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His "two finger" technique always creates unique voicings.

What an incredible artist!

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Who says Taylor was a shining star and not a team player (as well)?

I say so. Not enough? With that I only mean that wheras Taylor's forte was that of being a flashy lead guitarist (and having certain room-needing features belonging to that concept, which especially flowered in 1973), Wood's forte is to be a great team player. To use football analogies more, Taylor was a striker who is there to score, and having not much defense duties, and makes easily headlines, whereas Woody is more a middle-field player, more defense-oriented, less profilic, even though still able to score when needed. Some damn beautiful goals he have made, as this thread shows...

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Who says Taylor was a shining star and not a team player (as well)?

I say so. Not enough? With that I only mean that wheras Taylor's forte was that of being a flashy lead guitarist (and having certain room-needing features belonging to that concept, which especially flowered in 1973), Wood's forte is to be a great team player. To use football analogies more, Taylor was a striker who is there to score, and having not much defense duties, and makes easily headlines, whereas Woody is more a middle-field player, more defense-oriented, less profilic, even though still able to score when needed. Some damn beautiful goals he have made, as this thread shows...

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If there ever was weaving it was from from 1975 to 1978, and during these years Keith was at his ever best.


..and I would include 1981/82...


In 1975 Ronnie was just a replacement for the TOA. He had to learn tons of songs in a short time. I ever had the feeling that Ronnie kept Mick Taylor`s style of playing long /harmonic solos. You can`t change everything when there is someone new in the band and you wanna go on tour. Perhaps that`s the reason why some people here liked Ronnie`s playing in 75/76 so much.

I think that they found their own style as a band with Ron Wood when they had time in the studio for Some Girls. That created a new fresh sound and style in a way they never could have with Mick Taylor.

I deeply love Mick Taylor for his playing till today. Never missed a solo gig in my town. But I truly love Ronnie`s skills, very risky , sometimes crap, sometimes fantastic, never boring and bringing in Lapsteel or pedal steel guitar.

And seeing them onstage together is just wonderful.

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A pretty similar picture as I have. There surely were traits of what will come later already in 1975/76, a big ship like that doesn't turn so easily, but to me the 'real' weaving years were 1978-82, when they really mastered the art (I don't know why Mathijs exludes 1981/82, but I guess he has his own well-argued reasons for that).

What you say of SOME GIRLS sessions being essential for that new sound to born - which I agree with - bring the question how much Jagger had a role in creating the new animal. He played a lot of guitar in those sessions, resulting with a thing sometimes called a 'three-guitar attack'. Also the punk-inspired down-to-earth-rockers he came up with offered a new template for Keith and Ronnie to do their thing, and many times him - Jagger - providing the basic rhythm guitar foundations. A witty Taylorite could say that was Jagger's tactical move to get some decent lead guitar from the guitar department - "I take care of the rhythm - try you guys together come up with something more interesting, there is two of you, one of you need to come up with something..." grinning smiley

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Who says Taylor was a shining star and not a team player (as well)?

I say so. Not enough? With that I only mean that wheras Taylor's forte was that of being a flashy lead guitarist (and having certain room-needing features belonging to that concept, which especially flowered in 1973), Wood's forte is to be a great team player. To use football analogies more, Taylor was a striker who is there to score, and having not much defense duties, and makes easily headlines, whereas Woody is more a middle-field player, more defense-oriented, less profilic, even though still able to score when needed. Some damn beautiful goals he have made, as this thread shows...

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Mathijs has baited us into yet another Wood/Taylor epic. It's quite ridiculous, yes you can search through the archives and find a moment where Wood connected two verses together, not quite 1 million monkey's with a million typewriters but not so far off. Hint if your in The Rolling Stones you should approach greatness every night, for instance Bobby Keys. Wood's tenure with the band is approaching 40 years, where in the actual catalog is there one solo that can stand next to Taylor's great solos, even on Black and Blue it's someone else. Yes he was put in the band for his image and Keith's wake up call. Yes Jagger played off Taylor, no doubt it's easier to enter a verse when the note leading in is a sweet one rather than a poorly bent one. Wood is a great rock star, a wonderful guy, why put him through this grinder of comparing him to one of a generations great soloists? If you watch Wood's CYHMK it says it all, 10 thousand dollar strat, greatest drummer for any guitar solo, Keith, Bobby, custom Fender amps, simply can't navigate through his instrument.

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Mathijs has baited us into yet another Wood/Taylor epic. It's quite ridiculous, yes you can search through the archives and find a moment where Wood connected two verses together, not quite 1 million monkey's with a million typewriters but not so far off. Hint if your in The Rolling Stones you should approach greatness every night, for instance Bobby Keys. Wood's tenure with the band is approaching 40 years, where in the actual catalog is there one solo that can stand next to Taylor's great solos, even on Black and Blue it's someone else. Yes he was put in the band for his image and Keith's wake up call. Yes Jagger played off Taylor, no doubt it's easier to enter a verse when the note leading in is a sweet one rather than a poorly bent one. Wood is a great rock star, a wonderful guy, why put him through this grinder of comparing him to one of a generations great soloists? If you watch Wood's CYHMK it says it all, 10 thousand dollar strat, greatest drummer for any guitar solo, Keith, Bobby, custom Fender amps, simply can't navigate through his instrument.

GS on LA Friday for starters.

It's not about standing next to anyone. Two different musicians. You should know and appriciate that. You did play with him once?

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One more element, about the weaving, is that standard tuning became the tuning of choice for Keith in this period - when writing and developing songs.

From the late 70s till the early 80s, there were very few open G-songs.

Before They Make Me Run
Too Tough
It Must Be Hell
Wanna Hold You

I think that's all, although a few TY-tracks were played in open G in the mid 70s.

ER must be the only album in this era completely without Keith's open G-guitar? Only one track on SG (Mick played open G on the title track, though).

I recall Keith saying in LIFE that Taylor affected to him as a song-maker, and he started to write songs Taylor in mind. Probably that meant sticking more to riffs and his OpenG routines, which gave a distinguished room for Taylor to add his thing - reflecting the traditional rhythm/lead guitar split. I take a song like "All Down The Line" being a paradigm example of that.

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Keith wrote songs with Taylor in mind and you name All Down The Line. Sorry, but I don't buy that Keith nonsense. He didn't write ADTL with Taylor in mind, if you know the history of that song. What other songs did he write 'for Taylor'? None. Or do you mean songs like Moonlight Mile, the second part of Knocking, Winter, 100 Years Ago, Sway and TWFNO, really signature Richards songs?

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One more element, about the weaving, is that standard tuning became the tuning of choice for Keith in this period - when writing and developing songs.

From the late 70s till the early 80s, there were very few open G-songs.

Before They Make Me Run
Too Tough
It Must Be Hell
Wanna Hold You

I think that's all, although a few TY-tracks were played in open G in the mid 70s.

ER must be the only album in this era completely without Keith's open G-guitar? Only one track on SG (Mick played open G on the title track, though).

I recall Keith saying in LIFE that Taylor affected to him as a song-maker, and he started to write songs Taylor in mind. Probably that meant sticking more to riffs and his OpenG routines, which gave a distinguished room for Taylor to add his thing - reflecting the traditional rhythm/lead guitar split. I take a song like "All Down The Line" being a paradigm example of that.

- Doxa

Keith wrote songs with Taylor in mind and you name All Down The Line. Sorry, but I don't buy that Keith nonsense. He didn't write ADTL with Taylor in mind, if you know the history of that song. What other songs did he write 'for Taylor'? None. Or do you mean songs like Moonlight Mile, the second part of Knocking, Winter, 100 Years Ago, Sway and TWFNO, really signature Richards songs?

You seem to mistake not being present while recording with not having anything to do with the song.

FYI, Keith plays on TWFNO (two guitars), and he wrote the verses. It is indeed a trademark Keith-song - until Taylor starts soloing on those two chords..

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One more element, about the weaving, is that standard tuning became the tuning of choice for Keith in this period - when writing and developing songs.

From the late 70s till the early 80s, there were very few open G-songs.

Before They Make Me Run
Too Tough
It Must Be Hell
Wanna Hold You

I think that's all, although a few TY-tracks were played in open G in the mid 70s.

ER must be the only album in this era completely without Keith's open G-guitar? Only one track on SG (Mick played open G on the title track, though).

I recall Keith saying in LIFE that Taylor affected to him as a song-maker, and he started to write songs Taylor in mind. Probably that meant sticking more to riffs and his OpenG routines, which gave a distinguished room for Taylor to add his thing - reflecting the traditional rhythm/lead guitar split. I take a song like "All Down The Line" being a paradigm example of that.

- Doxa

Keith wrote songs with Taylor in mind and you name All Down The Line. Sorry, but I don't buy that Keith nonsense. He didn't write ADTL with Taylor in mind, if you know the history of that song. What other songs did he write 'for Taylor'? None. Or do you mean songs like Moonlight Mile, the second part of Knocking, Winter, 100 Years Ago, Sway and TWFNO, really signature Richards songs?

You seem to mistake not being present while recording with not having anything to do with the song.

FYI, Keith plays on TWFNO (two guitars), and he wrote the verses. It is indeed a trademark Keith-song - until Taylor starts soloing on those two chords..

That's right, although without Taylor's solos and repetitive scales the song would feel unfinished to me; he again merged perfectly with the Jagger/Richards ideas.

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Mathijs has baited us into yet another Wood/Taylor epic. It's quite ridiculous, yes you can search through the archives and find a moment where Wood connected two verses together, not quite 1 million monkey's with a million typewriters but not so far off. Hint if your in The Rolling Stones you should approach greatness every night, for instance Bobby Keys. Wood's tenure with the band is approaching 40 years, where in the actual catalog is there one solo that can stand next to Taylor's great solos, even on Black and Blue it's someone else. Yes he was put in the band for his image and Keith's wake up call. Yes Jagger played off Taylor, no doubt it's easier to enter a verse when the note leading in is a sweet one rather than a poorly bent one. Wood is a great rock star, a wonderful guy, why put him through this grinder of comparing him to one of a generations great soloists? If you watch Wood's CYHMK it says it all, 10 thousand dollar strat, greatest drummer for any guitar solo, Keith, Bobby, custom Fender amps, simply can't navigate through his instrument.

GS on LA Friday for starters.

It's not about standing next to anyone. Two different musicians. You should know and appriciate that. You did play with him once?

yeah I get carried away as a Taylor-holic..

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Jeeze am I the only one that enjoys RW's solo on CYHMK, he navigates just fine thank you so much. I am reminded that historically the group did not play this song live with Taylor, because after an attempt they could not get it to work. I also know that through the years set lists get trimmed as the group decided what works and what does not , and Mick has become an infamous nit picker on details. Yet through the Licks tour, CYHMK remained a staple of the shows, so obviously the Stones were happy with what they heard. So while an individual always has the right to say " I did not like that," to say RW can't play or navigate his instrument is a strong statement that several hundred thousand fans, the group, and obviously a production company that choose this video out of countless renditions as an OFFICIAL release just do not agree with.

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Jeeze am I the only one that enjoys RW's solo on CYHMK, he navigates just fine thank you so much. I am reminded that historically the group did not play this song live with Taylor, because after an attempt they could not get it to work. I also know that through the years set lists get trimmed as the group decided what works and what does not , and Mick has become an infamous nit picker on details. Yet through the Licks tour, CYHMK remained a staple of the shows, so obviously the Stones were happy with what they heard. So while an individual always has the right to say " I did not like that," to say RW can't play or navigate his instrument is a strong statement that several hundred thousand fans, the group, and obviously a production company that choose this video out of countless renditions as an OFFICIAL release just do not agree with.

I'm so glad somebody finally said something positive about Woody. I love his style and think he's played lots of great solos, both live and on the albums. He's no technical virtuoso like Taylor but he's got a down to earth rock and roll style, mistakes and all that rocks. And I also really dig his solo on CYHMK as done on 4 Flicks or Live Licks. He takes a lot of Taylors original lines and somehow makes them rock in his own nasty, dirty style. I love the guy's style.

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Jeeze am I the only one that enjoys RW's solo on CYHMK, he navigates just fine thank you so much. I am reminded that historically the group did not play this song live with Taylor, because after an attempt they could not get it to work. I also know that through the years set lists get trimmed as the group decided what works and what does not , and Mick has become an infamous nit picker on details. Yet through the Licks tour, CYHMK remained a staple of the shows, so obviously the Stones were happy with what they heard. So while an individual always has the right to say " I did not like that," to say RW can't play or navigate his instrument is a strong statement that several hundred thousand fans, the group, and obviously a production company that choose this video out of countless renditions as an OFFICIAL release just do not agree with.

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Jeeze am I the only one that enjoys RW's solo on CYHMK, he navigates just fine thank you so much. I am reminded that historically the group did not play this song live with Taylor, because after an attempt they could not get it to work. I also know that through the years set lists get trimmed as the group decided what works and what does not , and Mick has become an infamous nit picker on details. Yet through the Licks tour, CYHMK remained a staple of the shows, so obviously the Stones were happy with what they heard. So while an individual always has the right to say " I did not like that," to say RW can't play or navigate his instrument is a strong statement that several hundred thousand fans, the group, and obviously a production company that choose this video out of countless renditions as an OFFICIAL release just do not agree with.

I'm so glad somebody finally said something positive about Woody. I love his style and think he's played lots of great solos, both live and on the albums. He's no technical virtuoso like Taylor but he's got a down to earth rock and roll style, mistakes and all that rocks. And I also really dig his solo on CYHMK as done on 4 Flicks or Live Licks. He takes a lot of Taylors original lines and somehow makes them rock in his own nasty, dirty style. I love the guy's style.

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I blame everything I wrote on Mathijs... Next he's going to post asking for favorite Italian war heroes.

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I recall Keith saying in LIFE that Taylor affected to him as a song-maker, and he started to write songs Taylor in mind. Probably that meant sticking more to riffs and his OpenG routines, which gave a distinguished room for Taylor to add his thing - reflecting the traditional rhythm/lead guitar split. I take a song like "All Down The Line" being a paradigm example of that.

- Doxa

Keith wrote songs with Taylor in mind and you name All Down The Line. Sorry, but I don't buy that Keith nonsense. He didn't write ADTL with Taylor in mind, if you know the history of that song. What other songs did he write 'for Taylor'? None. Or do you mean songs like Moonlight Mile, the second part of Knocking, Winter, 100 Years Ago, Sway and TWFNO, really signature Richards songs?