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Doxa
I think you are here hitting somewhere here. It could be very well that they have a new winning receipt in their hands now, The common idea is that these London/NYC area dates are a special occassion to celebrate the 50th Anniversary, and a 'normal' tour will follow afterwards. But mostly the latter right now is just a wish talk by fans.
There are lots of capitals and business centers in the world where they could apply the new concept. And most likely a few dates announced anywhere in the world would make a huge fuss in that area (being that 'special'). And there surely are rather enough folks with the needed money in pocket.
From the view of the Stones, this is a win-win situation. The whole thing will not be so stressing as a whole scale tour that probably starts being too much asked from the folks of their age and health (thinking also, say, of securance issues). And keeping the tickets prices sky-high, that is, there is a promoter (or whatever instance) who will pay them the asked sum, and then sell the product to consumers, they will gather easily kind of sums they once did for bigger effort. And there will be no 'ends' in near future: the concept can be used as long they think it is worth of that. 50 AND COUNTING indeed. Its more 'flexible' than a normal tour, since each concert is a kind of individual event.
If this will come true, we might expect some 'surprise' gigs as well - be them such things as in Paris or, say, an appearance in a rock festival. A kind of things that would keep hopes of the fans alive, and the biggest criticism by the media absent. Call them 'PR gigs'.
- Doxa
Yes that's certainly the most reasonable approach at this time, no more lengthy and grinding tours and endless layover periods, they'll want to keep their chops and play whenever they feel like it and take time off for other projets if need be. That's what McCartney's been doing over the past three years now and it seems to be working well for him and the fans.
Hopefully the good reception of the new songs, particularly D&G, five successful shows (touch wood) and this more "relaxed" atmosphere within the band (no longer that new album/massive tour combo pressure) will take them back to the studio. Actually that's pretty much a lock now I think since Mick said he wanted to do it and Keith will certainly be all for that. Good times ahead, guys !
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TeddyB1018
There will be lots of gigs in 2013.
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Doxa
I think you are here hitting somewhere here. It could be very well that they have a new winning receipt in their hands now, The common idea is that these London/NYC area dates are a special occassion to celebrate the 50th Anniversary, and a 'normal' tour will follow afterwards. But mostly the latter right now is just a wish talk by fans.
There are lots of capitals and business centers in the world where they could apply the new concept. And most likely a few dates announced anywhere in the world would make a huge fuss in that area (being that 'special'). And there surely are rather enough folks with the needed money in pocket.
From the view of the Stones, this is a win-win situation. The whole thing will not be so stressing as a whole scale tour that probably starts being too much asked from the folks of their age and health (thinking also, say, of securance issues). And keeping the tickets prices sky-high, that is, there is a promoter (or whatever instance) who will pay them the asked sum, and then sell the product to consumers, they will gather easily kind of sums they once did for bigger effort. And there will be no 'ends' in near future: the concept can be used as long they think it is worth of that. 50 AND COUNTING indeed. Its more 'flexible' than a normal tour, since each concert is a kind of individual event.
If this will come true, we might expect some 'surprise' gigs as well - be them such things as in Paris or, say, an appearance in a rock festival. A kind of things that would keep hopes of the fans alive, and the biggest criticism by the media absent. Call them 'PR gigs'.
- Doxa
Yes that's certainly the most reasonable approach at this time, no more lengthy and grinding tours and endless layover periods, they'll want to keep their chops and play whenever they feel like it and take time off for other projets if need be. That's what McCartney's been doing over the past three years now and it seems to be working well for him and the fans.
Hopefully the good reception of the new songs, particularly D&G, five successful shows (touch wood) and this more "relaxed" atmosphere within the band (no longer that new album/massive tour combo pressure) will take them back to the studio. Actually that's pretty much a lock now I think since Mick said he wanted to do it and Keith will certainly be all for that. Good times ahead, guys !
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TeddyB1018
There will be lots of gigs in 2013.
yup.
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gotdablouse
Well if they play arenas in large cities I don't see why the pricing would be any different. Why would they change it since they sold out these five shows?
@Doxa - yes, by "good times ahead" I was also/mostly thinking about a new album and seeing them play concerts regularly and get coverage in the news, that's always "pleasant" for a die-hard fan. As for seeing them live again, I passed on their shows for 10 years before the Trabendo/mini-Trabendo/O2 "triple" so I won't be anxious about going back. A "golden circle" at €150 (€90 in 2007 apparently) in a big stadium like the Stade de France could be of interest though ;-)
As for Switzerland speaking, nobody would pay such prices to see anyone, even though the salary structure might be higher. Don't forget that living is already much more expensive, then again has its big advantages to live here. Streisand tickets went two days before the show 2/3 down and people got furious as some already bought the highly priced tickets while other hat the benefit. Even then the Arena was ca half full. Interesintwise some major acts in Switzerland hat cheaper tickets than in Germany, like Tina Turner the last time and also others I went to. Switzerland would be only good if they would be 3-5 concerts as the only ones in Middle Europe. Then I could imagine that there is some going.Quote
paulywaul
Might be wishful thinking, but I for one would find it hard to believe that if they elect to put on shows in anything other than countries like the U.K. & the U.S. & say Scandinavia, Switzerland perhaps - where for better or for worse, incomes ARE greater than in most all other parts of the world, they could adopt the same pricing structure. I don't think so. By ANY standards, these are very highly priced shows, even by U.K & U.S standards - let alone other hemispheres.
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gotdablouse
Well if they play arenas in large cities I don't see why the pricing would be any different. Why would they change it since they sold out these five shows?
@Doxa - yes, by "good times ahead" I was also/mostly thinking about a new album and seeing them play concerts regularly and get coverage in the news, that's always "pleasant" for a die-hard fan. As for seeing them live again, I passed on their shows for 10 years before the Trabendo/mini-Trabendo/O2 "triple" so I won't be anxious about going back. A "golden circle" at €150 (€90 in 2007 apparently) in a big stadium like the Stade de France could be of interest though ;-)
If you listen carefully to what Jagger & Co have said about prices (not a lot admittedly), they have vaguely alluded to the fact that the pricing of these shows was in part determined by a need to recoup some kind of "significant" initial outlay as he/they put it, presumably that refers to all these prolonged rehearsals and the stage and all that stuff. In that respect, possibly incorrectly - but possibly not - one interpretation that's been put on what he/they have said is that these initial shows will assume a different (higher) pricing structure than anything else that might follow - IF of course anthing at all follows !!
Might be wishful thinking, but I for one would find it hard to believe that if they elect to put on shows in anything other than countries like the U.K. & the U.S. & say Scandinavia, Switzerland perhaps - where for better or for worse, incomes ARE greater than in most all other parts of the world, they could adopt the same pricing structure. I don't think so. By ANY standards, these are very highly priced shows, even by U.K & U.S standards - let alone other hemispheres.
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TeddyB1018
There will be lots of gigs in 2013.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
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Woz
There will be a few nights at MSG and 3 nights in LA in early February.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
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Well,their ego may make them do it,but unless they bring those prices down drastically,they will have a half empty house,l just checked at Ticketmaster and there are plenty of tickets available for Brooklyn,plus 1000's available at stubhub,and similar places,so it doesn't make sense,but who knows..
NOT their ego. mick's lack of ego.
for the hundreth time, mick is trying his best to kill off the stones in such
a way that nobody will care anymore that they're done.
and he's doing a fine job of it, i must say.
it would have been much more dignified if keith would have just retired, but
since he won't, mick is gonna force him into it, no matter how many shitty
overpriced shows it takes for keith and everybody else to see the light.
it is the only way for mick to finally get the STONES MONKEY off his back forever.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
Gazza,
Unfortunately, this is indeed the case. I, for one, who have managed to see each tour since Bridges - and granted I had no intention of going on this one unless Taylor and Wyman were there - simply could not afford the tix even if I wanted to. Living paycheck to paycheck these days, still working at my job, with nominal increases that don't even come close to keeping up with the inflation going on. As someone else pointed out already, we are in for four more years of further deepening uncertainty, and you can be sure that we are nowhere near the end of our recession.
The costs of some fairly basic, yet pertinent necessities in my household have just about doubled in about a year's time: mayonnaise, peanut butter, coffee. The cost of a new Toyota Highlander for the 2013 model year is up $10K from what it would have cost last year when the lease on my pickup was up. I've noted the costs of Toyota's in general has gone way up in this time period.
There is simply no extravagant amounts of extra money to be had these days, and what is left, isn't going to be spent by the average consumer on ticket prices of this magnitude.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
if Mick can get even the Shidoobs to give up on the band, then he will truly be home free
Now your mad theories are starting to make sense....
Not even close. As I mentioned earlier, the "50 and Counting" tour will be around for a couple of years. No lengthy run of dates in a short time will be announced. Mick wants for The Stones to be the biggest grossing act of all time, as for Mick especially there is great media prestige in that. They will announce a few shows at a time, in major metropolitan areas where there are enough people to pay the huge ticket prices. Doesn't matter if they sell them all, with the secondary markets in play, they have a guaranteed amount up front, a good $6 to $7 million per show. They will announce one MSG show, then soon after another. Notice the pattern here? A show or two announced a couple of months ahead of time, with an extra show or two added. The first announcement creates demand, because you don't know where or if and when they'll play beyond the few dates announced. What appears to be a mini-tour will just string along over months and when the money is counted will be a major-grossing "tour"--one to top U2. Let's see, one show at MSG makes it $38 million total, one more makes it $45 million, then it's another $705 million to go for the record.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
I think its more of a question of common sense and spending the money wisely. This is not wise.
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Gazza
Does the rest of the US outside of a twenty mile radius of Manhattan not have any money at all???
I'm within 8miles and just can't do it this time, it's defeating. Using what money i can do and getting some Stones CD singles I've been wanting.
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steverogan
NY has suffered over 50,000 jobs and approximately 35-50 billion dollars in damages... not so sure a concert is first on their shopping list.