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But money? Mick Taylor's contribution to the coffers of the RS is immeasurable. His artistry priceless. This is now becoming widely understood.
What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
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I've known plenty of rock stars and many of them are super stingy, I once was on line at a deli with a rock star guitarist client who had a pile of groceries, I had a Snickers Bar, he whispered to the cashier "separate". . I never saw Mick or Keith act that way for a second, towards anyone, I can't speak for the really big money but for day to day stuff they always threw down and were easily the most generous rock band I ever knew.
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I've known plenty of rock stars and many of them are super stingy, I once was on line at a deli with a rock star guitarist client who had a pile of groceries, I had a Snickers Bar, he whispered to the cashier "separate".
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I've known plenty of rock stars and many of them are super stingy, I once was on line at a deli with a rock star guitarist client who had a pile of groceries, I had a Snickers Bar, he whispered to the cashier "separate".
Sorry but I guess I hit a wall with my English... (seriously). What did you mean? that the guy was generous or petty? Thanks.
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I've known plenty of rock stars and many of them are super stingy, I once was on line at a deli with a rock star guitarist client who had a pile of groceries, I had a Snickers Bar, he whispered to the cashier "separate".
Sorry but I guess I hit a wall with my English... (seriously). What did you mean? that the guy was generous or petty? Thanks.
Doom was with said rock star and the rock star whispered "seperate" as in rockstar will pay for their own groceries, doom will pay for the snickers bar.
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
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....he started out in sneakers then the ended the tour in blue suede shoes ....
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
Actually I do not assume anything of the kind. Though I might ask you how you can assume they did compensate him generously?
As this thread topic was intended to discuss the recent tour, not overall compensation for the last few decades, I'm afraid I have muddied the water a little by suggesting they owe him much more than they could ever repay. In other words, as has been suggested here and elsewhere, that this reunion tour for MT is an opportunity to compensate him for any legal claim to back royalties owed. But that notion is based on persistent rumors that he was written out of royalties after he left the band when the RS changed their business plan, yaddayaddaya. I do not know for sure, but it appears that MT would be enjoying a different lifestyle if he had secured a consistent, healthy cash flow that matched his contributions to the band, which include royalties for playing on songs songs (let alone the songwriting credits he was promised) on some of the greatest-selling records of all time.
To summarize, no assumptions -- just hypotheticals, based on info gleaned here, which is rife with rumor and innuendo. I would not be chiming in if I did not care about these guys and hope that they work it out to everyone's satisfaction -- they owe it to themselves to do so, rock star ego trips aside.
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Everything we have seen and read about his situation supports this assumption.
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Mick is notoriously cheap; there are a lot of statements from others, eg Jerry Hall, Marsha Hunt, Marshall Chess and Jeff Beck, documenting this. No idea about Keith, but presumably he goes along with Mick.
I suspect Mick Taylor got paid at the same level the other guests did, and they are pretty big stars. And he will probably get royalties from any recordings from the concerts.
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It's pretty safe to assume that pre-2012 concerts, MT was not being compensated for any prior RS work. Everything we have seen and read about his situation supports this assumption. The RS are not a charity. We just have to hope that MT's agent negotiated a good deal for him, considering that his participation was a big selling point for these concerts.
Edited to add: [www.dailymail.co.uk]
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
Actually I do not assume anything of the kind. Though I might ask you how you can assume they did compensate him generously?
As this thread topic was intended to discuss the recent tour, not overall compensation for the last few decades, I'm afraid I have muddied the water a little by suggesting they owe him much more than they could ever repay. In other words, as has been suggested here and elsewhere, that this reunion tour for MT is an opportunity to compensate him for any legal claim to back royalties owed. But that notion is based on persistent rumors that he was written out of royalties after he left the band when the RS changed their business plan, yaddayaddaya. I do not know for sure, but it appears that MT would be enjoying a different lifestyle if he had secured a consistent, healthy cash flow that matched his contributions to the band, which include royalties for playing on songs songs (let alone the songwriting credits he was promised) on some of the greatest-selling records of all time.
To summarize, no assumptions -- just hypotheticals, based on info gleaned here, which is rife with rumor and innuendo. I would not be chiming in if I did not care about these guys and hope that they work it out to everyone's satisfaction -- they owe it to themselves to do so, rock star ego trips aside.
If they hadn't, he wouldn't have done it. Simple as that. MT is not a child.
All I'm saying is that it's more likely that he is well-compensated on this tour, than not.
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
Actually I do not assume anything of the kind. Though I might ask you how you can assume they did compensate him generously?
As this thread topic was intended to discuss the recent tour, not overall compensation for the last few decades, I'm afraid I have muddied the water a little by suggesting they owe him much more than they could ever repay. In other words, as has been suggested here and elsewhere, that this reunion tour for MT is an opportunity to compensate him for any legal claim to back royalties owed. But that notion is based on persistent rumors that he was written out of royalties after he left the band when the RS changed their business plan, yaddayaddaya. I do not know for sure, but it appears that MT would be enjoying a different lifestyle if he had secured a consistent, healthy cash flow that matched his contributions to the band, which include royalties for playing on songs songs (let alone the songwriting credits he was promised) on some of the greatest-selling records of all time.
To summarize, no assumptions -- just hypotheticals, based on info gleaned here, which is rife with rumor and innuendo. I would not be chiming in if I did not care about these guys and hope that they work it out to everyone's satisfaction -- they owe it to themselves to do so, rock star ego trips aside.
If they hadn't, he wouldn't have done it. Simple as that. MT is not a child.
All I'm saying is that it's more likely that he is well-compensated on this tour, than not.
More than likely you are right! And that's cool cause I certainly do not take Mick Taylor to be a child that might agree to anything less than what he deserves. My point about RS compensating him "generously" on this tour is specifically in reference to the widespread, historical understanding that he got shafted from his proper allocation of credits/royalties from the notoriously tightfisted RS, which, in the wisdom of their richer-than-god, sobered-up, grateful and gracious hindsight, might justify an extra "bump," as has been suggested by others.
I would hope their reputation was not really as bad as it sounds, but the prevailing opinion is that it is that bad. Taylor, the Golden Child of the brief but Golden Years, does not appear to be enjoying financial fruits commensurate with his contribution towards the fortunes of the RS. Don't know the details but it does seem obvious something is not right.
I am really happy to hear your confidence that he is getting his due this time. If it were up to ME, I would add "and then some," but so would anyone else who appreciates his music. No doubt just being there was a bonus for MT (and as I've indicated earlier perhaps for him, even more significant than money; this does not make him a child btw) but that is besides the point, and might dilute the significance of a dollar amount, if you are a savvy haggler.
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What a joke to withhold from Mick Taylor. Jagger/Richards with all their excessive millions, have it on their heads to make it right. Greed -- for what else could it be? negligence? -- is their messed up karma, not his.
How do you know they're not paying him every cent he deserves? (And everyone will have a different opinion of what that is, but let's just say every cent HE feels he deserves.) There seems to be an assumption that he's being underpaid, whereas I've seen no proof of that.
Sorry Aquamarine, you misunderstand my point. I do not mean to disparage the RS or assert that they are not doing the right thing by MT. Just stating that they would be foolish NOT to compensate him generously, in recognition of his considerable contribution toward building their assets.
But why even assume that they didn't compensate him generously? Of course they did.
Actually I do not assume anything of the kind. Though I might ask you how you can assume they did compensate him generously?
As this thread topic was intended to discuss the recent tour, not overall compensation for the last few decades, I'm afraid I have muddied the water a little by suggesting they owe him much more than they could ever repay. In other words, as has been suggested here and elsewhere, that this reunion tour for MT is an opportunity to compensate him for any legal claim to back royalties owed. But that notion is based on persistent rumors that he was written out of royalties after he left the band when the RS changed their business plan, yaddayaddaya. I do not know for sure, but it appears that MT would be enjoying a different lifestyle if he had secured a consistent, healthy cash flow that matched his contributions to the band, which include royalties for playing on songs songs (let alone the songwriting credits he was promised) on some of the greatest-selling records of all time.
To summarize, no assumptions -- just hypotheticals, based on info gleaned here, which is rife with rumor and innuendo. I would not be chiming in if I did not care about these guys and hope that they work it out to everyone's satisfaction -- they owe it to themselves to do so, rock star ego trips aside.
If they hadn't, he wouldn't have done it. Simple as that. MT is not a child.
All I'm saying is that it's more likely that he is well-compensated on this tour, than not.
More than likely you are right! And that's cool cause I certainly do not take Mick Taylor to be a child that might agree to anything less than what he deserves. My point about RS compensating him "generously" on this tour is specifically in reference to the widespread, historical understanding that he got shafted from his proper allocation of credits/royalties from the notoriously tightfisted RS, which, in the wisdom of their richer-than-god, sobered-up, grateful and gracious hindsight, might justify an extra "bump," as has been suggested by others.
I would hope their reputation was not really as bad as it sounds, but the prevailing opinion is that it is that bad. Taylor, the Golden Child of the brief but Golden Years, does not appear to be enjoying financial fruits commensurate with his contribution towards the fortunes of the RS. Don't know the details but it does seem obvious something is not right.
I am really happy to hear your confidence that he is getting his due this time. If it were up to ME, I would add "and then some," but so would anyone else who appreciates his music. No doubt just being there was a bonus for MT (and as I've indicated earlier perhaps for him, even more significant than money; this does not make him a child btw) but that is besides the point, and might dilute the significance of a dollar amount, if you are a savvy haggler.
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So Woody became a member not until 1993, after having 'played' in the band for 18 years!
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So, to sum this up, no one here really knows. It's just talk...
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So, to sum this up, no one here really knows. It's just talk...
Yep, and add the fact that the article posted in this thread is dubious at best
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So Woody became a member not until 1993, after having 'played' in the band for 18 years!
Partly because he wanted it this way himself.