after 1983 and it becomes the best song on any of those latter day albums.
I think that just screams how good the song is, how good the other songs during that period were, and how good they were as creative artists during that period.
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
Those meds really have @#$%& with your head.
I guess kleerie isn't too crazy about Keith wiping Taylor's rhythm guitar off LQ either
who is , really, since there's nothing wrong with it in the first place!
the same with the vocals on every track ,(MR LIV proves the point)
imagine the HTW with the girl crashing the stage being the track on the album, would have been great,unique ,live is live.
still , it is still my favourite album.
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kleermaker
I know about the many vocal overdubs. A weak point indeed.
Those meds really have @#$%& with your head.
I guess kleerie isn't too crazy about Keith wiping Taylor's rhythm guitar off LQ either
who is , really, since there's nothing wrong with it in the first place!
the same with the vocals on every track ,(MR LIV proves the point)
imagine the HTW with the girl crashing the stage being the track on the album, would have been great,unique ,live is live.
still , it is still my favourite album.
Concerning the vocals -if you listen to the audience tapes of MSG I can understand Jagger wanted to replace the lead vocals on several songs. He does sound out of breath at places, and he does sing out of tune here and there.
Take the GS HTW for example. On the chorus both Richards and Jagger don't reach the high notes precisely, rendering it not comepletely out of tune, but just a bit off, something you would not want to release on a live album. Same for the GS JJF: Taylor is out of tune for the first minute and would have needed overdubbing if you want to use it on an album, and Jagger's 'it's alright' during the verses is also off.
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i m not saying the song offends my sensibilities. i m saying jagger wrote it purposely to provoke the social norms of the times, to which the rock and roll lifestyle did not conform
what i mean by 'stupid' is the lyrical content of the track IS stupid - underage sex - is stupid like how jaggers lyrics in 'dancing with mr d' are insipidly stupid, when he tried to push the whole spooky devil crap for a little too long