They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Did you get your tickets yet?

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I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do

Hahaha! No, none at all. What a complete joke you are.

You got a good point.... next

I don't know about the hypocrisy but you're right about the artistic bit. Since about 30 years the Stones are primarily a business apparatus. The artistic bit comes second. They are a well run corporation good for billions.

Ridiculous. They do not suck. Yes, I am not happy with these tickets and the concerts, but they still are one of The Greatest Rock and Roll bands in world.

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they still are one of The Greatest Rock and Roll bands in world.

No, they "were." You're mythologizing them, as I had a tendency of doing, forcing myself to try to like something from '89 onwards, that in retrospect is mostly lame material.

Even Aerosmith, that IMO was many leagues beneathe the Stones, is more compelling now. The Stones offer nothing except their presence, which admittedly is impressive in and of itself.

If you're not into what they're doing, you're free to f-ing ignore it.

Apples are nice.

Oranges are nice.

Some people hate apples.

Some people hate oranges.

Some people hate apples and oranges.

Some people love apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges suck for some people.

Apples and oranges don't suck for others.

What a weird world.

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Ridiculous. They do not suck. Yes, I am not happy with these tickets and the concerts, but they still are one of The Greatest Rock and Roll bands in world.

YUP!!
GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND IN THE WORLD!!! I agree, still

One thing's for sure: they do suck the money right out of our hands and pockets.

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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Stanley Booth pretty much summed it up: "In the sixties we believed in a myth - that music had the power to change people's lives. Today we believe in a myth - that music is just entertainment or that style is just style". Now, throw in the Stones (then and now) and rethink your statement. Or in that case, think about the lyrics of Street fighting man and Doom and Gloom.

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they still are one of The Greatest Rock and Roll bands in world.

No, they "were." You're mythologizing them, as I had a tendency of doing, forcing myself to try to like something from '89 onwards, that in retrospect is mostly lame material.

Even Aerosmith, that IMO was many leagues beneathe the Stones, is more compelling now. The Stones offer nothing except their presence, which admittedly is impressive in and of itself.

How is my opinion mythologizing them? I still love them. I don't like what they're doing, but that doesn't change my love of them.

The Rolling Stones can at some point deliver great rock and roll but if we look at it seriously:

They say they are a hard working band. Well guess what 2 new in 7 years isn't close to hard work.

They were "rock and roll" in their prime during the 60's, 70's and took rock and roll to a new level with the gigantic shows and tours from the 80's and up to the "Bigger Bang tour".

Today they're just a corporation that draw every penny, dollar or whatever currency the fans pay for tix and so on.
Mr. Jagger (CEO) of this corporation is very skilled in making money out of a legacy that doesn't shine anymore.

Even Keith has gotten into the financial groove by saying "£16 million is good enough for us for 4 shows" This talk about earning money has become more important than the music. Is the motto nowadays "We're only in it for the money"?
Well I guess so!

To me they will remain the "greatest rock and roll band in the world" for what they did musically way back then! But I have to say there's nothing new coming up from the Rolling Stones more than a hype that Mr. Jagger so skillfully arranges.

Me personally don't need another greatest hits album I would prefer to listen to a new album filled with songs that shows that the Stones still can write songs.

I certainly congratulate the fans that got tix and to those who tried and did not succeed I only can say bad luck. Personally I'm happy to say that I couldn't not care less to try to get tix this time. I've been queing outside box offices for hours during cold winter days one too many times to pay overpriced tix to listen to old warhorses yet one more time.

Probably I've seen the Stones for the last time and I am greatful for what I got during all these years. Many memories from diffenrent tours is following me thru my life. But this time I say goodbye to the Stones because it's not ROCK AND ROLL anymore!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!



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Music did and still does have the power to change people's lives, it's just that, in my opinion, life changing music ceased to come from The Rolling Stones a long time ago.

The first ten years are mostly creative and inspired, then something happened and they became something else. It's not about Mick Taylor leaving and/or Ron Wood joining because it seems the creative muse had already begun it's flight elsewhere by 1973/1974.



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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Go out for a nice long walk and quit the hero worship. They are a bunch of 70 year olds, that depending on your opinion, play great music.

Everything else is noise.

"they still are one of The Greatest Rock and Roll bands in world"
On what do you base that? Which new albums have they produced in the past 25 years that have shown that, as a band they are still at the top? They are a marketing/ branding machine, a corporation that continually recycles/ repackages/ the products they produced 30 years ago and offer to customers at very high prices- the Exile re-release, etc.This time around it's another compilation album with 2 new songs (one which, at best is mediocre to many fans). The shows will be more of the same. Twenty songs- 15 of which fans have seen them play each at every show. They'll throw in a couple of "deep cuts", parade out one or two "guests", and play,at best, adequately. KR played poorly at a few shows I was at last tour. RW missed a few notes and was average also."Average" and Adequate" do not equate to still being one of the greatest R/R bands. Last tour they cancelled the AC show at the last minute ( a show which I went to, paid for a hotel, then found out 2 hours before that it was cancelled).I cannot imagine what I would have done had I gone to London and have this happen.No apology from the band either on their website, nor any words from Jagger at the rescheduled event.-- Poor consideration for their supporters, that.They are like a 50 year old still trying to play football at the level he did in his 20's.They are selling nostalgia and a chance for old people to relive their youth for a few hours. A great corporation and branding machine? Yes. A great R&R band at this stage of their career? No..The only good I have gotten from this is the fact that the prices are SO ridiculous it makes the decision NOT to attend (even though i can afford to) an easy one, It's one thing to charge premium prices and provide a good value.It's another to rip people off and not have the ability ( based on mine and others observations from a tour over 5 years ago) to deliver a quality product.Those of you who go, have a great time and savor it.I'll watch the videos posted on Youtube a spend my entertainment dollar elsewhere.

I'm just reading this and smiling. So many more of us iorr'ers are FINALLY cluing in.

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To be fair, they were, arguably, the greatest rock and roll band in the world between 1968-1972. That is more than 40 years ago. But they have certainly made the most out of that. To watch the Stones now can be compared to watching a Borg - McEnroe match on the senior tour. It's them - but they are merely a shadow of their prime time days.

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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Did you get your tickets yet?

Lol 200 LFYH, good one.

I wouldn't say they suck...totally, but they sure are NOT user friendly.

Getting this right is not so hard in this day and age. Springsteen, Petty, PJ, The Dead etc., make this much easier on their fans, as far access to tickets, anti-scalping measures etc. are concerned.

You can still get high prices and do it right. IMO.

...and the pit seats for the PPV are probably reserved for the hired models.



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The RS have given us over 400 original songs. These are available to you at any time of the day or night to enjoy over and over. The cost is minimal. There is also much concert footage available to view at no cost. If this adds to the enjoyment of your life, that's great. If not, you are free to seek enjoyment anywhere you choose. They are old men now, approaching 70 and beyond. If you want to spend time with them, they are entitled to set the terms. They owe you nothing.

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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Right.

And how many people in this thread will renounce their fandom yet will either pay for the PPV, or download it for free, or watch all the clips on YouTube? Oh you all will do it because you'll still be curious, still wondering how and what they performed...but will you admit it here? No freakin' way. After all, you still have to withhold that image to the board that you gave the Stones the finger. If you truly want nothing to do with this band, prove it.

And Paul, your post is completely personal and emotionally bitter. At least admit it. To prance around the board posting rant after rant and not calling it personal is a laugh.



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They stopped putting out any music that matters 30+ years ago. They are, at best, a show band now, not seemingly capable to playing rock music with a nasty or dangerous edge to it, or have the passion they once had.

Compared to what the once were, and what brought them fame, they are a weak shadow of what they were. Keith is an old man that may not have them mental or physical tools to play as he once did. Jagger's writing is boring and his 'live' singing is more shouting.

They are now interested in money over music and are pricing tix so that they guarantee a crowd of investment bankers and brokers trying their best to pretend they too can rock.

That all may point to them 'sucking'.

But they are still better, even in their highly diminished capacity, than most other bands.

I think the original poster was right, though, in saying that like a pro athlete who is no longer capable of being amazing, they might be better remembered if they went out on top. But way too late for that now.

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The RS have given us over 400 original songs. These are available to you at any time of the day or night to enjoy over and over. The cost is minimal. There is also much concert footage available to view at no cost. If this adds to the enjoyment of your life, that's great. If not, you are free to seek enjoyment anywhere you choose. They are old men now, approaching 70 and beyond. If you want to spend time with them, they are entitled to set the terms. They owe you nothing.

You're probably right. I meant they suck now, not their incredible legacy. I guess I'm wishing they went out with some artistic integrity instead of totally selling out, which is what they've done. I liked them more artistically than as an "event", which is all they have become for me.



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They were great, gave me tons of pleasure, but now they suck on many levels. Like the pro athlete that can't hang it up when it's time, it's apparent to me that they should have hung it up before descending artistically into a transparent hypocrisy of socialist political messages combined with elitist ticket prices, boring and uninspiring "boxed sets", and lame new material.

I have no personal or emotional bitterness like some here do, feeling "betrayed"...actually I find the hypocrisy humorous, just as I do in politics, but really, they suck now. They deliver absolutely nothing novel at this point other than a hypocritical transparency, which I guess in its own right is novel.

Right.

And how many people in this thread will renounce their fandom yet will either pay for the PPV, or download it for free, or watch all the clips on YouTube? Oh you all will do it because you'll still be curious, still wondering how and what they performed...but will you admit it here? No freakin' way. After all, you still have to withhold that image to the board that you gave the Stones the finger. If you truly want nothing to do with this band, prove it.

And Paul, your post is completely personal and emotionally bitter. At least admit it. To prance around the board posting rant after rant and not calling it personal is a laugh.

I said I'll watch the videos. the RAW unedited videos of fans.. I am curious to see how they play. I harbor no anymosity to anyone trying to make the most money they can in a way that provides value to consumers. I sincerely hope those who attend have a great time and memorable experience. we all have choices and should not be criticized to "follow our hearts".I stand by my comments tho.The Stones are no longer anywhere near the top of their game. I MAY, based on the videos I see on line, buy the PPV ( provided it is reasoably priced). Otherwise,if the performances merit, I'll buy the DVD.

Nobody can say they like these prices. Having said that they've been heading for this for a while. Each subsequent tour has gotten more expensive and more elaborate while they've upped their marketing game to the point where now they are akin to a luxury brand....and for that you have to pay...being a luxury brand doesn't mean you are the best, it just means you set the bar.

Still the greatest rock'n'roll band in the world. Name another band releasing a better track than d&g this year . Aerosmith? Ha ha, nope!

Naw, they DON'T suck. Even a cynic like myself would LOVE to see them play at my local bar. They're not nearly as good as they were back "in the day" but that's to be expected. You just have to accept that they are a corporation doing what they can at around 70 years of age each. For one thing Ronnie is in desparate need of cash and I think that is one of the reasons they're taking the dinosaur out one last time. That they can generate ANY interest at all these days is phenomenal in itself, you gotta give 'em SOME credit. I think they're trying to bow out as gracefully as they know how. I would have done it a lot differently but I'm not one of The Stones so it really doesn't matter how I'd do it, does it? In contradiction to my pessimism I think they have the ability to do some great shows and put a spotlight on Wyman and Taylor even if only for a brief time. I've waited 37 years for that. Maybe the resultant DVD /TV broadcast will be good.