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On a related note, I'm done admiring this tooth. Anybody want it?
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
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On a related note, I'm done admiring this tooth. Anybody want it?
I'm an anti-dentite.
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
No I don't think so at all. Perhaps for a fleeting moment Lennon considered it to try to get back at McCartney, but George was done! And him and Lennon were not getting along that great either. Lennon wanted Plastic Ono Band with Yoko, so I am sure that is what he was referring to.
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
No I don't think so at all. Perhaps for a fleeting moment Lennon considered it to try to get back at McCartney, but George was done! And him and Lennon were not getting along that great either. Lennon wanted Plastic Ono Band with Yoko, so I am sure that is what he was referring to.
He may have called whatever band he put together The Plastic Ono Band, but POB never really had a clearly defined roster. I'm not sure why you think in 1971, when the letter was written, George was done with John. George played on John's Imagine album that year, and even invited him to appear at The Concert For Bangladesh. A few years later, in 1974, their friendship did come to an irrevocable end, but in '71 George would still have been very much at John's beck and call, if John had called.
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
No I don't think so at all. Perhaps for a fleeting moment Lennon considered it to try to get back at McCartney, but George was done! And him and Lennon were not getting along that great either. Lennon wanted Plastic Ono Band with Yoko, so I am sure that is what he was referring to.
He may have called whatever band he put together The Plastic Ono Band, but POB never really had a clearly defined roster. I'm not sure why you think in 1971, when the letter was written, George was done with John. George played on John's Imagine album that year, and even invited him to appear at The Concert For Bangladesh. A few years later, in 1974, their friendship did come to an irrevocable end, but in '71 George would still have been very much at John's beck and call, if John had called.
Why did George and John's friendship come to a "irrevocable end" in 1974?
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On a related note, I'm done admiring this tooth. Anybody want it?
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
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"Eric, I know I can bring out something great, in fact greater in you that had been so far evident in your music."
Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but if I was in Eric's shoes I'd sorta be offended by that. It's like John was saying, "Your efforts in music so far have been promising but nothing to write home about. You obviously need help reaching your potential."
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
Maybe (and possibly a definite maybe if the letter was written a year earlier), but I assume he was talking about the music of the three of them (John, Yoko and Eric) going to the next level. I don't think John had any intention of ever starting up the Beatles again in 1971 or 1972.
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Interesting--and perhaps revealing as well. Does this seem to indicate that Lennon anticipated The Beatles to resume working together as late as September 1971?
Definitely makes you wonder who's the "all of us" he wants to bring out the greatness in. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that what he had in mind was a kind of New Beatles that would have included John, George and Ringo, but not Paul, plus various famous and talented friends; Clapton, Preston, Nilsson, etc.
Maybe (and possibly a definite maybe if the letter was written a year earlier), but I assume he was talking about the music of the three of them (John, Yoko and Eric) going to the next level. I don't think John had any intention of ever starting up the Beatles again in 1971 or 1972.
I doubt he ever would have used the name "Beatles" but a Plastic Ono Band with an ever-changing all-star lineup that at various times could have included a fellow ex-Beatle or two might have been a possibility.
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There is a very interesting final interview with George and John, around 74, there is a audio clip of it, I think on the Beatlesfan site. And they are disagreeing with each other and George goes out of his way to disagree with Lennon and be more assertive, I found that interesting and very indicitive of their relationship, where George finally stopped following Lennon.
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whitem8, you're quite right about how John regarded George as a follower in the early days, which was indeed true. Because when John and George first met, John was nearly 18 and George was barely 15--a huge difference at that age. It was Paul who introduced them, who was closer to George's age and was George's friend first. That view John had of George must have lingered for some time. George did get deported from Hamburg for being underage, and this eventually cut that particular period of their stay there short. George was also slow to develop as a songwriter. As you pointed out in another thread, John would vamp his way through recordings of George's songs--and Paul was guilty of this, too. Ever hear the vocal overdub sessions for George's Rubber Soul track Think For Yourself? John and Paul team up to make it into a Goon's Show:
John was also very reserved in his assessment of All Things Must Pass when commenting on it in his 1971 interview with Rolling Stone, saying something to the effect that it was okay, but that he still didn't think it was George's best work. In a way, I think John was a bit jealous of George in the way that George was able to forge meaningful collaborations with the likes of Eric Clapton [co-write and rhythm guitar on Cream's badge] and Bob Dylan [cover of Dylan's If Not For You, co-write of I'd Have You Anytime] in a way that Lennon was not able to. Harrison collaborated with Clapton, whereas Clapton merely supported Lennon, and Lennon never co-wrote a song with Bob Dylan, but merely imitated him at various points in The Beatles. Harrison was also the first Beatle to record a solo album (Wonderwall).
True, they may have drifted apart, but only because Lennon separated himself from music and musicians for those 5 years as a bread-baking house husband, and history did not allow enough time for them to reconcile, if indeed they had fallen out at all. The last time the four Beatles jammed together was in 1974 in Los Angeles, just before Lennon cleaned up and went back home to Yoko. Harrison did compose the loving tribute All Those Years Ago in 1981, so underneath it all there was respect and admiration, and I believe they would have reformed even sooner than Anthology, perhaps sometime in the early to mid 80s. Lennon after all was one of the biggest Beatles fans of all.
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John described George as a follower
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Yes, your are correct Tele. Actually it was started by Neil Aspinal in 71. The project continued, and Lennon in a close court lawsuite against Beatlemania testified in the late 70s (I think in 79) that the Beatles were planning on regrouping to record material for their movie project of The Long and Winding Road. He testified they were recording some new incedntal music and covers of some of their old material.