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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
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With the announcement of MJ Blige and Gary Clark Jr as guests and no mention of MT/BZ it's not looking very promising -> [www.iorr.org] - but who knows, maybe they're doing it the other way this time.
For the London shows, the special guests were confirmed a few days before the announcement that Taylor and Wyman would be playing.
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If MT is in the CITY, playing YCAGWYW without him is an insult to ears and mind...
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
Well, his style and fluidity with Dylan, maybe his best as a lead player imo, and the things he did in the mid 9-tees-I saw him then- reminds me a lot of his Mayall and Stones days, quite similar actually.. The change came later, to my ears.
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
Well, his style and fluidity with Dylan, maybe his best as a lead player imo, and the things he did in the mid 9-tees-I saw him then- reminds me a lot of his Mayall and Stones days, quite similar actually.. The change came later, to my ears.
Yeah, definitely agree about the Dylan-gigs. It's not black and white.
Then again, you can hear hints of the change already on his debut album, imo.
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
Well, his style and fluidity with Dylan, maybe his best as a lead player imo, and the things he did in the mid 9-tees-I saw him then- reminds me a lot of his Mayall and Stones days, quite similar actually.. The change came later, to my ears.
Yeah, definitely agree about the Dylan-gigs. It's not black and white.
Then again, you can hear hints of the change already on his debut album, imo.
It always amazes me why people call the 8-tees the "wrong decade"-apart from the Stones of course Some of the greatest stuff happened there, imo. But that's OT.
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I agree that Taylor's playing during those 25 and 29 November concerts differs from his playing during the early 70ties with the Stones. It's less fluid and soaring, it's shorter and the notes are more 'separated' from each other. I too prefer his 70ties style with the Stones. Still, his playing added something extra the Stones miss painfully as a band. Keith and Ronnie don't offer that special excitement that Taylor's playing does, even if it's not as 'fantastic' as it used to be during the 69-74 epoque.
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
Well, his style and fluidity with Dylan, maybe his best as a lead player imo, and the things he did in the mid 9-tees-I saw him then- reminds me a lot of his Mayall and Stones days, quite similar actually.. The change came later, to my ears.
Yeah, definitely agree about the Dylan-gigs. It's not black and white.
Then again, you can hear hints of the change already on his debut album, imo.
It always amazes me why people call the 8-tees the "wrong decade"-apart from the Stones of course Some of the greatest stuff happened there, imo. But that's OT.
Drum machines, synths, hairdos, fashion, taste, sound (in general), reverb, echo, massive "na na na-choruses" + + + I can go on forever.
Of course I like lots of stuff from the 80s myself, but it wasn't exactly my favorite decade when it comes to music, very much because of the sound.
Unfortunately, all of the things mentioned above wore off on most of the good acts as well. Not many of our favorite Stones, Who, Pink Floyd or Status Quo-albums are from the 80s.
The new technology was so distinct (and different) that it made the music quickly sound more dated/obsolete than music from the 50s, 60s and 70s.
The uproar happened in the 90s with grunge, when all the stuff from the 80s, even the flashy guitar solos , was stripped off. They took it to far, though, imo. The 90s was even more boring, but not as tasteless-sounding, imo.
Just my two cents (although I really liked The Cars for some reason)
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I agree that Taylor's playing during those 25 and 29 November concerts differs from his playing during the early 70ties with the Stones. It's less fluid and soaring, it's shorter and the notes are more 'separated' from each other. I too prefer his 70ties style with the Stones. Still, his playing added something extra the Stones miss painfully as a band. Keith and Ronnie don't offer that special excitement that Taylor's playing does, even if it's not as 'fantastic' as it used to be during the 69-74 epoque.
It was much more exciting than anyone could dream of prior to the shows.
Good to see you back, kleermaker!
PS: It was Taylor's first gig since 1981 with the Stones. Let's give him time, I'm sure he will work some wonderment out
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No, he's not. However, I've always found Taylor's playing good, but he has indeed developed a different style, playing very often without a pick. The runs are shorter, his sense of timing is different and the sound is cleaner.
I've seen him live three times before, and he always played well - no matter how the show was. However, none of those gigs showed the Taylor we know from the 70s.[DP]
Yes, I agree, the runs a shorter, the sound is cleaner, the timing different.
I liked the the "old Taylor" much more, certainly within the Stones framework.
There are some moments when he's "back there", albeit shortly. We should treasure those moments.
Yes, we cannot turn back the clock, just play those old bootlegs.
I wonder what made him change his style, he was a born "genuine fluid" blues player. Like he's been brainwashed or something.
My guess is that, after the "prog-flirt" with Jack Bruce, he really tried to get back to the pure (unfortunately imo "white boy") blues. Throughout the "wrong" decade (the 80s) his sound and style developed in a slightly "sterile" way.
Since he's been playing within that framework for 30 years now, it might be kinda hard to break out of?
Just a theory...
Well, his style and fluidity with Dylan, maybe his best as a lead player imo, and the things he did in the mid 9-tees-I saw him then- reminds me a lot of his Mayall and Stones days, quite similar actually.. The change came later, to my ears.
Yeah, definitely agree about the Dylan-gigs. It's not black and white.
Then again, you can hear hints of the change already on his debut album, imo.
It always amazes me why people call the 8-tees the "wrong decade"-apart from the Stones of course Some of the greatest stuff happened there, imo. But that's OT.
Drum machines, synths, hairdos, fashion, taste, sound (in general), reverb, echo, massive "na na na-choruses" + + + I can go on forever.
Of course I like lots of stuff from the 80s myself, but it wasn't exactly my favorite decade when it comes to music, very much because of the sound.
Unfortunately, all of the things mentioned above wore off on most of the good acts as well. Not many of our favorite Stones, Who, Pink Floyd or Status Quo-albums are from the 80s.
The new technology was so distinct (and different) that it made the music quickly sound more dated/obsolete than music from the 50s, 60s and 70s.
The uproar happened in the 90s with grunge, when all the stuff from the 80s, even the flashy guitar solos , was stripped off. They took it to far, though, imo. The 90s was even more boring, but not as tasteless-sounding, imo.
Just my two cents (although I really liked The Cars for some reason)
The Cars struck the perfect balance of synth and straight rock. FU to god for taking Benjamin Orr at 53
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Wyman was nice for nostalgia but he didn't really add anything to the show.
Who cares? It was great to see him re-united with the Stones. As an original member of the band he is unworthy of any criticism.
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Wyman was nice for nostalgia but he didn't really add anything to the show.
Who cares? It was great to see him re-united with the Stones. As an original member of the band he is unworthy of any criticism.
This is the correct answer.
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Wyman was nice for nostalgia but he didn't really add anything to the show.
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Wyman was nice for nostalgia but he didn't really add anything to the show.
Who cares? It was great to see him re-united with the Stones. As an original member of the band he is unworthy of any criticism.
This is the correct answer.
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Wyman was nice for nostalgia but he didn't really add anything to the show.
Who cares? It was great to see him re-united with the Stones. As an original member of the band he is unworthy of any criticism.
This is the correct answer.
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I agree that Taylor's playing during those 25 and 29 November concerts differs from his playing during the early 70ties with the Stones. It's less fluid and soaring, it's shorter and the notes are more 'separated' from each other. I too prefer his 70ties style with the Stones. Still, his playing added something extra the Stones miss painfully as a band. Keith and Ronnie don't offer that special excitement that Taylor's playing does, even if it's not as 'fantastic' as it used to be during the 69-74 epoque.
It was much more exciting than anyone could dream of prior to the shows.
Good to see you back, kleermaker!
PS: It was Taylor's first gig since 1981 with the Stones. Let's give him time, I'm sure he will work some wonderment out
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With the announcement of MJ Blige and Gary Clark Jr as guests and no mention of MT/BZ it's not looking very promising -> [www.iorr.org] - but who knows, maybe they're doing it the other way this time.
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Maybe they get the Brooklyn gig out of the way, without MT & Bill, and then announce them as being on board for the PPV on the 15th to drive sales. By the way, I was watching Monday Night Footbal last night and the song played was It's Only Rock and Roll. The band footage shown was the Stones performing the song at O2, with Wyman.
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Maybe they get the Brooklyn gig out of the way, without MT & Bill, and then announce them as being on board for the PPV on the 15th to drive sales. By the way, I was watching Monday Night Footbal last night and the song played was It's Only Rock and Roll. The band footage shown was the Stones performing the song at O2, with Wyman.
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Maybe they get the Brooklyn gig out of the way, without MT & Bill, and then announce them as being on board for the PPV on the 15th to drive sales. By the way, I was watching Monday Night Footbal last night and the song played was It's Only Rock and Roll. The band footage shown was the Stones performing the song at O2, with Wyman.
Well, that would suck big time as I am going to th Brooklyn show.