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Half a decade ago Barbra Streisand charged her fans thousands (5000 and more) dollars to see her perform. We all could see this price rise coming, so we all had that choice (saving up bit by bit). I personally truly feel sorry for all those devoted fans who really can't afford to buy tickets. They may feel the same way today as Keith did when he was a kid. Kids who love their parents hate to see them suffer and wish they would be much better of. THAT doesn't make them (the kids) wannabe aristocrats.The Stones to me are band the true aristocrats wanted to destroy way back in the sixties, but they survived! They deserve every dollar to be what they are and still perform for us today.
I've read that several times, that it was much more dangerous than anybody thought and that he never was nearer to death then there. Since that he takes Dilantin, what also points to strikes.
This is from the independent f.ex.:
'The diagnosis
By Maxine Frith
Relatively few people require surgery after a head injury but Keith Richards' age - and his hellraising past - mean he had an increased risk of potentially fatal complications. People who suffer a minor head injury may suffer a chronic subdural haemorrhage, which causes slow bleeding in the brain and the development of a clot. If the clot increases in size, it begins to compress the brain and restricts the flow of blood. Left untreated, it can cause brain damage. Newspapers in New Zealand have claimed Richards had suffered such a complication, although the band's management denies he suffered a haemorrhage.'
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
But now there's only 4 shows, there were simply too many shows at the ABB tour. Anyway, we'll see how it goes
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 11:55 by Erik_Snow.
wait, so you are saying that by Keith calling upon his fans to act righteous, and respect any artist up on stage trying to sing a song, and to not act like a horde of imbeciles was a bad thing? is him 'showing his true colors'?
That happened in the fall/winter on leg two of the tour - on some weird places as well. Not comparable with these arena shows at all, imo.
Nope, I saw that at every gig here in Germany, in Paris, even MSG was not completely sold out.
That is true only to an extent. $100 tickets would certainly give some fans the opportunity to see the Stones who can't otherwise afford it. Not everyone who buys $100 tickets would re-sell them at $300.. If I could get Four $100 tickets I would keep them all and give a couple away to friends. Other fans might re-sell say two of their tickets to recoup the cost of the other two and see the Stones for free.
The point is that for true Stones fans, the ticket is the goal and I'm sure quite a few would turn down the opportunity to make profit from the tickets if they could afford them in the first place. peace
Yes, as a lashing out for signing with UMe.
That's a very very tight screwing innit.
I agree...I think it will sell out, given the number of dates.
Part of that, quite a large part, was that they wouldn't go away. It's probably logical to think that people saw the expensive ticket prices and decided the hell with that, without seeing cheaper tickets. People got fed up. 'Oh the Stones are coming back around playing the same songs'.
if they play to half empty stadiums when they tour for real, its not as if they'll learn from it and make the NEXT tour affordable.
As there wont be one, they can effectively use the 'like it or lump it' card.
Precisely why they are not announcing the 2013 dates yet. peace
However much they made from high ticket prices, from a legacy point of view, it would be a bad strategy. People would remember the papered-over sections long after they forgot the reason for them being the prohibitive prices.
Maximising profits sadly means that it can be more profitable to have a 50% full venue at high prices than completely full at moderate prices. 25.000 x €100 is just more than 50.000 x €40.
This certainly was the philosophy when selling ABB tickets. They did not need to sell out at those prices. (Only at some places where they turned out to have really overestimated their potential they have cancelled a show, possibly with some health related excuse).
Even if this often led to uncomfortably emtpy stadiums and possibly some image damage from it ("Stones can't sell out stadiums anymore", which is just not true), they appearantly didn't mind playing for empty seats. Because financially, it didn't matter.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 17:44 by Limbostone.
I'm tired of that BS. If it doesn't matter anymore for them if they play in empty houses while the cash is ok, then they can f... off.
The Stones played the Wiltern Theater in L.A. on the 40 Licks tour and charged $50 a ticket. But many of those tickets ended up being resold by scalpers for $2,000 bucks each. That's why I have no problem with the Stones charging a lot for tickets. I'd rather my money go to the Stones than to scalpers. I just do think Keith's salt-of-the-earth image is a bit disingenuous. And Keith wasn't thinking of his parents regarding the "noble family in exile" but of himself, because, as he says, his parents "loved" the council flat house. I'm a Keith fan, but Slash in his autobiography hung out with Keith a bit and said he found Keith to be "a profound narcissist." That's a bit extreme, but there might be more truth to that than I'd like to think. Keith more than once has said, "I've never said `Sir' to anybody." And I've wondered how that makes people feel who have to say "Sir" every day.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 18:48 by Title5Take1.
I would agree with you but this is the thing about Keith. I don't know if you remember but in 95 I think when they went to Argentina, Meredith Brooks (I think that was her name) was the opening act and she was booed off stage and had all kinds of stuff thrown at her. After the show, with a customary chuckle, Keith laughed off what the fans did and said something like it's tough up there. So in one case, he defends acting like "imbeciles" and in another, it's deserving of a beat down. Wasn't there something about how his daughters wanted Timberfake to perform with the Stones. If that's the case, good on him for being a great father, but if it's tough up there, just let it slide and stop being the tough guy with all that security and barriers between you and the fans. It's easy to be brutish with tougher and bigger people to back you up.
Also, isn't this the guy who tore Mick apart for the knighthood because he was trying to protecting the Stones rebellious legacy? Very rebellious of him with Timberfake up there. He constantly slags people off all the time but when a fan decides to do it, no that is way out of bounds.
i'll pass a hat if it'll help them any....
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Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
georgie48
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Date: October 16, 2012 10:18
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Title5Take1
Keith in LIFE: "But Mum and Dad loved the council flat house. I had no choice but to bite my tongue. As a semidetached goes, it was new and well built, but it wasn't ours! I thought we deserved better. And it made me bitter. I thought of us as a noble family in exile." p.35
And it's Mick who got the reputation as a wannabe aristocrat.
That quote from Life hits the nail on the head.
I'm certainly not against free enterprise and they largely earn what they deserve, however there are some considerations.
First, this is the 50th anniversary tour and one of the main drivers of their success over the years have been fans- who can't afford these crazy prices- who have bought the albums, gone to shows, bought the merchandise, and done free marketing for them by promoting them to their friends and family. Those fans have helped bankroll their deserved and luxurious lifestyles so how about saying, let's do something for those fans so that the only people who come to our shows won't be people who probably aren't those fans but are more likely people who want to go to an event and say we saw the Stones. Yes, those fans also got a lot out of it and we did those things because we wanted to but an effort to meet us half way would have been nice.
Second, the whole point is that it is about Keith and Mick. I, for one, never said that Mick doesn't do the same thing. I just pointed out that the image of Keith being only about the music is a bit of a joke. He is just as responsible as Mick for the business side.
Finally, fine Virgin is setting the prices but as Gazza said, the Stones effectively set those prices. Even assuming the argument that it's all on Virgin, then why not hold Keith responsible for his quote about not wanting prices to be bloody over the top. Either he has a say or he doesn't, you can't have it both ways. If he himself says he doesn't want prices to be over the top, then I assume he has a say. And if he doesn't, then he should stop playing the I care about the fans game.
Half a decade ago Barbra Streisand charged her fans thousands (5000 and more) dollars to see her perform. We all could see this price rise coming, so we all had that choice (saving up bit by bit). I personally truly feel sorry for all those devoted fans who really can't afford to buy tickets. They may feel the same way today as Keith did when he was a kid. Kids who love their parents hate to see them suffer and wish they would be much better of. THAT doesn't make them (the kids) wannabe aristocrats.The Stones to me are band the true aristocrats wanted to destroy way back in the sixties, but they survived! They deserve every dollar to be what they are and still perform for us today.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
micawber
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Date: October 16, 2012 10:29
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The market will dictate the prices. If people won't pay, then you will see sections papered over as in the last tour.
You make your own choices. Anyone with a library card and a computer can enjoy almost everything the RS produced with no further investment required.
Could someone please fill me in on the statement above that Keith suffered two strokes?
I've read that several times, that it was much more dangerous than anybody thought and that he never was nearer to death then there. Since that he takes Dilantin, what also points to strikes.
This is from the independent f.ex.:
'The diagnosis
By Maxine Frith
Relatively few people require surgery after a head injury but Keith Richards' age - and his hellraising past - mean he had an increased risk of potentially fatal complications. People who suffer a minor head injury may suffer a chronic subdural haemorrhage, which causes slow bleeding in the brain and the development of a clot. If the clot increases in size, it begins to compress the brain and restricts the flow of blood. Left untreated, it can cause brain damage. Newspapers in New Zealand have claimed Richards had suffered such a complication, although the band's management denies he suffered a haemorrhage.'
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
emotionalbarbecue
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Date: October 16, 2012 10:53
I do not like high prices but fans who allegedly know this band being dissapointed by band's financial behaviour is amazing. It puzzles me. My friends: Mediterranean sea was discovered long time ago.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:01
You know what RS-related thing I would buy if I wanted to spend right now? Either a serious upgrade to my music system or a copy of Tarlé's 'Exile'.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
bv
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:08
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
Bjornulf
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
Bjornulf
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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micawber
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:35
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
NeddieFlanders
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:40
The source for this BBC 6 Music KR-interview by Matt Everitt is:
[www.bbc.co.uk] (starting ca. 2.14h)
They said that the full interview will be broadcast today.
N
[www.bbc.co.uk] (starting ca. 2.14h)
They said that the full interview will be broadcast today.
N
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:43
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
micawber
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:45
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Erik_Snow
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:49
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
But now there's only 4 shows, there were simply too many shows at the ABB tour. Anyway, we'll see how it goes
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 11:55 by Erik_Snow.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: October 16, 2012 11:59
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The Wick
Keith is a genius, how he has gotten away with this image of being a salt of the earth bohemian who is only about pure music is quite unbelievable.
"I haven't looked at the figures – numbers can get greatly exaggerated. I just wanna do some shows and I don't want to charge over the bloody top. I'm a bit out of the loop with showbiz. £16m sounds about right to us."
The amount of contradiction and hypocrisy that he can get into 4 sentences is quite staggering. Yeah Keith, I'm sure it was impossible for you and Mick to say we won't play at these prices.
I'm not saying he is or ever has been some sort of socialist because he clearly has not, but this image of him being only about the music and Mick being only about the business is such an unbelievable load of crap. Keith showed his true colors on stage where he stood up for that @#$%& Justin Timberfake over Stones fans.
wait, so you are saying that by Keith calling upon his fans to act righteous, and respect any artist up on stage trying to sing a song, and to not act like a horde of imbeciles was a bad thing? is him 'showing his true colors'?
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
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Date: October 16, 2012 12:04
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
That happened in the fall/winter on leg two of the tour - on some weird places as well. Not comparable with these arena shows at all, imo.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
micawber
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Date: October 16, 2012 12:10
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
That happened in the fall/winter on leg two of the tour - on some weird places as well. Not comparable with these arena shows at all, imo.
Nope, I saw that at every gig here in Germany, in Paris, even MSG was not completely sold out.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
ROPENI
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Date: October 16, 2012 13:11
Mr Richards and Sir Jagger.."Let them eat cake"...
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
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"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 18:34 by ROPENI.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: October 16, 2012 16:13
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
That is true only to an extent. $100 tickets would certainly give some fans the opportunity to see the Stones who can't otherwise afford it. Not everyone who buys $100 tickets would re-sell them at $300.. If I could get Four $100 tickets I would keep them all and give a couple away to friends. Other fans might re-sell say two of their tickets to recoup the cost of the other two and see the Stones for free.
The point is that for true Stones fans, the ticket is the goal and I'm sure quite a few would turn down the opportunity to make profit from the tickets if they could afford them in the first place. peace
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: October 16, 2012 16:37
F...hell , what is the band doing
Ticketprices are outrageous.
i am unemployed, cant pay more than e 200, airplane, hotel and alcohol will be on top of that.
No way, this is not gonna happen.
F..., what a disappointment.
i was hoping to get a ticket, but it seems i cant afford it
thanks guys
jeroen
Ticketprices are outrageous.
i am unemployed, cant pay more than e 200, airplane, hotel and alcohol will be on top of that.
No way, this is not gonna happen.
F..., what a disappointment.
i was hoping to get a ticket, but it seems i cant afford it
thanks guys
jeroen
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: October 16, 2012 16:56
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they're not getting 16 million from the fans, they've already received it from Virgin Live. It is up to Virgin to recoup their fee, hence the ticket pricing.
OLDKR
And you think that Virgin forced them to take that £16 million I suppose?
Yes, as a lashing out for signing with UMe.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: October 16, 2012 16:57
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oldkr
they're not getting 16 million from the fans, they've already received it from Virgin Live. It is up to Virgin to recoup their fee, hence the ticket pricing.
OLDKR
Imagine the grand irony of being a concert-going Stones fan in 2012--to be screwed by a company named "Virgin"...
That's a very very tight screwing innit.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:02
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
But now there's only 4 shows, there were simply too many shows at the ABB tour. Anyway, we'll see how it goes
I agree...I think it will sell out, given the number of dates.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:05
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bv
Please anyone with a master degree in ticket sales and market economy. If the Stones were to sell their tickets at a price lower than market price, say $100, and the going price would be 3 times that i.e. $300, who would then end up with the difference, which is $200.
We are talking about 4 x 20,000 x that money i.e. quite a bit of money that would end up in some pockets, but certainly not the fans' pockets. And we are not talking writsbands or personal id sales like they have at Glastonbury...
You'll see that they won't sell out to the actual conditions. We are the market. And most hardcore fans here won't go. But, what's your point exactly?
I'm fairly certain they'll sell all the tickets. THere's plenty of folks with good economy who like to have something to do on the afternoons, even though they're not "hardcore fans". I think them high prices actually will atract some people, who otherwise wouldn't be going. People who wants to impress their colleagues and stuff.
I doubt that. There already were many empty sections at the whole ABB tour to much better prices.
Part of that, quite a large part, was that they wouldn't go away. It's probably logical to think that people saw the expensive ticket prices and decided the hell with that, without seeing cheaper tickets. People got fed up. 'Oh the Stones are coming back around playing the same songs'.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:27
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Bliss
The market will dictate the prices. If people won't pay, then you will see sections papered over as in the last tour.
if they play to half empty stadiums when they tour for real, its not as if they'll learn from it and make the NEXT tour affordable.
As there wont be one, they can effectively use the 'like it or lump it' card.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:30
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treaclefingers
I agree...I think it will sell out, given the number of dates.
Precisely why they are not announcing the 2013 dates yet. peace
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:32
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Bliss
The market will dictate the prices. If people won't pay, then you will see sections papered over as in the last tour.
if they play to half empty stadiums when they tour for real, its not as if they'll learn from it and make the NEXT tour affordable.
As there wont be one, they can effectively use the 'like it or lump it' card.
However much they made from high ticket prices, from a legacy point of view, it would be a bad strategy. People would remember the papered-over sections long after they forgot the reason for them being the prohibitive prices.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Limbostone
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Date: October 16, 2012 17:40
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Gazza
if they play to half empty stadiums when they tour for real, its not as if they'll learn from it and make the NEXT tour affordable.
Maximising profits sadly means that it can be more profitable to have a 50% full venue at high prices than completely full at moderate prices. 25.000 x €100 is just more than 50.000 x €40.
This certainly was the philosophy when selling ABB tickets. They did not need to sell out at those prices. (Only at some places where they turned out to have really overestimated their potential they have cancelled a show, possibly with some health related excuse).
Even if this often led to uncomfortably emtpy stadiums and possibly some image damage from it ("Stones can't sell out stadiums anymore", which is just not true), they appearantly didn't mind playing for empty seats. Because financially, it didn't matter.
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Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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micawber
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Date: October 16, 2012 18:08
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Gazza
if they play to half empty stadiums when they tour for real, its not as if they'll learn from it and make the NEXT tour affordable.
Maximising profits sadly means that it can be more profitable to have a 50% full venue at high prices than completely full at moderate prices. 25.000 x €100 is just more than 50.000 x €40.
This certainly was the philosophy when selling ABB tickets. They did not need to sell out at those prices. (Only at some places where they turned out to have really overestimated their potential they have cancelled a show, possibly with some health related excuse).
Even if this often led to uncomfortably emtpy stadiums and possibly some image damage from it ("Stones can't sell out stadiums anymore", which is just not true), they appearantly didn't mind playing for empty seats. Because financially, it didn't matter.
I'm tired of that BS. If it doesn't matter anymore for them if they play in empty houses while the cash is ok, then they can f... off.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Date: October 16, 2012 18:41
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Keith in LIFE: "But Mum and Dad loved the council flat house. I had no choice but to bite my tongue. As a semidetached goes, it was new and well built, but it wasn't ours! I thought we deserved better. And it made me bitter. I thought of us as a noble family in exile." p.35
And it's Mick who got the reputation as a wannabe aristocrat.
That quote from Life hits the nail on the head.
I'm certainly not against free enterprise and they largely earn what they deserve, however there are some considerations.
First, this is the 50th anniversary tour and one of the main drivers of their success over the years have been fans- who can't afford these crazy prices- who have bought the albums, gone to shows, bought the merchandise, and done free marketing for them by promoting them to their friends and family. Those fans have helped bankroll their deserved and luxurious lifestyles so how about saying, let's do something for those fans so that the only people who come to our shows won't be people who probably aren't those fans but are more likely people who want to go to an event and say we saw the Stones. Yes, those fans also got a lot out of it and we did those things because we wanted to but an effort to meet us half way would have been nice.
Second, the whole point is that it is about Keith and Mick. I, for one, never said that Mick doesn't do the same thing. I just pointed out that the image of Keith being only about the music is a bit of a joke. He is just as responsible as Mick for the business side.
Finally, fine Virgin is setting the prices but as Gazza said, the Stones effectively set those prices. Even assuming the argument that it's all on Virgin, then why not hold Keith responsible for his quote about not wanting prices to be bloody over the top. Either he has a say or he doesn't, you can't have it both ways. If he himself says he doesn't want prices to be over the top, then I assume he has a say. And if he doesn't, then he should stop playing the I care about the fans game.
Half a decade ago Barbra Streisand charged her fans thousands (5000 and more) dollars to see her perform. We all could see this price rise coming, so we all had that choice (saving up bit by bit). I personally truly feel sorry for all those devoted fans who really can't afford to buy tickets. They may feel the same way today as Keith did when he was a kid. Kids who love their parents hate to see them suffer and wish they would be much better of. THAT doesn't make them (the kids) wannabe aristocrats.The Stones to me are band the true aristocrats wanted to destroy way back in the sixties, but they survived! They deserve every dollar to be what they are and still perform for us today.
The Stones played the Wiltern Theater in L.A. on the 40 Licks tour and charged $50 a ticket. But many of those tickets ended up being resold by scalpers for $2,000 bucks each. That's why I have no problem with the Stones charging a lot for tickets. I'd rather my money go to the Stones than to scalpers. I just do think Keith's salt-of-the-earth image is a bit disingenuous. And Keith wasn't thinking of his parents regarding the "noble family in exile" but of himself, because, as he says, his parents "loved" the council flat house. I'm a Keith fan, but Slash in his autobiography hung out with Keith a bit and said he found Keith to be "a profound narcissist." That's a bit extreme, but there might be more truth to that than I'd like to think. Keith more than once has said, "I've never said `Sir' to anybody." And I've wondered how that makes people feel who have to say "Sir" every day.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-16 18:48 by Title5Take1.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Date: October 16, 2012 19:05
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Keith showed his true colors on stage where he stood up for that @#$%& Justin Timberfake over Stones fans.
wait, so you are saying that by Keith calling upon his fans to act righteous, and respect any artist up on stage trying to sing a song, and to not act like a horde of imbeciles was a bad thing? is him 'showing his true colors'?
I would agree with you but this is the thing about Keith. I don't know if you remember but in 95 I think when they went to Argentina, Meredith Brooks (I think that was her name) was the opening act and she was booed off stage and had all kinds of stuff thrown at her. After the show, with a customary chuckle, Keith laughed off what the fans did and said something like it's tough up there. So in one case, he defends acting like "imbeciles" and in another, it's deserving of a beat down. Wasn't there something about how his daughters wanted Timberfake to perform with the Stones. If that's the case, good on him for being a great father, but if it's tough up there, just let it slide and stop being the tough guy with all that security and barriers between you and the fans. It's easy to be brutish with tougher and bigger people to back you up.
Also, isn't this the guy who tore Mick apart for the knighthood because he was trying to protecting the Stones rebellious legacy? Very rebellious of him with Timberfake up there. He constantly slags people off all the time but when a fan decides to do it, no that is way out of bounds.
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Date: October 16, 2012 19:08
$16 million is only about $3 million each (with some left for Chuck).
It's not that much after Mick and Keith have paid 45% tax.
They will surely pay tax?
It's not that much after Mick and Keith have paid 45% tax.
They will surely pay tax?
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Date: October 16, 2012 19:10
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$16 million is only about $3 million each (with some left for Chuck).
It's not that much after Mick and Keith have paid 45% tax.
They will surely pay tax?
i'll pass a hat if it'll help them any....
Re: Keith Richards : '£16m sounds about right to us'
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Date: October 16, 2012 19:11
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$16 million is only about $3 million each (with some left for Chuck).
It's not that much after Mick and Keith have paid 45% tax.
They will surely pay tax?
i'll pass a hat if it'll help them any....
What can a poor boy do?
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