Stonesdoug on the Shidoobee site mentions there is a rumor of the Stones playing at Madison Square Garden in January.

How're they gonna find 20,000 people willing to get ripped off twice in the space of a few weeks?

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How're they gonna find 20,000 people willing to get ripped off twice in the space of a few weeks?

4 times...NJ isn't that far away!

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How're they gonna find 20,000 people willing to get ripped off twice in the space of a few weeks?

More than twice.

You think it's the same 20,000 people going to every show?

Tickets will be $4,000 each.

This is getting to be exactly like one of those horror movies with four or five
false endings. Every time I think we've once and for all put a stake through
the heart of this misshapen beast, it comes back "alive" again, or whatever
the right word is for when zombies are yet again limping about.

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This is getting to be exactly like one of those horror movies with four or five
false endings. Every time I think we've once and for all put a stake through
the heart of this misshapen beast, it comes back "alive" again, or whatever
the right word is for when zombies are yet again limping about.

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

Well,their ego may make them do it,but unless they bring those prices down drastically,they will have a half empty house,l just checked at Ticketmaster and there are plenty of tickets available for Brooklyn,plus 1000's available at stubhub,and similar places,so it doesn't make sense,but who knows..

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

Yeah, those faster-than-lightning selling tickets simply require another show in the same area...BRUAAAA HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!

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Well,their ego may make them do it,but unless they bring those prices down drastically,they will have a half empty house,l just checked at Ticketmaster and there are plenty of tickets available for Brooklyn,plus 1000's available at stubhub,and similar places,so it doesn't make sense,but who knows..

NOT their ego. mick's lack of ego.

for the hundreth time, mick is trying his best to kill off the stones in such
a way that nobody will care anymore that they're done.

and he's doing a fine job of it, i must say.

it would have been much more dignified if keith would have just retired, but
since he won't, mick is gonna force him into it, no matter how many shitty
overpriced shows it takes for keith and everybody else to see the light.

it is the only way for mick to finally get the STONES MONKEY off his back forever.



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Well,their ego may make them do it,but unless they bring those prices down drastically,they will have a half empty house,l just checked at Ticketmaster and there are plenty of tickets available for Brooklyn,plus 1000's available at stubhub,and similar places,so it doesn't make sense,but who knows..

NOT their ego. mick's lack of ego.

for the hundreth time, mick is trying his best to kill off the stones in such
a way that nobody will care anymore that they're done.

and he's doing a fine job of it, i must say.

it would have been much more dignified if keith would have just retired, but
since he won't, mick is gonna force him into it, no matter how many shitty
overpriced shows it takes for keith and everybody else to see the light.

it is the only way for mick to finally get the STONES MONKEY off his back forever.

Mick's revenge?

as the film "crossfire hurricane" patiently explains, starting in 1981 the Stones
abandoned cutting-edge cultural relevance and became mostly just entertainment
(with a bit of social commentary thrown in for the intelligentsia)

yes, damn fine entertainment, but that is all.

but now 1) they are not particularly entertaining anymore, and 2) the world is
in desperate need of cutting-edge cultural relevance again from its artists.

thus the Stones have moved over time from revolutionary to mainstream to
reactionary. and thus the time has come. they MUST end so the world can once
again move forward.

its brave on Mick's part because there's only a small chance that he'll get
to play a significant role in the new era. but there is zero chance if he sticks
with keith and the stones.

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Mick's revenge?

no, not revenge. he loves keith, and he loves the stones. it just that their
time has past, and he wants to be free.

i'm sure mick is greatly looking forward to doing stones songs with other artists,
whether it be the Foos or SuperHeavy or Jeff Beck or some completely new
band.



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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free



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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

I'm within 8miles and just can't do it this time, it's defeating. Using what money i can do and getting some Stones CD singles I've been wanting.

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

Not even close. As I mentioned earlier, the "50 and Counting" tour will be around for a couple of years. No lengthy run of dates in a short time will be announced. Mick wants for The Stones to be the biggest grossing act of all time, as for Mick especially there is great media prestige in that. They will announce a few shows at a time, in major metropolitan areas where there are enough people to pay the huge ticket prices. Doesn't matter if they sell them all, with the secondary markets in play, they have a guaranteed amount up front, a good $6 to $7 million per show. They will announce one MSG show, then soon after another. Notice the pattern here? A show or two announced a couple of months ahead of time, with an extra show or two added. The first announcement creates demand, because you don't know where or if and when they'll play beyond the few dates announced. What appears to be a mini-tour will just string along over months and when the money is counted will be a major-grossing "tour"--one to top U2. Let's see, one show at MSG makes it $38 million total, one more makes it $45 million, then it's another $705 million to go for the record.

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Stonesdoug on the Shidoobee site mentions there is a rumor of the Stones playing at Madison Square Garden in January.

They should do it on the tenth anniversary of the MSG concert in 2003. Or maybe on January 12 on Charlie's 50th anniversary with the band?

The prices are prohibitive for the vast majority of fans. Eventually the pot runs dry at those prices, regardless of where the show moves. I just hope they plan some BIG shows for the Spring/Summer/Fall of 2013. Unless they do that, prices don't look to be coming down.

Count me in the boat of 'being able to afford it, but unwilling to pay the price'. $500 for bad seats is horrific. Especially here in the US. We have another 4 years of uncertainty for business-owners, myself included. I am already putting back every dime I can and there's no way I'm paying $1600 for two tickets to ANYTHING.

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

so the logical extension of this mad theory is that it is mick himself who
is trying to engineer a last minute price crash for the tickets.

so obviously he is grateful to those on IORR and other Stones sites who are
trying to do the same. mick loves it when someone else does the dirty work.

(Mick finds it hard to cruel with a smile)

Mick has tried giving keith and his fans the velvet glove. Now he's trying to
give them the knockout punch.

Please. Let him go.



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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

so the logical extension of this mad theory is that it is mick himself who
is trying to engineer a last minute price crash for the tickets.

so obviously he is grateful to those on IORR and other Stones sites who are
trying to do the same. mick loves it when someone else does the dirty work.

(Mick finds it hard to cruel with a smile)

Mick has tried giving keith and his fans the velvet glove. Now he's trying to
give them the knockout punch.

Please. Let him go.

Now that you xplain it in Stonesian I get it.

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

I think there are other pockets of wealth, but generally, yeah.

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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

so the logical extension of this mad theory is that it is mick himself who
is trying to engineer a last minute price crash for the tickets.

so obviously he is grateful to those on IORR and other Stones sites who are
trying to do the same. mick loves it when someone else does the dirty work.

(Mick finds it hard to cruel with a smile)

Mick has tried giving keith and his fans the velvet glove. Now he's trying to
give them the knockout punch.

Please. Let him go.

wow...we're gonna get it straight from the shoulder.

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free

Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....

Not even close. As I mentioned earlier, the "50 and Counting" tour will be around for a couple of years. No lengthy run of dates in a short time will be announced. Mick wants for The Stones to be the biggest grossing act of all time, as for Mick especially there is great media prestige in that. They will announce a few shows at a time, in major metropolitan areas where there are enough people to pay the huge ticket prices. Doesn't matter if they sell them all, with the secondary markets in play, they have a guaranteed amount up front, a good $6 to $7 million per show. They will announce one MSG show, then soon after another. Notice the pattern here? A show or two announced a couple of months ahead of time, with an extra show or two added. The first announcement creates demand, because you don't know where or if and when they'll play beyond the few dates announced. What appears to be a mini-tour will just string along over months and when the money is counted will be a major-grossing "tour"--one to top U2. Let's see, one show at MSG makes it $38 million total, one more makes it $45 million, then it's another $705 million to go for the record.

I think you are here hitting somewhere here. It could be very well that they have a new winning receipt in their hands now, The common idea is that these London/NYC area dates are a special occassion to celebrate the 50th Anniversary, and a 'normal' tour will follow afterwards. But mostly the latter right now is just a wish talk by fans.

There are lots of capitals and business centers in the world where they could apply the new concept. And most likely a few dates announced anywhere in the world would make a huge fuss in that area (being that 'special'). And there surely are rather enough folks with the needed money in pocket.

From the view of the Stones, this is a win-win situation. The whole thing will not be so stressing as a whole scale tour that probably starts being too much asked from the folks of their age and health (thinking also, say, of securance issues). And keeping the tickets prices sky-high, that is, there is a promoter (or whatever instance) who will pay them the asked sum, and then sell the product to consumers, they will gather easily kind of sums they once did for bigger effort. And there will be no 'ends' in near future: the concept can be used as long they think it is worth of that. 50 AND COUNTING indeed. Its more 'flexible' than a normal tour, since each concert is a kind of individual event.

If this will come true, we might expect some 'surprise' gigs as well - be them such things as in Paris or, say, an appearance in a rock festival. A kind of things that would keep hopes of the fans alive, and the biggest criticism by the media absent. Call them 'PR gigs'.

- Doxa



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There will be lots of gigs in 2013.

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I think you are here hitting somewhere here. It could be very well that they have a new winning receipt in their hands now, The common idea is that these London/NYC area dates are a special occassion to celebrate the 50th Anniversary, and a 'normal' tour will follow afterwards. But mostly the latter right now is just a wish talk by fans.

There are lots of capitals and business centers in the world where they could apply the new concept. And most likely a few dates announced anywhere in the world would make a huge fuss in that area (being that 'special'). And there surely are rather enough folks with the needed money in pocket.

From the view of the Stones, this is a win-win situation. The whole thing will not be so stressing as a whole scale tour that probably starts being too much asked from the folks of their age and health (thinking also, say, of securance issues). And keeping the tickets prices sky-high, that is, there is a promoter (or whatever instance) who will pay them the asked sum, and then sell the product to consumers, they will gather easily kind of sums they once did for bigger effort. And there will be no 'ends' in near future: the concept can be used as long they think it is worth of that. 50 AND COUNTING indeed. Its more 'flexible' than a normal tour, since each concert is a kind of individual event.

If this will come true, we might expect some 'surprise' gigs as well - be them such things as in Paris or, say, an appearance in a rock festival. A kind of things that would keep hopes of the fans alive, and the biggest criticism by the media absent. Call them 'PR gigs'.

- Doxa

Yes that's certainly the most reasonable approach at this time, no more lengthy and grinding tours and endless layover periods, they'll want to keep their chops and play whenever they feel like it and take time off for other projets if need be. That's what McCartney's been doing over the past three years now and it seems to be working well for him and the fans.

Hopefully the good reception of the new songs, particularly D&G, five successful shows (touch wood) and this more "relaxed" atmosphere within the band (no longer that new album/massive tour combo pressure) will take them back to the studio. Actually that's pretty much a lock now I think since Mick said he wanted to do it and Keith will certainly be all for that. Good times ahead, guys !

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Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???

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