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Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sections not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

BV, for a man as bright as yourself, this ............ <<< Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? >>> .......... is an extraordinarily silly question in my opinion. I'm most surprised you ask it.

OF course ticket sales have "something to do with touring". Ticket sales, at any particular price, are nothing more or nothing less than "a measure" of peoples' interest in seeing the band. I completely agree with you that once the Stones made their financial demands for performing known (i.e. they specify their guaranteed fee), then it was up to various promoters to bid for the right to promote the band and lay on the tour. BUT - the Rolling Stones themselves, no matter how far removed from the day to day boring humdrum activities of promoting and selling, CANNOT be absolved of some degree of responsibility for the pricing structure that the successful promoter then subsequently came up with.

If they had specified that they wanted a guaranteed $100,000 each for Mick, Keith, Charlie, and Ronnie per show, then we more than likely wouldn't be seeing pit packages for $1,500 - would we ? But they didn't ask for a measly $100,000 for each key band member per show, did they ? They asked for a s**tload MORE !!

so whatever else you do, please don't try and sell the argument that there isn't a connection between ticket sales and touring, as if "money isn't an overriding concern to this band. If it wasn't an overriding concern, they wouldn't be charging absurd guaranteed fees, and forcing promoters to come up with equally absurd ticket prices in order to cover their arses !!

The only remotely sensibly priced gigs of this entire run of shows are probably Hyde Park 1 & 2, that's it. The American shows indicate that both parties have taken leave of their senses, the Rolling stones themselves, and similarly their idiotic promoter - AEG.

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paulywaul

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bv
Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sections not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

BV, for a man as bright as yourself, this ............ <<< Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? >>> .......... is an extraordinarily silly question in my opinion. I'm most surprised you ask it.

OF course ticket sales have "something to do with touring". Ticket sales, at any particular price, are nothing more or nothing less than "a measure" of peoples' interest in seeing the band. I completely agree with you that once the Stones made their financial demands for performing known (i.e. they specify their guaranteed fee), then it was up to various promoters to bid for the right to promote the band and lay on the tour. BUT - the Rolling Stones themselves, no matter how far removed from the day to day boring humdrum activities of promoting and selling, CANNOT be absolved of some degree of responsibility for the pricing structure that the successful promoter then subsequently came up with.

If they had specified that they wanted a guaranteed $100,000 each for Mick, Keith, Charlie, and Ronnie per show, then we more than likely wouldn't be seeing pit packages for $1,500 - would we ? But they didn't ask for a measly $100,000 for each key band member per show, did they ? They asked for a s**tload MORE !!

so whatever else you do, please don't try and sell the argument that there isn't a connection between ticket sales and touring, as if "money isn't an overriding concern to this band. If it wasn't an overriding concern, they wouldn't be charging absurd guaranteed fees, and forcing promoters to come up with equally absurd ticket prices in order to cover their arses !!

The only remotely sensibly priced gigs of this entire run of shows are probably Hyde Park 1 & 2, that's it. The American shows indicate that both parties have taken leave of their senses, the Rolling stones themselves, and similarly their idiotic promoter - AEG.

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paulywaul

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bv
Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sections not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

BV, for a man as bright as yourself, this ............ <<< Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? >>> .......... is an extraordinarily silly question in my opinion. I'm most surprised you ask it.

OF course ticket sales have "something to do with touring". Ticket sales, at any particular price, are nothing more or nothing less than "a measure" of peoples' interest in seeing the band. I completely agree with you that once the Stones made their financial demands for performing known (i.e. they specify their guaranteed fee), then it was up to various promoters to bid for the right to promote the band and lay on the tour. BUT - the Rolling Stones themselves, no matter how far removed from the day to day boring humdrum activities of promoting and selling, CANNOT be absolved of some degree of responsibility for the pricing structure that the successful promoter then subsequently came up with.

If they had specified that they wanted a guaranteed $100,000 each for Mick, Keith, Charlie, and Ronnie per show, then we more than likely wouldn't be seeing pit packages for $1,500 - would we ? But they didn't ask for a measly $100,000 for each key band member per show, did they ? They asked for a s**tload MORE !!

so whatever else you do, please don't try and sell the argument that there isn't a connection between ticket sales and touring, as if "money isn't an overriding concern to this band. If it wasn't an overriding concern, they wouldn't be charging absurd guaranteed fees, and forcing promoters to come up with equally absurd ticket prices in order to cover their arses !!

The only remotely sensibly priced gigs of this entire run of shows are probably Hyde Park 1 & 2, that's it. The American shows indicate that both parties have taken leave of their senses, the Rolling stones themselves, and similarly their idiotic promoter - AEG.

Of course they asked for more than $100K each for every show. The highest bidder won. Pretty simple really.

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Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sections not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

BV, for a man as bright as yourself, this ............ <<< Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? >>> .......... is an extraordinarily silly question in my opinion. I'm most surprised you ask it.

OF course ticket sales have "something to do with touring". Ticket sales, at any particular price, are nothing more or nothing less than "a measure" of peoples' interest in seeing the band. I completely agree with you that once the Stones made their financial demands for performing known (i.e. they specify their guaranteed fee), then it was up to various promoters to bid for the right to promote the band and lay on the tour. BUT - the Rolling Stones themselves, no matter how far removed from the day to day boring humdrum activities of promoting and selling, CANNOT be absolved of some degree of responsibility for the pricing structure that the successful promoter then subsequently came up with.

If they had specified that they wanted a guaranteed $100,000 each for Mick, Keith, Charlie, and Ronnie per show, then we more than likely wouldn't be seeing pit packages for $1,500 - would we ? But they didn't ask for a measly $100,000 for each key band member per show, did they ? They asked for a s**tload MORE !!

so whatever else you do, please don't try and sell the argument that there isn't a connection between ticket sales and touring, as if "money isn't an overriding concern to this band. If it wasn't an overriding concern, they wouldn't be charging absurd guaranteed fees, and forcing promoters to come up with equally absurd ticket prices in order to cover their arses !!

The only remotely sensibly priced gigs of this entire run of shows are probably Hyde Park 1 & 2, that's it. The American shows indicate that both parties have taken leave of their senses, the Rolling stones themselves, and similarly their idiotic promoter - AEG.

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Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sectons not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

If they love to play for us , they don't sell them self to the highest bidder , but requirements to the bidders a maximum ticket price of $ 350, and also demand a ban on resale to private service ticket sellers of the sister company's.

And if they really love to play for us , what happened in 2008 , 2009 , 2010 , 2011 , and 2012 ?

2007 31 performances
2012 8 performances

That's 39 performances in 6 years , yeah they really love to play for us , and not for the money .

Mick Jagger is not a fool , he knows exactly whats going on .

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Why on earth would ticket sales have anything to do with their touring? Fact is AEG is a promoter who was overbidding everyone else. We will see tomorrow in LA and on Sunday in Oakland if AEG over-estimated the market.

The Stones have been playing stadiums with sectons not sold out in the past, no worries. They just perform. If it is 15,000 or 19,000 in the arena I don't care. They leave the sales to others. They are paid up-front, before they do play a single song or show. If they were in it for the money only, they would move into Vegas for a few years like Elton John and Celine Dion, with side trips to MSG for some East Coast income every now and then. But point is they love to be on stage. And they love to perform in front of YOU and ME! Not just to anyone... That is why they keep it going.

If they love to play for us , they don't sell them self to the highest bidder , but requirements to the bidders a maximum ticket price of $ 350, and also demand a ban on resale to private service ticket sellers of the sister company's.

And if they really love to play for us , what happened in 2008 , 2009 , 2010 , 2011 , and 2012 ?

2007 31 performances
2012 8 performances

That's 39 performances in 6 years , yeah they really love to play for us , and not for the money .

Mick Jagger is not a fool , he knows exactly whats going on .

Cold hard truth at it's best

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If heads are going to roll at AEG, then the boss will have to fire himself.

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sonomastone

surely they deserve some credit for performing tens of thousands of times over the 50 years?

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surely they deserve some credit for performing tens of thousands of times over the 50 years?

Tens of thousands of times? Probably closer to two thousand times, and half of those between 1962 and 1967.