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Doxa
I watched - or tried to do that - "Satisfaction" from last night, and especially paying attention to Taylor's contribution there. I write my observations here since I think it fits here better - let the official gig thread be dedicated to other stuff, such as photos of some American Idol winner, etc.

Anyways, the click was rather to follow, but still Taylor did all kind of funny things. As usual - why he always need to do that? - checking and tuning the amp, a bit walking, Taylorian dancing we are used to by now ... then while Keith takes the solo, sitting down in the front of Charlie's drums, probably having the best seat in building to enjoy the show.... But still there was something interesting to follow musically. Like noted, he is mostly "strumming" the chords, but here and there he likes to beef up the sound, the riff, etc. with little runs here and there. He is almost unhearable mostly - his guitar is rather down - but still there some improvisation-based curiosity... he sounds like - to use the very word - ready to "weave", but does not get much connection or response from the Weaver Boys - especially from Keith, who seemingly is just concentrated doing the riff and his solo right. In the very last moments Taylor funnily ices the main riff with vibrato. All of that is done with a rather low profile, or showing a good taste to not rock the boat too much (knowing his place).

All in all, what I hear there is lots of not realized potentiality in the stage even during "Satisfaction", but seemingly to really start a guitar fiesta is out of their reach now. But even hands tied down, Taylor does a nice job. Some people seem to wait just a striking long solo from him, but I think he is doing a nice job as a side kick as well. The "three guitar attack" is right there, if
they just would let the lion out of cage, and give more freedoms to all of them. But I think the reality of their guitar dynamics is now that Keith does what he can do, and the two others somehow try to fit into that, and carefully not to bother him, or to step in his shoes. I am afraid that Keith is no longer in "weaving" form.

- Doxa

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It 's my first post here, so take this opportunity to greet everyone and sorry for my english ... I'm Italian and I follow for years the Rolling Stones and also your beautiful forum, I finally joined.
But I think that to be a forum on the rolling stones you're giving a little too much importance to MT, I love when he plays on a few tracks, but in general I prefer RW, two guitarists are completely different, not comparable, but MT is a guest, while RW is part of the band. I think it's a miracle you can review them still live, and have fun ..... hello

You registered 30 minutes ago to make this point?

Nice way to treat a newcomer.

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I have been a fan of the Stones since the 1981 tour. I am turning 45 tomorrow...but I always gravitated to my brothers' early recordings of the stones...which is now called the Brussel's Affair. It was MT that I craved.

I only shelled out $4K for 3 shows (2 tix to each show) because MT was going to have an "Expanded Role" = more than 2 songs. This is a joke. I wouldn't pay $600 a tix for just the regular stones. Would I pay $600 for Pink Floyd but with Roger Waters and Gilmore together - maybe.

You see for me and many of my friends attending we believe this was going to be music history. We were fooled and should have waited to see how the LA shows went. Now of course the tour isn't doing so well.

They should have promoted MT more and kept him in the band during the whole show. But its obvious they have egos. They can't deal with the fact that this guy is one of the best guitarists of all time and take advantage of his weaker personality.

There is no logical reason to explain decreasing his playing time after he crushed CYHMK the way he did other than Jagger wants to put the horses back in the stable.

They can't bear the thought that there is a better musical act than their Rolling Stones and that act is the Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor.

With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

I know there are many, many fans of similar minds.

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I have been a fan of the Stones since the 1981 tour. I am turning 45 tomorrow...but I always gravitated to my brothers' early recordings of the stones...which is now called the Brussel's Affair. It was MT that I craved.

I only shelled out $4K for 3 shows (2 tix to each show) because MT was going to have an "Expanded Role" = more than 2 songs. This is a joke. I wouldn't pay $600 a tix for just the regular stones. Would I pay $600 for Pink Floyd but with Roger Waters and Gilmore together - maybe.

You see for me and many of my friends attending we believe this was going to be music history. We were fooled and should have waited to see how the LA shows went. Now of course the tour isn't doing so well.

They should have promoted MT more and kept him in the band during the whole show. But its obvious they have egos. They can't deal with the fact that this guy is one of the best guitarists of all time and take advantage of his weaker personality.

There is no logical reason to explain decreasing his playing time after he crushed CYHMK the way he did other than Jagger wants to put the horses back in the stable.

They can't bear the thought that there is a better musical act than their Rolling Stones and that act is the Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor.

With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

I know there are many, many fans of similar minds.

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duffydawg
I have been a fan of the Stones since the 1981 tour. I am turning 45 tomorrow...but I always gravitated to my brothers' early recordings of the stones...which is now called the Brussel's Affair. It was MT that I craved.

I only shelled out $4K for 3 shows (2 tix to each show) because MT was going to have an "Expanded Role" = more than 2 songs. This is a joke. I wouldn't pay $600 a tix for just the regular stones. Would I pay $600 for Pink Floyd but with Roger Waters and Gilmore together - maybe.

You see for me and many of my friends attending we believe this was going to be music history. We were fooled and should have waited to see how the LA shows went. Now of course the tour isn't doing so well.


They should have promoted MT more and kept him in the band during the whole show. But its obvious they have egos. They can't deal with the fact that this guy is one of the best guitarists of all time and take advantage of his weaker personality.

There is no logical reason to explain decreasing his playing time after he crushed CYHMK the way he did other than Jagger wants to put the horses back in the stable.

They can't bear the thought that there is a better musical act than their Rolling Stones and that act is the Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor.

With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

I know there are many, many fans of similar minds.

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duffydawg
I have been a fan of the Stones since the 1981 tour. I am turning 45 tomorrow...but I always gravitated to my brothers' early recordings of the stones...which is now called the Brussel's Affair. It was MT that I craved.

I only shelled out $4K for 3 shows (2 tix to each show) because MT was going to have an "Expanded Role" = more than 2 songs. This is a joke. I wouldn't pay $600 a tix for just the regular stones. Would I pay $600 for Pink Floyd but with Roger Waters and Gilmore together - maybe.

You see for me and many of my friends attending we believe this was going to be music history. We were fooled and should have waited to see how the LA shows went. Now of course the tour isn't doing so well.


They should have promoted MT more and kept him in the band during the whole show. But its obvious they have egos. They can't deal with the fact that this guy is one of the best guitarists of all time and take advantage of his weaker personality.

There is no logical reason to explain decreasing his playing time after he crushed CYHMK the way he did other than Jagger wants to put the horses back in the stable.

They can't bear the thought that there is a better musical act than their Rolling Stones and that act is the Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor.

With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

I know there are many, many fans of similar minds.

Laughable.
If it was "MT that you craved" you would be commenting on his site and going to his shows and buying his albums and,, like most people on the planet,you aren't and you weren't.

How do you even presume to think you,or any other fan,has a clue about the reasoning behind his playing time or lack there of??

Dude chose to sit down during one of his two songs last night.
And he reportedly started f*cking with amps/cords during a performance.

He may very well be drunk or have dementia or have stage fright or..
any number of issues unbeknownst to you and your ilk.

Most of us love The Rolling Stones.
Those of you wanting to turn back time should buy a Cher album.

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I only shelled out $4K for 3 shows (2 tix to each show) because MT was going to have an "Expanded Role" = more than 2 songs.


They should have promoted MT more and kept him in the band during the whole show.


They can't bear the thought that there is a better musical act than their Rolling Stones and that act is the Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor.

With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

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It's a good point. This MT lovefest is Out Of Control! And I love Mick Taylor!

Totally out of control and I do not love Mick Taylor!

However, he is certainly adding something to their live music when he is onstage. Having him tag along for the whole tour, but only playing on a few songs is quite baffling and seems quite disrespectful and intentionally cruel IMO.

He's there, he's a historically important former member of The Rolling Stones, he is good for the music and onstage spirit and power.

Let him fly on relevant or certain songs from his era, ask him to just play a more supporting role on others. It's got to hurt when he hears them playing songs he contributed to being played without him. It's a blast for the fans having Taylor onstage! Going by the reactions of the other musicians it is for them too.

Please integrate him in to the touring band!

Great post from different (musical, historical and human) angles.

Absolutely, but all these angles don't count for the band. MT is there to sell tickets, for nothing else.

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A guest must remain a guest: hello, thank you, goodbye. Mick Taylor with four tracks as in LA was too "in the light"...

Sure is in a good way. A Guns N' Roses cover band guitarist I know has taken an interest in the band again upon hearing about Mick Taylor's guesting in LA. He's not interested in mediocre guitar playing that's been the staple for some time now.

I'm hopeful MT's being groomed to bring us the Crossfired Hurricane.

Hollywood Rose feat. Mick Taylor (Rolling Stones) - Jailbreak

Thanks for posting, reminds me of Thin lizzy a bit. Good solo. When did Mick record this?

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With Mick Taylor they are "the Greatest Rock and Roll Band of All Time" - without him they are a very good, but tired act. Truth hurts.

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It's a good point. This MT lovefest is Out Of Control! And I love Mick Taylor!

Totally out of control and I do not love Mick Taylor!

However, he is certainly adding something to their live music when he is onstage. Having him tag along for the whole tour, but only playing on a few songs is quite baffling and seems quite disrespectful and intentionally cruel IMO.

He's there, he's a historically important former member of The Rolling Stones, he is good for the music and onstage spirit and power.

Let him fly on relevant or certain songs from his era, ask him to just play a more supporting role on others. It's got to hurt when he hears them playing songs he contributed to being played without him. It's a blast for the fans having Taylor onstage! Going by the reactions of the other musicians it is for them too.

Please integrate him in to the touring band!

Great post from different (musical, historical and human) angles.

Absolutely, but all these angles don't count for the band. MT is there to sell tickets, for nothing else.

I do think so as well: and that can be the only explanation he's playing the way he does. Apart from the last two minutes of CyhmN, were he was ok (Sorry Kleer, I had to listen 5 times again ), he can play much better. But obviously there is no reason for him to do so, he just does his automatic pilot thing, enjoys it - he still enjoys playing the guitar- and will go home again.

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Taylor can lift the roof off the place. It is perplexing to have him sit backstage. Surely they don't pay him per song?

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There's an INCREDIBLY interesting dynamic about to hit their tour calendar: CHI#2, CHI#3, TOR#2, MONTREAL (last Canada show ever?), (BOS#1), BOS#2. Think about that stretch. Four of the six gigs have serious potential for more MT and 'deeper cuts' ala 5/20 because they're nights #2 or 3 in a city and they might not have extra guests.

If they repeat the stellar choices of 5/20, then maybe the proverbial barn door will be blown off its hinges. The barn door was opened 5/20 and the horses got loose. Jagger has re-closed the barn door. If Taylor gets 3-4 songs for CHI#3, TOR#2 and BOS#2, the door will be off its hinges and only an insecure control freak could not see what's best for the live MUSIC legacy of the Stones. Taylor has made Keef and Ronnie get their shit together after they (amazingly) were the weak links for the last 2 tours (Licks, AB. What's going on now is some sick head games courtesy of Jagger, a tragic waste of a touring member and an epically and needlessly cruel (to the fans and MT) keeping the race horse tethered in the barn when everyone wants to see it run. It's supposed to be a 50th B'day bash tour, and they're robbing themselves of a simple extra 10 minutes a night of musical highs.

On 5/20, we heard a collective roar circle and fill the arena during MT on CYHMK. That includes all of the fans who don't even know who MT is and just came to hear the hits. Even they were musically transported to an ecstatic high for reasons they maybe could not even put their finger on, because of the Musical peak climbed by Taylor, not because of the "spectacle' element of the show. When was the last time you remember hearing the audience lose it specifically because of a climactic musical solo at a Stones show pre-2012?

So since they've apparently wasted their big 5 day break and couldn't see fit to work MT into a simple extra song like LIV or ADTL (vs the jams of a Sway coda or CYHMK), the big question becomes: What's going to happen during the CHI#3, TOR#2 and Boston #2 all coming up? Either Charlie/Keef/Ron want MT to play more and need to force a showdown or MJ needs to face himself. The one-song-a-night farce and token appearance during Satisfaction have to stop. It's BS. Time is running out for this opportunity.

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There's an INCREDIBLY interesting dynamic about to hit their tour calendar: CHI#2, CHI#3, TOR#2, MONTREAL (last Canada show ever?), (BOS#1), BOS#2. Think about that stretch. Four of the six gigs have serious potential for more MT and 'deeper cuts' ala 5/20 because they're nights #2 or 3 in a city and they might not have extra guests.

If they repeat the stellar choices of 5/20, then maybe the proverbial barn door will be blown off its hinges. The barn door was opened 5/20 and the horses got loose. Jagger has re-closed the barn door. If Taylor gets 3-4 songs for CHI#3, TOR#2 and BOS#2, the door will be off its hinges and only an insecure control freak could not see what's best for the live MUSIC legacy of the Stones. Taylor has made Keef and Ronnie get their shit together after they (amazingly) were the weak links for the last 2 tours (Licks, AB. What's going on now is some sick head games courtesy of Jagger, a tragic waste of a touring member and an epically and needlessly cruel (to the fans and MT) keeping the race horse tethered in the barn when everyone wants to see it run. It's supposed to be a 50th B'day bash tour, and they're robbing themselves of a simple extra 10 minutes a night of musical highs.

On 5/20, we heard a collective roar circle and fill the arena during MT on CYHMK. That includes all of the fans who don't even know who MT is and just came to hear the hits. Even they were musically transported to an ecstatic high for reasons they maybe could not even put their finger on, because of the Musical peak climbed by Taylor, not because of the "spectacle' element of the show. When was the last time you remember hearing the audience lose it specifically because of a climactic musical solo at a Stones show pre-2012?

So since they've apparently wasted their big 5 day break and couldn't see fit to work MT into a simple extra song like LIV or ADTL (vs the jams of a Sway coda or CYHMK), the big question becomes: What's going to happen during the CHI#3, TOR#2 and Boston #2 all coming up? Either Charlie/Keef/Ron want MT to play more and need to force a showdown or MJ needs to face himself. The one-song-a-night farce and token appearance during Satisfaction have to stop. It's BS. Time is running out for this opportunity.

very cold winter...but well stated.

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I was at the show in Toronto. I was hoping Mick Taylor would appear for a few more songs. The concert was good in my opinion but not great. I went and got a beer during IORR. Carrie Underwood can sing but I don't understand why they need all of these guests.

I am going only to see Mick Taylor. I have Chicago (31st), Toronto (6th) and both Philadelphia concerts.

My take is Mick Taylor was bored during Satisfaction. I was right next to the stage and he stopped playing and sat down for over a minute. He was barely audible as well. His sound is just electrifying and I agree he has a musical vision for the songs. The most important thing I like about Mick Taylor is you don't know where he's going on the songs. He likes to experiment which is fantastic!

I understand though the average fan doesn't care. For me, it's such a come down after he leaves the stage.

Bill Wyman said F-off to them because he doesn't need the money and realized it would be a waste of time to travel America for two songs. I respect Bill Wyman for what he said. Mick Taylor needs the money so he can't say F-off.

Does anyone think that Mick Taylor might start regretting this tour? We know he needs the money but musically what do you think he's thinking?
Is he getting bored? Is it a waste of his time? It must be very hard to not showcase your talent.

I like the Stones but it's just a tired show now. I actually wish I didn't have all these shows to go to. I want to go to a CONCERT! I was getting excited after the LA show though.

Blackdog- your sentiments are pretty much on target with what I felt about my experience in Toronto. I actually felt a little guilty regarding my review for the Toronto show as I didn't want piss hard core fans off. I agree that the show on Saturday night was good (a little ragged and sloppy for my tastes compared to other shows I have witnessed over the years), but certainly not exceptional or spectacular. Regarding Mick Taylor on Midnight Rambler, he certainly does puts his stamp on it and adds color to that tune, but why for the life of me is he only showcased on two tunes? I just don't get it. It is a mystery to me that his talents are being under utilized...

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Doxa
I watched - or tried to do that - "Satisfaction" from last night, and especially paying attention to Taylor's contribution there. I write my observations here since I think it fits here better - let the official gig thread be dedicated to other stuff, such as photos of some American Idol winner, etc.

Anyways, the click was rather to follow, but still Taylor did all kind of funny things. As usual - why he always need to do that? - checking and tuning the amp, a bit walking, Taylorian dancing we are used to by now ... then while Keith takes the solo, sitting down in the front of Charlie's drums, probably having the best seat in building to enjoy the show.... But still there was something interesting to follow musically. Like noted, he is mostly "strumming" the chords, things as He is almost unhearable mostly - his guitar is rather down - but still there some improvisation-based curiosity... he sounds like - to use the very word - ready to "weave", but does not get much connection or response from the Weaver Boys - especially from Keith, who seemingly is just concentrated doing the riff and his solo right. In the very last moments Taylor funnily ices the main riff with vibrato. All of that is done with a rather low profile, or showing a good taste to not rock the boat too much (knowing his place).

All in all, what I hear there is lots of not realized potentiality in the stage even during "Satisfaction", but seemingly to really start a guitar fiesta is out of their reach now. But even hands tied down, Taylor does a nice job. Some people seem to wait just a striking long solo from him, but I think he is doing a nice job as a side kick as well. The "three guitar attack" is right there, if
they just would let the lion out of cage, and give more freedoms to all of them. But I think the reality of their guitar dynamics is now that Keith does what he can do, and the two others somehow try to fit into that, and carefully not to bother him, or to step in his shoes. I am afraid that Keith is no longer in "weaving" form.

- Doxa

Nice post. A fair observation of Taylor's playing at its least grand, but even then there are points of interest. He has musical vision. You can read it.

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... there is only space for 22 songs within two hours twenty minutes show time. That's the problem.

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... there is only space for 22 songs within two hours twenty minutes show time. That's the problem.

They can can omit YGMR, One More Shot, a few more

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... there is only space for 22 songs within two hours twenty minutes show time. That's the problem.

They can can omit YGMR, One More Shot, a few more

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Mick Taylor is a big smile. He just love being on stage. This is no competition. He is a guest player. He will be on for "Sway", "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" and the regulars "Rambler" and "Satisfaction". We just need to cross our fingers for more "Sway" and "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" at the shows. But there is only space for 22 songs within two hours twenty minutes show time. That's the problem.

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Mick Taylor is a big smile. He just love being on stage. This is no competition. He is a guest player. He will be on for "Sway", "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" and the regulars "Rambler" and "Satisfaction". We just need to cross our fingers for more "Sway" and "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" at the shows. But there is only space for 22 songs within two hours twenty minutes show time. That's the problem.