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Mick is too obsessed with money, that's what makes him mad !

Ironic, that Mick should complain about "bad manners".

"Call me old fashioned"...." Mick is said to complain about Sir Rupert's revelations being the height of "bad manners".

Indeed, Ed Sullivan was called old fashioned when he complained about how Mick in particular with his slovenly appearance defied show business convention when The Stones first debuted on his show.

It is not exactly like Sir Rupert is out to expose anything that wouldn't have already been known. Did Mick want the public to believe that The Stones became
multi-millionaire juggernauts merely because oldies radio would play Satisfaction, Brown Sugar, Jumping Jack Flash, and Honky Tonk Women endlessly?

Thanks for posting. Bit of a tart, but interesting.

The article certainly slants in favor of Keith. Perhaps MJ isn't too pleased about that.

Interesting, but you'd think a financial adviser would keep his trap shut. I can't imagine Keith is thrilled, even if he does come off better than Mick.

.... hmmmm yeah another Cash & Tell book ....



ROCKMAN

The Stones are millionaires?

I never knew that.

yeah, bad form on Rup's part although nothing terribly 'shocking'.

This statement is odd - 'With time, I even became less concerned, although never totally, about the aspects of his behaviour that came under the most criticism: the chucking of invitations and the late arrival at dinners and parties, even though I found it very difficult.'

I wouldn't say those were the most criticised aspects of Mick's behaviour. This is news to me.

I also recall reading, I think in A E Hotchner's or Philip Norman's book, a different account of how he had met Mick - he said he had been seated next to him at a dinner party, and Mick recounted how he had been done in financially by Allen Klein.

Too bad the RS didn't have the iron-clad confidentiality clauses in their professional dealings that they now have, but Mick is right; one doesn't expect one's 80 year old ex-bank manager to write a tell-all book.



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I'm sure many of the social anecdotes are true and amusing

The insider stuff is fiction, and approved by Mick. The description of Mick as
"furious" is just to help sales.

If you believe either that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, or that Rupert
believes that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, then you truly will believe
anything.



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superrevvy
I'm sure many of the social anecdotes are true and amusing

The insider stuff is fiction, and approved by Mick. The description of Mick as
"furious" is just to help sales.

If you believe either that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, or that Rupert
believes that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, then you truly will believe
anything.

Interesting that Mick did what they all slated Brian for doing, wanting a bigger cut for his management services. But he undoubtedly devoted a huge amount of time to it, while Keith just reaped the benefits.

Being described in an insider's book as having an inferior mind to Keith's cannot have made Mick's day.

Mick should try to kiss and make up with Loewenstein...

over a nice dish of Findus lasagna? ><



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Nice pic from Vancouver'72 in the DM article!

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Bliss

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superrevvy
If you believe either that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, or that Rupert
believes that Keith has a finer mind than Mick, then you truly will believe
anything.

Being described in an insider's book as having an inferior mind to Keith's cannot have made Mick's day.

I personally guarantee that Mick approved that line. He probably even suggested it.
Its funny, its a joke, although I'm sure Keith like y'all will take it at face value.



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From the book, Rupert talking to Mick, immediately after Hyde Park

"I asked if he thought he could put the crowd into action in the way that @#$%&
had done. 'Yes, to get the crowd to pull something down would probably take
about twenty minutes, but to get them to build something would take much
longer, say an hour.' "



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"Jann Wenner wanted to start up a magazine to be called
Rolling Stone, and had invited Mick and, in so far as the
other Rolling Stones counted, the other band members to buy
49 percent of the shares. Mick could not raise the money
required, which was 5000 pounds. He asked me if Leopold
Joseph would lend the money to him. But my partners were
not prepared to give an overdraft to Mick because there
was no security to back it up with, and the magazine was
an unquoted start-up. That highlighted for me how dire
the situation was. I did finally get my partners to agree
that we would have given Mick an overdraft, but their
agreement did not come in time. The opportunity was missed,
and the Rolling Stones did not end up with half of Rolling
Stone, which was a great shame."

Is this anything we didn't know already? Mick is still only worth $200 million? What does he do with his money???

Interesting, "Rupie the Groupie" thinks (or at least did in 2006) that they still have one or to more mega tours in them!

Hard to tell from this excerpt what particular lyric is
being referenced. Maybe that garbled part on Star Star?
Yeah, I'll make bets that you're gonna get John Wayne before
he dies.

"Within the contract with Atlantic I had inserted a clause
which said that if the company objected to a lyric, or to
cover artwork, and if we were unable to resolve the issue,
I had the right to go to another record company. So I wrote
a letter to Atlantic saying, I hereby give you notice. I
am enclosing a letter from A&M confirming that they will
be happy to put out the album for the same advance. Ahmet
Ertegun got on the phone with a degree of alacrity and he
and I found a way round the problem, part of which involved
Mick mumbling the words..."

I believe the Michael in this excerpt is Cohl. I wonder how
many "official" tshirts are not actually official at all.

"...passed by plenty of stands selling merchandise that was
clearly different from the products Michael was selling for
the tour. He was naturally very annoyed and asked to speak
to the local promoter. Eventually the promoter turned up
accompanied by a carbiniere, who said 'Come this way'. They
all went into the promoter's office, where the carbiniere
took his gun out, placed it on the table, and said to Michael,
'You will not change the merchandising arrangements. Goodbye.'
That was the corruption at its most brutal and unsubtle."

I happen, in this instance, to believe that Mick is furious on a confidentiality basis. A book from Prince Rupert is tantamount to formally inviting tax authorities to scrutinise the Stones' financial affairs just a little more closely.

I would also feel that Keith, though non-domiciled, would also be irate in that even less sheckles could be going into the pot as a result of Rupert's indiscreet behaviour.

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tomcasagranda
I happen, in this instance, to believe that Mick is furious on a confidentiality basis. A book from Prince Rupert is tantamount to formally inviting tax authorities to scrutinise the Stones' financial affairs just a little more closely.

I would also feel that Keith, though non-domiciled, would also be irate in that even less sheckles could be going into the pot as a result of Rupert's indiscreet behaviour.

Going just by the 30 pages I read, Rupie the groupie reveals NOTHING. My one-
word review would be "innocuous". The "bags of cash" are way way way outside
the statute of limitations. And even there Rupert (nonsensically) maintains
that he insisted that every single bag be accounted for.

Yeah, right. He would've been fired on the spot.

The only reason to be maybe slightly upset about this book, if you are a fan or
if you are Keith, is that it makes the Rolling Stones seem like no big deal at
all in artistic terms. Just an interesting business venture.

Rupert opens this book with a story about his father writing some ridiculous
but entertaining book about doing psychoanalysis on oneself. Rupert readily
admits it was a pile of horse manure. So is this book. Ridiculous but entertaining.

Seems to me that someone lives a pretty boring life or at least has a boring Sunday and nothing better to do.

The Rolling Stones are a business venture; that is an indubitable fact. They have been a business venture since Come On onwards. It was a fact that Eric Easton left the management of the Rolling Stones in 1965 due to business.

Allan Klein was also brought in purely on a bottom-line basis, to generate more funds for the main players. When the Stones realised they were being ripped off, they had to extricate themselves from the deal.

Also, bearing in mind how astute both parties are (were), Mick and Keith would have seen just how financially unsound Brian Epstein's business deals were concerning The Beatles, and how, post-Epstein, the Beatles fragmented due, mainly, to money issues. They needed someone to ensure that the money kept rolling.

The Stones, as a business venture, also realised that they couldn't keep covering blues and soul tracks, as there would not have been enough income, hence the Jagger / Richards songwriting team.

It is very strange that Loewenstein publishes stories about the Stones. It is bad behaviour indeed. Maybe age turned him silly.

Judging from the excerpts Rupert doesn't appear to have written anything really damamging about their finances, but it's still extraordinary that a business advisor would write a tell all book about his biggest client. If Mick is upset, I would think it would be more about Rupert revealing that Mick once sought more money for himself and that he was habitually late for engagements.

Isn't the Daily Mail considered a bit of a hack publication? I am somewhat suspicious about their Mick quotes.



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So we can give partial thanks to Rupert for Exile happening
Thanks Rupert



2 parts I found interesting in the article...


""What had also become apparent to me was that the band would have to abandon their UK residence.

If they did not do this, they could be paying between 83 and 98 per cent of their profits in British income tax and surtax. I selected the South of France as a suitable location for them.""
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""Scalping tickets – the reselling of concert tickets – was another area of great concern.

Everyone I spoke to about it said: ‘There’s nothing you can do about that. That’s the promoter’s business. Do you want the Stones’ children to be kidnapped? You should be aware that you are dealing with difficult and potentially dangerous people.’

Scalping was endemic, all-pervasive. I had to come to terms with the fact that there was an irreducible core of approximately ten per cent that would never come our way, and that we should concentrate on securing and accounting for the remaining 90 per cent. I had to learn to accept some of the realities of the music business.""
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Thanks for posting Bliss



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Yes, I forgot to thank you Bliss..Mick would be upset at my bad manners!

Nice read. Thanks.
I do agree with Mick on this one.
When we hire a banker, financial Planner we
Don't expect that they will write a book and
talk about the private business of their clients.

He we very well paid along with his family for his
Work with the band. Like a doctor, lawyer he should
Have respected the trust the Stones gave him.

This man of "CLASS" should have asked his
Clients before he wrote this book.