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svt22
I do think that people also want to see Ron play, that's 80% of his game. Many Rolling Stones fans are very sensitive for the visual part of the act, I am not. Wood looks and behaves like a genuine rocker, just like Keith, who looked and played like a 100% rocker though. I'm not discussing Wood's an Richards' drug messing up here btw. I'm just of the opinion that a unique band like the Rolling Stones deserved a more talented / musical replacement 2 player -he even affected their overall musical creativity or at least made them sound two dimensional imo, but the Stones certainly didn't need a more technical player. Woods technique was adequate for the job when awake. Anyway, to me replacement 2 made the Rolling Stones a less interesting band to listen to, actually it made me stop listening entirely, although for most Stones fans Ron was the perfect man, so that's just me.
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I do think that people also want to see Ron play, that's 80% of his game. Many Rolling Stones fans are very sensitive for the visual part of the act, I am not. Wood looks and behaves like a genuine rocker, just like Keith, who looked and played like a 100% rocker though. I'm not discussing Wood's an Richards' drug messing up here btw. I'm just of the opinion that a unique band like the Rolling Stones deserved a more talented / musical replacement 2 player -he even affected their overall musical creativity or at least made them sound two dimensional imo, but the Stones certainly didn't need a more technical player. Woods technique was adequate for the job when awake. Anyway, to me replacement 2 made the Rolling Stones a less interesting band to listen to, actually it made me stop listening entirely, although for most Stones fans Ron was the perfect man, so that's just me.
Hmm, I can't recall you or kleerie praising the Jones era as a live band which is where a band really shows how it is right? So I wonder how high you actually rate them as a band during that time.
Their live performances were dog rough cos they were quite amateurish as live musicians. This is part of the charm of the original band of course, very engaing and exciting for me. Going by the availale live recordings from 1963 - 1967 many of the things present in their live performances are mostly things you two, especially kleerie, criticise the Wood era for having.
There's very little actual melody in the guitar department during 1963 - 1967, there are breaks from the onslaught via Lady Jane and in 1967 Ruby Tuesday, but even then it's shakey.
The boy Taylor made a musical man out of the live band perhaps, certainly he enabled them to be able to stand tall with the more guitar wizard orientated bands of that time, but given that the majority of their career has been something very different to that, how authentic does that make the Taylor era?
His talent and influence is undeniable, but his era is more of an anomaly than a definite reading of The Rolling Stones feel and sound. A change in band name really would have been quite fitting.
Comparing Rock & Roll Circus Rolling Stones with Apple rooftop Beatles, they are quite similar in their shaky, slightly amateur sound and feel, both distinctive features of their sound... Someone like Taylor joining either band drastically changes that and IMO makes them in to a different band.
By the time Ronnie joined the song writing had unfortunately took a dive, IMO of course, and he sometimes mistakenly tried to play like replacement 1, but generally speaking the band did return closer to the more amateur feel and sound of the original band.
It still isn't the real thing though.
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svt22
I do think that people also want to see Ron play, that's 80% of his game. Many Rolling Stones fans are very sensitive for the visual part of the act, I am not. Wood looks and behaves like a genuine rocker, just like Keith, who looked and played like a 100% rocker though. I'm not discussing Wood's an Richards' drug messing up here btw. I'm just of the opinion that a unique band like the Rolling Stones deserved a more talented / musical replacement 2 player -he even affected their overall musical creativity or at least made them sound two dimensional imo, but the Stones certainly didn't need a more technical player. Woods technique was adequate for the job when awake. Anyway, to me replacement 2 made the Rolling Stones a less interesting band to listen to, actually it made me stop listening entirely, although for most Stones fans Ron was the perfect man, so that's just me.
Hmm, I can't recall you or kleerie praising the Jones era as a live band which is where a band really shows how it is right? So I wonder how high you actually rate them as a band during that time.
Their live performances were dog rough cos they were quite amateurish as live musicians. This is part of the charm of the original band of course, very engaing and exciting for me. Going by the availale live recordings from 1963 - 1967 many of the things present in their live performances are mostly things you two, especially kleerie, criticise the Wood era for having.
There's very little actual melody in the guitar department during 1963 - 1967, there are breaks from the onslaught via Lady Jane and in 1967 Ruby Tuesday, but even then it's shakey.
The boy Taylor made a musical man out of the live band perhaps, certainly he enabled them to be able to stand tall with the more guitar wizard orientated bands of that time, but given that the majority of their career has been something very different to that, how authentic does that make the Taylor era?
His talent and influence is undeniable, but his era is more of an anomaly than a definite reading of The Rolling Stones feel and sound. A change in band name really would have been quite fitting.
Comparing Rock & Roll Circus Rolling Stones with Apple rooftop Beatles, they are quite similar in their shaky, slightly amateur sound and feel, both distinctive features of their sound... Someone like Taylor joining either band drastically changes that and IMO makes them in to a different band.
By the time Ronnie joined the song writing had unfortunately took a dive, IMO of course, and he sometimes mistakenly tried to play like replacement 1, but generally speaking the band did return closer to the more amateur feel and sound of the original band.
It still isn't the real thing though.
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svt22
Wait a minute.... the recent tour proved his influence again.
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His Majesty
Romantic sure. You respecting Jones? Dissing his entire live career isn't being respectful.
No comparison between Jones and Wood there, just an observation that 3.0 did return to something more similar to the earlier "primitive stones" than 2.0.
Taylor was certainly at a higher level at guitar technically than any of the original stones, so yes, more professional.
There is more to late 60's - early 70's rock music than Zed Zeppelin, but it's perfectly obvious that Taylor made the stones more like rock bands of the time.
As for him never dominating the band or the songs... More kleermaker funnies.
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svt22
Wait a minute.... the recent tour proved his influence again.
Given that you seem to have been more impressed by some of the other guest guitarists I think it's best you don't use the recent tour as a supportive point.
This tour proved that what's left of the original Rollong Stones could still pull together and with their backing musicians come back and provide a good show. Also that when guest musicians joined them they were open and able enough to go with the flow of the more inspiring guests.
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svt22
With Jones they sounded genuine, with Taylor grown up and more professional, and with Wood a parody of their former selves, at least nothing ground breaking.
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With Jones they sounded genuine, with Taylor grown up and more professional, and with Wood a parody of their former selves, at least nothing ground breaking.
Yes, you are far less pretentious than kleerie and also, it seems, better equipped or not so damaged by self titled, supposed intelligence to be able to appreciate more primitive music.
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All the guitarists in the Stones have been adding to the band's sound.
Brian or Taylor would never come up with a blues/caribbean hybrid like Hey Negrita, for instance.
I think the Taylorites are musically ignorant, or musically incompetent at best, when they omit to mention stuff like this - no matter what they like the most.
The rest of the fans acknowledge this.
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svt22
ABBA, I know your coming from Norway.
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kleermaker
Whoever suits your Brian worshipping the most
But I think it's dissing Brian when comparing him with our friend Woody (bless his heart).
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kleermaker
Whoever suits your Brian worshipping the most
But I think it's dissing Brian when comparing him with our friend Woody (bless his heart).
Worship wold be the wrong word, but whatever it is, it extends to all of the original band.
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kleermaker
I always have to laugh when I read your posts. Because you know for you it's all history, but for me it was a part of my daily life. I really think you can't imagine how it was in those days. The Stones were an important part of 'those days', but when time went by they weren't that any longer, but relics of a heroic and unique past. That's what makes them special now, not their shows. They're shadows of a gone past.
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kleermaker
I always have to laugh when I read your posts. Because you know for you it's all history, but for me it was a part of my daily life. I really think you can't imagine how it was in those days. The Stones were an important part of 'those days', but when time went by they weren't that any longer, but relics of a heroic and unique past. That's what makes them special now, not their shows. They're shadows of a gone past.
Were you around when Mozart was alive? It's all history for you eh.
Wasn't the original band history by the time you really got in to them? They certainly were by 1973.
As for being part of daily life, erm, the music has very much been a part of my daily life for years.
Their music and spirit defies the ages.
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kleermaker
They weren't praised (not even by their first fans) because of the splendid music they made: it was especially their behaviour that did the trick. But that so important aspect of the history of the Rolling Stones seems to pass you by, fascinated as you are by concepts as true, original and not to forget by the role of the mellotron. But you better see the RS in a historical perspective.
A part of their music might defy the ages, but it won't be the live music you posted here (those covers).
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kleermaker
They weren't praised (not even by their first fans) because of the splendid music they made: it was especially their behaviour that did the trick. But that so important aspect of the history of the Rolling Stones seems to pass you by, fascinated as you are by concepts as true, original and not to forget by the role of the mellotron. But you better see the RS in a historical perspective.
A part of their music might defy the ages, but it won't be the live music you posted here (those covers).
Their image was for sure important, but fans very much loved their music, that you think otherwise once again shows how ridiculous and clueless you can be.
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His Majesty
The Rolling Stones are simply far too big for any era of the band to really be considered as some kind of small cult. Their Facebook page alone currently sits at 14,470,583 likes, all ages, so many posts about all albums, all members and era's.
What is hardly anyone out of numbers like that?
Thousands of blogs and the like dedicated to the stones and it's members.
The albums always being reissued in some form.
They are still very relevant to a lot of people.
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His Majesty
The Rolling Stones are simply far too big for any era of the band to really be considered as some kind of small cult. Their Facebook page alone currently sits at 14,470,583 likes, all ages, so many posts about all albums, all members and era's.
What is hardly anyone out of numbers like that?
Thousands of blogs and the like dedicated to the stones and it's members.
The albums always being reissued in some form.
They are still very relevant to a lot of people.
Still try that poll and let me know.
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The Rolling Stones are simply far too big for any era of the band to really be considered as some kind of small cult. Their Facebook page alone currently sits at 14,470,583 likes, all ages, so many posts about all albums, all members and era's.
What is hardly anyone out of numbers like that?
Thousands of blogs and the like dedicated to the stones and it's members.
The albums always being reissued in some form.
They are still very relevant to a lot of people.
Still try that poll and let me know.
Back in the Brian-days, albums weren't really that important.
Try a poll for most popular song, and you'll quickly find that 4 or 5 of the 10 most popular tunes are with Brian - something the setlist on this tour proved.
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The Rolling Stones are simply far too big for any era of the band to really be considered as some kind of small cult. Their Facebook page alone currently sits at 14,470,583 likes, all ages, so many posts about all albums, all members and era's.
What is hardly anyone out of numbers like that?
Thousands of blogs and the like dedicated to the stones and it's members.
The albums always being reissued in some form.
They are still very relevant to a lot of people.
Still try that poll and let me know.
Back in the Brian-days, albums weren't really that important.
Try a poll for most popular song, and you'll quickly find that 4 or 5 of the 10 most popular tunes are with Brian - something the setlist on this tour proved.
no need to poll.
itunes lists the most popular stones songs.
1 Paint It Black
2 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
3 Wild Horses
4 Gimme Shelter
5 Beast of Burden
6 Sympathy for the Devil
7 Honky Tonk Women
8 You Can't Always Get What You Want
9 Start Me Up
10 Miss You