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Woz
Mick is just pissed because the Prince rightly points out that the Stones were really all about Keef....
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24FPS
What is it with people not giving Jagger his due? Who found Rupert in the first place? Who kept the band together while Keith was shooting half of Afghanistan into his arm? Just because Keith seems more approachable, and we know he can be as phony as anyone, Mick gets cut down. Mick has the right to keep employees like Lowenstein at arms length.
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Let's face it, aside from whatever merits they might or might not have it's more "fashionable" to praise Keith over Mick, maybe just `cause even non-Stones fans know who Mick is, but not everybody (in my experience) knows who Keith is, so you sound more "inside" if you praise Keith. As Michael Lewis said, "Snobbery has a logic all its own."
Maybe so, but I don't see your logic at all, Title5Take1. Rupert's quotes in the article are excerpts, the full book may tell a different story. He may be very critical of Keith in other parts of the book, we just don't know yet. I think the newspaper picked the most sensational quotes to rachet up the readership and get a response from Mick. In any case, I really doubt that Prince Rupert would be interested in praising Keith because it makes him sound like an insider, he was an insider.
The full book may tell a different story? The fact that it was written at all shows Rupert's moral code is out of whack. Whatever Rupert's intent, that inverted snobbery does exist among some Stones fans. Like William Goldman (screenwriter of some of the top films in the 70's) says some film snobs love to say that Orson Welles's best film was The Magnificent Ambersons when it was obviously Citizen Caine, or that Hithcock's best film was Vertigo, when he made obvoiusly better ones. It just sounds cooler to name the unobvious.
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gimmelittledrink
But face it, if he had said Mick was the brains, would anyone get excited?
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superrevvy
I'm sure many of the social anecdotes are true and amusing
The insider stuff is fiction, and approved by Mick. The description of Mick as
"furious" is just to help sales.
If you believe either that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, or that Rupert
believes that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, then you truly will believe
anything.
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DandelionPowderman
Ha ha, we're talking like we know the guys here. We don't...
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DandelionPowderman
Ha ha, we're talking like we know the guys here. We don't...
What ??? You don't know The Rolling Stones ???
And yet you dare to show up here. Shame on you.
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24FPS
What is it with people not giving Jagger his due? Who found Rupert in the first place? Who kept the band together while Keith was shooting half of Afghanistan into his arm?
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24FPS
What is it with people not giving Jagger his due? Who found Rupert in the first place? Who kept the band together while Keith was shooting half of Afghanistan into his arm?
Hasn't Keith stated (maybe in his book) that he didn't consume via injection?
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latebloomer
I've often said to my students and children, being intelligent doesn't mean squat if you don't have some self-discipline.
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latebloomer
I've often said to my students and children, being intelligent doesn't mean squat if you don't have some self-discipline.
I agree. Not that I heed it as much as I should, but a good phrase I read is, "There's the pain of discipline, and the pain of regret." Of all people, even John Lennon said in his last Dakota year that he found discipline was required for most things, "Even with drugs." Yeah, with them, too!
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Title5Take1
As an American, in social situations in both America and Europe I've witnessed Europeans act appalled at how openly Americans talk about money. A Dutch woman told me that it's even considered bad form in Europe to ask, "So, what do you do?" Which is a standard American social opener. Oh, irony....
To digress, there's the notorious mid-life crisis. But I've noticed men can be very rich and accomplished, but then they hit their 80's and have a sort of old age crisis. They want to do something that will be noticed publicly and maybe endure. So you have billionaires like George Soros and Warren Buffet, who weren't terribly political earlier, suddenly in their 80's funding (hypocritically, I think) and talking things left leaning. They're gonna die soon, and so they try to up their chances of making history before it's too late. Being "just" successful isn't enough. Maybe this is the closest Rupert could get to fulfilling that want.
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Rockman
....I was Don Was
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lem motlow
bottom line-mick fired him
like many people who work for the stones, he outlived his usefulness and was discarded.some last a short time some last a long time but eventually they all go.then they get mad at mick and write a book.
he didnt run the stones finances anyway,he was an advisor.for him to act as if he controlled the stones money for all those years is ridiculous,it would be like a financial planner acting as if he ran your household.
he made suggestions and through band meetings,consulting with attorneys and others the stones either gave his ideas a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
thats where the pathetic shot at mick comes in-"it was all me,me me " ok old fella,run along now.
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Bliss
One thing I am wondering about - if the RS were broke when they met PR, and had no access to their funds, how could they have afforded his fees? A business manager and financial advisor usually charges an hourly rate, and PR's rates would have been steep.
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Bliss
It seems everyone's getting into the act, weighing in with their point of view:
'I Was Keith Richards' Drug Dealer' - Tony Sanchez
'I Was Mick Jagger's Girlfriend' - Marianne Faithfull
'I Was the Rolling Stones' Office Manager' - Jo Bergman
'I Was the RS Fanzine Publisher' - Bill German
'I Was the RS' Flatmate' - our own James Phelge
'I Was Mick Jagger's PA' - Chris O'Dell
and now, bizarrely, 'I Was the RS' Bank Manager' - Prince Rupert Loewenstein
Did I leave anyone out? These primary sources are fantastic from a reader's perspective, but not so enjoyable from the subject's. Oh well. Can't please everyone.
(Note to self - get accountant, husband and cleaning lady to sign confidentiality clauses.)
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24FPS
What is it with people not giving Jagger his due? Who found Rupert in the first place? Who kept the band together while Keith was shooting half of Afghanistan into his arm? Just because Keith seems more approachable, and we know he can be as phony as anyone, Mick gets cut down. Mick has the right to keep employees like Lowenstein at arms length.
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However, when deciding to keep people at arms length, you goota be a certain kind of person. Maybe that is what Prince Rupert has a beef with, I dunno...