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StonesTod
why would the stones release a 4cd set of dylan songs from 62-63?
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StonesTod
why would the stones release a 4cd set of dylan songs from 62-63?
dont you think we should check with the Bard ?Quote
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StonesTod
why would the stones release a 4cd set of dylan songs from 62-63?
i suppose it could help add to their retirement coffers, but still...there's something very cynical about the whole idea....
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kowalski
The reason why : [www.digitalmusicnews.com]
Interesting reading with Stones related content.
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RKH1981
Thanks for the link to the article and replies kowalski and JohnH!
Ok, so if I'm reading the article and understanding this right, it was basically a precautionary move on Sony's part to make sure that for the next 50-70 years these outtakes will not become public domain. Sony felt that had to officially release these outtakes that weren't officially/legally released in order for the recordings to fall under the copyright protection laws which offer 50, soon to be 70 years of protection.
I hope that's right and we see some unexpected releases pop up in upcoming years!
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stonesnow
We wouldn't really be discussing such a release for The Stones until 2021, since ABKCO owns the rights to their back catalog up to 1970.
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We wouldn't really be discussing such a release for The Stones until 2021, since ABKCO owns the rights to their back catalog up to 1970.
Apparently the problem (at least for music companies) is the 50 years copyright limit in Europe. Which means after 50 years of its publishing a recording falls into public domain. That's why the first Bob Dylan album is now public domain in Europe. (Just check the recent reissues of his first album under various covers)
Also if a recording is not published after 50 years of its recording it will become public domain. So by publishing these demos tracks Sony Music claims rights on it for the next 50 years. At least that's how I understand it...
So maybe there's a chance that unpublished Stones first recordings owned by ABKCO fall in public domain pretty soon. Or maybe they already did something to prevent this to happen.
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StonesTod
why would the stones release a 4cd set of dylan songs from 62-63?
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stonesnow
We wouldn't really be discussing such a release for The Stones until 2021, since ABKCO owns the rights to their back catalog up to 1970.
Apparently the problem (at least for music companies) is the 50 years copyright limit in Europe. Which means after 50 years of its publishing a recording falls into public domain. That's why the first Bob Dylan album is now public domain in Europe. (Just check the recent reissues of his first album under various covers)
Also if a recording is not published after 50 years of its recording it will become public domain. So by publishing these demos tracks Sony Music claims rights on it for the next 50 years. At least that's how I understand it...
So maybe there's a chance that unpublished Stones first recordings owned by ABKCO fall in public domain pretty soon. Or maybe they already did something to prevent this to happen.
Yes, you describe the legal situation pretty accurately. The thing is that the 50 years protection period begins with the FIRST PUBLICATION if a recording is released, and with the DATE OF FIXATION (RECORDING) if it's unreleased. So 50 years old unreleased outtakes could gain another 50 years of protection when they are released to the public as long as they are still protected and not in the public domain already. Sony obviously plays safe here and "releases" this stuff with a minimum of effort (and even mp3 quality) to just 100 people - but that seems to be sufficient as the copyright laws do not specify that "released to the public" should at least be 1.000 or 10.000 or 100.000, consequently, just 100 should be enough to qualify as "public".
And, yes of course, we may see some similar efforts by other artists/labels in the years to come. The Stones already released their IBC Demos....
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frogman9
They are not Cd's they are CDR's ......pretty hefty price tag for four blanks.
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We wouldn't really be discussing such a release for The Stones until 2021, since ABKCO owns the rights to their back catalog up to 1970.
Apparently the problem (at least for music companies) is the 50 years copyright limit in Europe. Which means after 50 years of its publishing a recording falls into public domain. That's why the first Bob Dylan album is now public domain in Europe. (Just check the recent reissues of his first album under various covers)
Also if a recording is not published after 50 years of its recording it will become public domain. So by publishing these demos tracks Sony Music claims rights on it for the next 50 years. At least that's how I understand it...
So maybe there's a chance that unpublished Stones first recordings owned by ABKCO fall in public domain pretty soon. Or maybe they already did something to prevent this to happen.
Yes, you describe the legal situation pretty accurately. The thing is that the 50 years protection period begins with the FIRST PUBLICATION if a recording is released, and with the DATE OF FIXATION (RECORDING) if it's unreleased. So 50 years old unreleased outtakes could gain another 50 years of protection when they are released to the public as long as they are still protected and not in the public domain already. Sony obviously plays safe here and "releases" this stuff with a minimum of effort (and even mp3 quality) to just 100 people - but that seems to be sufficient as the copyright laws do not specify that "released to the public" should at least be 1.000 or 10.000 or 100.000, consequently, just 100 should be enough to qualify as "public".
And, yes of course, we may see some similar efforts by other artists/labels in the years to come. The Stones already released their IBC Demos....
Which means The Beatles were pretty smart to release their Anthology series the way they did--even if someone else owns, or did own, the publishing rights. Also, what about occasional "reissues" as a result of remastering? Does an official reissue of an album of songs in this case set the copyright half-life back to zero? For instance, the copyright date on the back of all the Stones ABKCO remastered CDs is 2002, so under current Euro copyright laws, wouldn't that keep them from the public domain until 2052?
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corriecas
Will never happen.
or maybe when everyone in the band is dead for over 10 years.