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Why exactly, is it that they should rush?
Peanut
PeanutGallery
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I agree, talkcheap. The basic point is simple. They were rehearsed, they'd
proven themselves (in most people's eyes), they had a stage and a theme and
product, and yet obviously nobody made them an immediate offer they couldn't
refuse, even with these pricing and publicity advantages.
Which would seem to mean no huge tour is in the cards for 2013. Rather something
more targeted again.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-20 11:35 by superrevvy.
It looks like there wont be any tour 2013 I guess. Strange after all work they put in. Maybe Jagger is mad at Richards. At the recent concerts Jagger never looked at Keith during the whole show.
dammit. we were afraid of this. but thanks. it's better to know than to wonder.
but we just had confirmation that there will be no tour. how do you reconcile with this?
we had confirmation........
hahahahahah
jeroen
ahem. just what part of "there will be no tour" do you not understand?
On the contrary. The last [real] tour was announced on May 10th of that year [2005] and not commenced for some 3+ additional months, until August 21st yet in the remainder of that year, they played 43 shows in 38 venues. Say what? Yeah, I know they're older and more tired now yadda, yadda, yadda. What do the venues of chance, the odds makers say — i.e. Vegas, Macau etc.?
Peanut
PeanutGallery
So much attention as to upstage the event itself. They don't need to do that.
Peanut
PeanutGallery
It's better to be, at least reasonably, well read on your subject. Mick already confirmed a tour earlier this month.
Peanut
PeanutGallery
They won't make any money if they go to New Orleans. If they're smart they'll skip New Orleans. New Orleans is not attendance friendly for big big acts.
hilarious.
no...peanut gallery and superrevy are saints compared to s/t....no way they could stoop as low as that jackass....
Peanut and c, my speculation about "targeted" shows is pretty much in line with
what bv is saying. So pick on him too.
I'm not being overly negative. All I said to start this off was Keith was wrong
when he said that the success of the five shows would lead to an unstoppable
juggernaut.
No juggernaut was created. No massive tour will happen. Just some shows if
and when the money is right.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-20 22:15 by superrevvy.
This is a true story that I think is applicable. Rihanna was not on tour during
the summer of 2012. But suddenly some festival in Azerbaijan, of all places,
offered her $7 million to headline. So she got her band together for one
day of rehearsals and did the show.
So perhaps, if you're of the mind and have the cash, you'll get the opportunity
soon to, besides singing your "woo woo"s, to swim in the Caspian and visit the 13th
century Bibi-Heybat Mosque in Baku...
I don't think some targeted shows and a massive tour are necessarily incompatible. I think that, given their ages, they have every reason to proceed with caution. So, a few months of touring, if that goes well, take a break for a few months, then another few months, the same...and before you know it it's been a year or two of touring.
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Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
PeanutGallery
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Date: January 20, 2013 07:56
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superrevvy
ELEPHANT TRUMPS GORILLA
here's the real elephant in the room, stones fans
KR: "Once the juggernaut starts rolling, it ain't gonna stop. An extra gig
here, a place we never played there, things go on."
Well, sorry, it did not go on, it did stop.
Really start rolling. After all, their run lasted 2+ years and hit something like 140 worldwide cities.
...
So it is not unreasonable to assume there was a perception on the part of
the promoters of insufficient demand (to meet the Stones cash-on-the-barrelhead
requirements). Why else would the Stones not be playing right now?
Logistics.
Right now is when Mick, and many of y'all, have claimed that everybody in
the band is "at the top of their game", with the Stones and their fans
raring to go. The juggernaut completely fueled up. Yet once again bogged
down in the sands of time.
The Five Ps — Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance
Tell me, what is going to be so different in eight months, except needing a new
stage, new rehearsals, and new hype to soak the same old fans, flying in from
around the world, with the same old show? Tarted up just enough to get by.
Why exactly, is it that they should rush?
Peanut
PeanutGallery
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
talkcheap
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Date: January 20, 2013 09:27
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bv
They are up for bids. Very simple. Show us the money.
1) true.
2) there are only three possible bidders. Cohl/Live Nation (they've settled
their legal issues), AEG, and Dainty/Branson.
How about Dainty/Branson, AEG, and Live/Nation in that order instead? Dainty/Branson are likely to have gotten some leg up going into future shows because of their 50th Anniversary deal. AEG next because of #3 below and then, LiveNation last not that order makes any difference in the final analysis.
3) various news stories have indicated what the Stones were being offered in
2012 by one or more of the above parties was about $100 million for 50 arena
shows. Stadiums were not under consideration. $2 million a show. But Mick said
no. Was it the money or was it Keith's un-readiness or some other reason?
Mick alone said no,... think Keith is still abstaining from participating in decision making after his, Life?
4) So Mick Dainty and Branson came up with the NY/London scheme for $5.5 million
a show later in the year (Actually the intention was $7 million a show for
4 shows, but when the VIP tix didn't move as well as hoped, the fifth show was
added, as per prior contingency agreement, in order for there to be an adequate
gross to cover the guarantee. The Stones got nothing extra for the fifth show.)
Not doubting you, but where can I read more about the VIP tix not moving as well as hoped? Exactly what in meant by the VIP tix? — a la carte? or in tour packages?
5) this is of course all approximation. but perhaps it does provide some
guidance when speculating just how much Mick wants to do in 2013, in what kind
of venue, and how much he needs in return.
So, then after all Keith's puffing in his book, he isn't giving up his old ways in not participating the decision making part of the work? He was only kidding,..?
Peanut
PeanutGallery
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Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
erikjjf
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Date: January 20, 2013 10:46
I think that what they did in 2012 is a good indicator for what's to come in 2013:
- Few shows
- Shows announced at short notice
- Major markets
- Indoor arena shows
- High ticket prices
- Fewer side musicians
- Few shows
- Shows announced at short notice
- Major markets
- Indoor arena shows
- High ticket prices
- Fewer side musicians
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
superrevvy
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Date: January 20, 2013 11:11
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talkcheapQuote
PeanutGallery
Peanut
PeanutGallery
?
I agree, talkcheap. The basic point is simple. They were rehearsed, they'd
proven themselves (in most people's eyes), they had a stage and a theme and
product, and yet obviously nobody made them an immediate offer they couldn't
refuse, even with these pricing and publicity advantages.
Which would seem to mean no huge tour is in the cards for 2013. Rather something
more targeted again.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-20 11:35 by superrevvy.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
talkcheap
()
Date: January 20, 2013 13:10
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superrevvyQuote
talkcheapQuote
PeanutGallery
Peanut
PeanutGallery
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I agree, talkcheap. The basic point is simple. They were rehearsed, they'd
proven themselves (in most people's eyes), they had a stage and a theme and
product, and yet obviously nobody made them an immediate offer they couldn't
refuse, even with these pricing and publicity advantages.
Which would seem to mean no huge tour is in the cards for 2013. Rather something
more targeted again.
It looks like there wont be any tour 2013 I guess. Strange after all work they put in. Maybe Jagger is mad at Richards. At the recent concerts Jagger never looked at Keith during the whole show.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: January 20, 2013 15:45
maybe the band will make an announcement at the BRIT Awards on Feb 20. That way they will generate a lot aof attention, and they wont need much publicity...
jeroen
jeroen
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: January 20, 2013 16:49
Quote
21stcenturystones
There will be no tour
dammit. we were afraid of this. but thanks. it's better to know than to wonder.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: January 20, 2013 16:59
come on, no one believes superrevy , really, do they...
jeroen
jeroen
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
kish_stoned
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Date: January 20, 2013 17:12
Jagger is working out the figures and making sure they come out with lots of money.
The tour will be announced in march or april,lots of arena shows and few stadiums.
its only rock-roll but we like it.
money,money,money.£$£$£$£$.
The tour will be announced in march or april,lots of arena shows and few stadiums.
its only rock-roll but we like it.
money,money,money.£$£$£$£$.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: January 20, 2013 17:27
Quote
kish_stoned
Jagger is working out the figures and making sure they come out with lots of money.
The tour will be announced in march or april,lots of arena shows and few stadiums.
its only rock-roll but we like it.
money,money,money.£$£$£$£$.
but we just had confirmation that there will be no tour. how do you reconcile with this?
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: January 20, 2013 18:01
Quote
T&AQuote
kish_stoned
Jagger is working out the figures and making sure they come out with lots of money.
The tour will be announced in march or april,lots of arena shows and few stadiums.
its only rock-roll but we like it.
money,money,money.£$£$£$£$.
but we just had confirmation that there will be no tour. how do you reconcile with this?
we had confirmation........
hahahahahah
jeroen
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: January 20, 2013 18:07
Quote
corriecasQuote
T&AQuote
kish_stoned
Jagger is working out the figures and making sure they come out with lots of money.
The tour will be announced in march or april,lots of arena shows and few stadiums.
its only rock-roll but we like it.
money,money,money.£$£$£$£$.
but we just had confirmation that there will be no tour. how do you reconcile with this?
we had confirmation........
hahahahahah
jeroen
ahem. just what part of "there will be no tour" do you not understand?
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
drummer_dude
()
Date: January 20, 2013 18:07
Please I hope they come back to New Orleans hadn't seen them in a while there.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
PeanutGallery
()
Date: January 20, 2013 18:49
Quote
superrevvyQuote
talkcheapQuote
PeanutGallery
Peanut
PeanutGallery
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I agree, talkcheap. The basic point is simple. They were rehearsed, they'd
proven themselves (in most people's eyes), they had a stage and a theme and
product, and yet obviously nobody made them an immediate offer they couldn't
refuse, even with these pricing and publicity advantages.
Too bad there will be no coming back to these WAGS and SWAGS — wild assed guesses and super wild assed guesses, after the fact with hindsight. Possibly an offer has been tentatively accepted with yet to be worked out details sufficiently so as to allow for announcement. So, with that view in mind, I too will agree that talk and speculation is cheap.
Funny, I'm sitting in a public facility at the moment with some radio playing over their system, Under My Thumb has been playing, and the DJ or other comes on after the number saying something about their playing in Australia,... time to break out the q-tips and try to catch another round of that statement which I doubt will be forthcoming. Might that be indicative of who they've gone with,...? Anyone know more about Australian probabilities?
Which would seem to mean no huge tour is in the cards for 2013. Rather something
more targeted again.
On the contrary. The last [real] tour was announced on May 10th of that year [2005] and not commenced for some 3+ additional months, until August 21st yet in the remainder of that year, they played 43 shows in 38 venues. Say what? Yeah, I know they're older and more tired now yadda, yadda, yadda. What do the venues of chance, the odds makers say — i.e. Vegas, Macau etc.?
Peanut
PeanutGallery
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
()
Date: January 20, 2013 19:04
The announcement will take place likely in the next couple weeks.
Announcing too soon after the 50th anniversary tour would have left those of us
who paid such premium prices for such a LIMITED tour saying ... Grrrr.
Big cities only, two night stands... with a few one offs.
Announcing too soon after the 50th anniversary tour would have left those of us
who paid such premium prices for such a LIMITED tour saying ... Grrrr.
Big cities only, two night stands... with a few one offs.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
PeanutGallery
()
Date: January 20, 2013 19:07
Quote
corriecas
maybe the band will make an announcement at the BRIT Awards on Feb 20. That way they will generate a lot aof attention, and they wont need much publicity...
jeroen
So much attention as to upstage the event itself. They don't need to do that.
Peanut
PeanutGallery
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
PeanutGallery
()
Date: January 20, 2013 19:19
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T&AQuote
21stcenturystones
There will be no tour
dammit. we were afraid of this. but thanks. it's better to know than to wonder.
It's better to be, at least reasonably, well read on your subject. Mick already confirmed a tour earlier this month.
Peanut
PeanutGallery
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: January 20, 2013 19:34
Sorry to stray off topic, but I gotta ask PeanutGallery...how do you pick your text color? Do you have a planned color or just go with whatever one you feel like that day?
This is bothering me...
This is bothering me...
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: January 20, 2013 19:48
im afraid that Peanut gallery is another alias of superrevy or that other ..stonestod
jeroen
we dont need them i think
jeroen
jeroen
we dont need them i think
jeroen
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 20, 2013 20:19
Quote
drummer_dude
Please I hope they come back to New Orleans hadn't seen them in a while there.
They won't make any money if they go to New Orleans. If they're smart they'll skip New Orleans. New Orleans is not attendance friendly for big big acts.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
mgguy
()
Date: January 20, 2013 20:24
Quote
latebloomer
Sorry to stray off topic, but I gotta ask PeanutGallery...how do you pick your text color? Do you have a planned color or just go with whatever one you feel like that day?
This is bothering me...
hilarious.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
bv
()
Date: January 20, 2013 20:27
I don't think they will announce anything. No need for that. Just look at the history from last year:
Monday Oct 15 : Announcing 4 shows in London + Newark
Thursday Oct 25 : First club show at la Trabendo
Sunday Nov 25 : First public show London O2
They sell out tickets in a week, actually in a day. They are unique, and they do know it.
I am pretty sure they will announce short time, block by block, few commitments, so forget about planning anything serious like weddings, holidays, big parties or stuff like that, if you want to have the calendar free nwhen they arrive nearby.
Bjornulf
Monday Oct 15 : Announcing 4 shows in London + Newark
Thursday Oct 25 : First club show at la Trabendo
Sunday Nov 25 : First public show London O2
They sell out tickets in a week, actually in a day. They are unique, and they do know it.
I am pretty sure they will announce short time, block by block, few commitments, so forget about planning anything serious like weddings, holidays, big parties or stuff like that, if you want to have the calendar free nwhen they arrive nearby.
Bjornulf
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
straycatuk
()
Date: January 20, 2013 20:47
I feared this would be the case. Looks as if there will be nothing before the late spring /summer, then short notice announcements of small blocks of expensive shows.
I know they appeared to sell out in hours,but the re-sellers really distorted and inflated ticket sales. I don't know if they (or the promoter) can continue the recent pricing structure. I suppose they will have to wait to see what's on the table .
This type of touring probably means less shows for hardcore fans as travel plans and affordability need plenty of forward planning IMO.
sc uk
I know they appeared to sell out in hours,but the re-sellers really distorted and inflated ticket sales. I don't know if they (or the promoter) can continue the recent pricing structure. I suppose they will have to wait to see what's on the table .
This type of touring probably means less shows for hardcore fans as travel plans and affordability need plenty of forward planning IMO.
sc uk
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
Dan
()
Date: January 20, 2013 21:20
A friend of mine said a friend of his is in running for a job on a tour beginning in April but it sounds like a really short one, like 8 weeks, consistent with the bits and pieces mentioned here.
The only thing concrete anyone mentioned is the Plains Of Abraham show in August, they tend to do pretty well in Canada. $8-10 million paycheck possible based upon Madonna's box score.
Plains of Abraham Quebec City 70,569 / 70,569(100%) $8,098,292[142]
The only thing concrete anyone mentioned is the Plains Of Abraham show in August, they tend to do pretty well in Canada. $8-10 million paycheck possible based upon Madonna's box score.
Plains of Abraham Quebec City 70,569 / 70,569(100%) $8,098,292[142]
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: January 20, 2013 21:50
Quote
corriecas
im afraid that Peanut gallery is another alias of superrevy or that other ..stonestod
jeroen
we dont need them i think
jeroen
no...peanut gallery and superrevy are saints compared to s/t....no way they could stoop as low as that jackass....
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
bv
()
Date: January 20, 2013 21:53
I have seen several more festival sites bidding for their appearance.
Bjornulf
Bjornulf
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: January 20, 2013 22:15
Quote
bv
I am pretty sure they will announce short time, block by block, few commitments
Peanut and c, my speculation about "targeted" shows is pretty much in line with
what bv is saying. So pick on him too.
I'm not being overly negative. All I said to start this off was Keith was wrong
when he said that the success of the five shows would lead to an unstoppable
juggernaut.
No juggernaut was created. No massive tour will happen. Just some shows if
and when the money is right.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-20 22:15 by superrevvy.
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: January 20, 2013 22:38
Quote
bv
I have seen several more festival sites bidding for their appearance.
This is a true story that I think is applicable. Rihanna was not on tour during
the summer of 2012. But suddenly some festival in Azerbaijan, of all places,
offered her $7 million to headline. So she got her band together for one
day of rehearsals and did the show.
So perhaps, if you're of the mind and have the cash, you'll get the opportunity
soon to, besides singing your "woo woo"s, to swim in the Caspian and visit the 13th
century Bibi-Heybat Mosque in Baku...
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
Woz
()
Date: January 20, 2013 23:04
There will be a tour late summer into the Autumn. In the meantime, enjoy the Spring and early summer. I'm looking forward to the shows myself. See you there!
Re: Stones Tour 2013
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: January 20, 2013 23:17
Quote
superrevvyQuote
bv
I am pretty sure they will announce short time, block by block, few commitments
Peanut and c, my speculation about "targeted" shows is pretty much in line with
what bv is saying. So pick on him too.
I'm not being overly negative. All I said to start this off was Keith was wrong
when he said that the success of the five shows would lead to an unstoppable
juggernaut.
No juggernaut was created. No massive tour will happen. Just some shows if
and when the money is right.
I don't think some targeted shows and a massive tour are necessarily incompatible. I think that, given their ages, they have every reason to proceed with caution. So, a few months of touring, if that goes well, take a break for a few months, then another few months, the same...and before you know it it's been a year or two of touring.
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