Not that I didn't expect it, but now that the track listing for the new greatest hits compilation is out, I have to say that this is about the biggest let-down I've felt about my favorite band since 1964. It's not unusual for a Stones compilation to be primariliy singles but I really hoped they would rise above that this time. I mean is this the best compilation they can give us to mark their 50TH FREAKING ANNIVERSARY? OK - at least they threw in some unexpected album cuts, but it's basically 40 Licks Plus. And to add to the 40 Licks tracks with cuts like Streets of Love or Don't Stop? To mark 50 years, they should've dispensed with the "mostly singles" format and given us an anthology of their best work, be they hits or not. Oh well, thank God we all have all their albums and most of us have iPods or Mp3 players. I think I'll formulate my own celebration of their legacy. And it will have Happy on it.

Biggest let down since 1964?

'64-'12 is a pretty good run...they done good

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Biggest let down since 1964?

'64-'12 is a pretty good run...they done good

Well....I should've clarified that I meant biggest let down in terms of "Greatest Hits" collections. Yeah, there have been other types of let downs but that's another issue.

I like it....

JumpingKentFlash

stonesdan60, which songs would you have put on it then? Give us a tracklist. 80 songs.



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If you post here - this album is not for you (we got the archive releases), so how can you be let down?

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stonesdan60, which songs would you have put on it then? Give us a tracklist. 80 songs.

Ahh...You put me to the test. I'll work on it...But I definitely would've not included Fool To Cry, Emotional Rescue, Streets of Love, Don't Stop.....

The more I think about it, the more I don't really care about the new releases.

I thought ABB was pretty good but frankly, I haven't really enjoyed their sound since Steel Wheels. The way I see it, if they put out some blues then I would get excited but new rocker/ballads......eh...Sound wise and song wise, they been doing the same thing since Steel Wheels. I guess you could say that for their entire career but really..

One could package up Steel Wheels, Voodoo, Bridges, and ABB and it would all pretty much interchangable.

Just like the "Jimmy Miller" set although they were on fire creatively at that time.

I love the fact that pre 1983 stuff keeps getting released. I've been wearing out The Checkerboard set and Brussells.

I guess I'm happy living with ghosts of Stones past.

Well, Fool to cry and E. Rescue were both the official singles of their albums.
You could argue about 2-3 songs in all but with just 2 CD's and all their material there are not that many alternatives as it is still a big hit compilation.
I can't see a big let down here. It is what it is and we don't have to buy it (again).It's more for the casual buyer/fan.

So what "Greatest Hits" release came before 1964?

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So what "Greatest Hits" release came before 1964?

Lots!

Elvis had a few....Harry Belafonte comes to mind.
What about Frank or Dean-o

These songs are obviously the ones THEY regard as their finest works and as an overview of their carrer.

There will always be fans who are unsatisfied no matter what. Make your own compilations then.

New fans will be surprised to find songs like Can't You Hear Me Knocking on the regular albums they will purchase after this compilation. I can live with that

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Not that I didn't expect it, but now that the track listing for the new greatest hits compilation is out, I have to say that this is about the biggest let-down I've felt about my favorite band since 1964. It's not unusual for a Stones compilation to be primariliy singles but I really hoped they would rise above that this time. I mean is this the best compilation they can give us to mark their 50TH FREAKING ANNIVERSARY? OK - at least they threw in some unexpected album cuts, but it's basically 40 Licks Plus. And to add to the 40 Licks tracks with cuts like Streets of Love or Don't Stop? To mark 50 years, they should've dispensed with the "mostly singles" format and given us an anthology of their best work, be they hits or not. Oh well, thank God we all have all their albums and most of us have iPods or Mp3 players. I think I'll formulate my own celebration of their legacy. And it will have Happy on it.

Cant say I agree.

There's no other career-spanning Stones retrospective release on the market.

This one covers all their best known songs and at 50 or 80 songs provides a broad overview of their career, with (for the first time) every studio album of their career represented.

A compilation is never aimed at the hardcore fan who has everything and its unreasonable to expect it to be.

Take into account though that because of the complexities regarding the publishing rights regarding their back catalogue, all the version of this release - as was the case with 40 Licks - has to be split exactly 50/50 between ABKCO and UMG-era material. Which, as they were only on ABKCO for less than a fifth of their career means that the 60s albums will be over represented compared to the post-1970 albums. So, they're left with the task of condensing the last 40 years into 25 or 40 songs. Not easy.

That 60s era is the one where the Stones' legacy will last the longest as its when their musical and cultural impact was at it's peak. If anything, having a few deep album tracks from the mid 60s might make more hardcore fans appreciate that era more, because if you read Stones message boards you could be forgiven for thinking that the band's career only began when they released 'Jumpin' Jack Flash'.

("Happy" is on the 3-CD version. Its the only song on that version that isnt on the 4-CD edition, which is most odd)

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These songs are obviously the ones THEY regard as their finest works and as an overview of their carrer.

Why "obviously" ?
I've no reason to think that the include the songs THEY think are their finest
Could just as well be the record company. If it was the band that picked out the songs, one would think that some more "obscure" songs would be included.

I really doubt Rolling Stones pay any attention to their live albums or their compilations at all, during the last 20 years. The edits on Live Licks, for instance, makes it obvious.

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These songs are obviously the ones THEY regard as their finest works and as an overview of their carrer.

Why "obviously" ?
I've no reason to think that the include the songs THEY think are their finest
Could just as well be the record company. If it was the band that picked out the songs, one would think that some more "obscure" songs would be included.

I really doubt Rolling Stones pay any attention to their live albums or their compilations at all, during the last 20 years. The edits on Live Licks, for instance, makes it obvious.

Jump Back and 40 licks were compiled by Jagger and Richards. I have reason to expect the same with this compilation. As far as I know, no compilation has ever been released without at least Jaggers involvement. And in According To The Rolling Stones book, Ronnie said that Jagger promised him Dance pt.1 would be included on the next compilation. He kept his word...

The question is why should fans buy it if they have all the songs. In this case certainly not because of the cover, I will probably try to get the new ones, but I have the rest already.

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These songs are obviously the ones THEY regard as their finest works and as an overview of their carrer.

Why "obviously" ?
I've no reason to think that the include the songs THEY think are their finest
Could just as well be the record company. If it was the band that picked out the songs, one would think that some more "obscure" songs would be included.

I really doubt Rolling Stones pay any attention to their live albums or their compilations at all, during the last 20 years. The edits on Live Licks, for instance, makes it obvious.

Jump Back and 40 licks were compiled by Jagger and Richards. I have reason to expect the same with this compilation. As far as I know, no compilation has ever been released without at least Jaggers involvement. And in According To The Rolling Stones book, Ronnie said that Jagger promised him Dance pt.1 would be included on the next compilation. He kept his word...

40 Licks was compiled with two noticeable themes in mind - neither of which was concerned with musical quality or being an accurate overview of the band's career.

a) a representation of the band's singles, with the biggest hits from each album represented (plus a few better known early album cuts)

b) to maximise the number of Jagger-Richards songs (and therefore include as few cover versions as possible) in order to provide them with more royalties.

Accordingly, the only album whose lead single wasn't included was 'Dirty Work' (because the lead single - uniquely for the Stones - was a cover version) and they managed to omit a number 1 hit single which is one of the most significant releases of their career in that it is still the only ever straight blues song to be a chart topper ('Little Red Rooster')

The 'without Jagger's involvement' bit may be true to a degree, but thats a very broad statement which could potentially range from being involved at every stage of the album's concept and marketing down to merely seeing the track listing and artwork and saying "OK...that'll do".

I seriously doubt that any of the band had any significant input into 'Rarities' for example, and as Erik points out, its quite evident that none of them could realistically have listened to the final edit of Live Licks before it was submitted for release.

The lack of input is probably more prevalent on releases made after they've fulfilled their contractual obligations. At least with this one, they're still signed to UMG for another couple of years.

"Jump Back" would have been a unique compilation for the Stones as it was actually their first release on Virgin/EMI after they signed to the label.



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No one expects hard core fans to buy it. It's for people who have heard about this old band and their radio hits. They will be amused. And believe it or not, there are people who doesn't own a single song from this band.

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These songs are obviously the ones THEY regard as their finest works and as an overview of their carrer.

Why "obviously" ?
I've no reason to think that the include the songs THEY think are their finest
Could just as well be the record company. If it was the band that picked out the songs, one would think that some more "obscure" songs would be included.

I really doubt Rolling Stones pay any attention to their live albums or their compilations at all, during the last 20 years. The edits on Live Licks, for instance, makes it obvious.

Jump Back and 40 licks were compiled by Jagger and Richards. I have reason to expect the same with this compilation. As far as I know, no compilation has ever been released without at least Jaggers involvement. And in According To The Rolling Stones book, Ronnie said that Jagger promised him Dance pt.1 would be included on the next compilation. He kept his word...

But now you are talking about 1980; that's something else. The band, and especially Jagger, cared about their outputs. I was speaking about the last 20 years in my post above

BTW, there's gotta be a whole lot more examples of Jagger NOT keeping his word....

As Gazza writes; "Jaggers involvement" is a broad statement. Of course Jagger has to give the nod to the recordlabel when a new compilation is getting ready for release, but that doesn't at ALL mean that Jagger picked out the songs. Wonder why you say, as if it was a fact, that "40 licks were compiled by Jagger/Richards". Just because it says so in the liner (or whereever it says so) doesn't mean they picked out the songs. I think you are just guessing, actually - the tracklisting of their last greatest hits packages, or live records, seems to prove the opposite of what you claim.



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No one expects hard core fans to buy it. It's for people who have heard about this old band and their radio hits. They will be amused. And believe it or not, there are people who doesn't own a single song from this band.

Indeed. And its ironic that the marketing gimmickry for this product is aimed almost solely at the generation who a) are least likely to own a Rolling Stones record and b) the band have excluded from their concert audience demographic as they're unlikely to be able to afford to buy tickets to hear the band play the songs that they're now trying to get them to discover.

Inspired. Not.

OK - I was given the "YOU try picking out 80 songs" challenge. Well, there's no way to make a set that pleases everyone, but I did this for the hell of it off the top of my head. I'm sure I would change it if I did it again...





Rolling Stones - Best of 50 Years
1 Not Fade Away
2 Route 66
3 - Little By Little
4 - As Tears Go By
5 - Under My Thumb
6 - Confessin' The Blues
7 - Little Red Rooster
8 - Get Off Of My Cloud
9 - Around and Around
10 - Satisfaction
11- Lady Jane
12- Play With Fire
13 - Let's Spend The Night Together
14 - Stupid Girl
15 - Connection
16 -She's a Rainbow
17 - 2000 Light Years From Home
18 - Citadel
19 - Jumping Jack Flash
20 - Street Fighting Man
21 - No Expectations
22 - Parachute Woman
23 - Sympathy For The Devil
24 - Stray Cat Blues
25 - Gimme Shelter
26 - Monkey Man
27 - Honky Tonk Women
28 - Live With Me
29 - Oh Carol (Live)
30 - Love in Vain (Live)
31 - Midnight Rambler - (Live)
32 - Brown Sugar
33 - Bitch
34 - Sway
35 - Moonlight Mile
36 - I Got The Blues
37 - Wild Horses
38 - Tumbling Dice
39 - Casino Boogie
40 - Happy
41 - Torn And Frayed
42 - All Down The Line
43 - Angie
44 - Dancing With Mr. D
45 - Silver Train
46 - Coming Down Again
47 - Ain't Too Proud To Beg
48 - It's Only Rock And Roll
49 - Dance Little Sister
50 - Fingerprint File
51 - Hot Stuff
52 – Hand of Fate
53 – Memory Motel
54 – Crazy Mama
55 – Miss You
56 – Imagination
57 – Beast of Burden
58 – Respectable
59 – Shattered
60 – Summer Romance
61 – Send it to Me
62 – Let Me Go
63 – She’s So Cold
64 – Start Me Up
65 - Slave
66 - Black Limousine
67-Worried About You
68 - She Was Hot
69 - One Hit To The Body
70 - Mixed Emotions
71 - Slipping Away
72 - Love Is Strong
73 -Out of Tears
74- Already Over Me
75 - Out of Control
76 - Saint of Me
77 - Rough Justice
78 - Let Me Down Slow
79 - Oh No Not You Again
80 - The Last Time (live)

What? No new songs?

You let us down, Dan!!!

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If you post here - this album is not for you (we got the archive releases), so how can you be let down?

Straight to the point. I quess it is a mission impossible to make a satisfying compilation out of songs that its target audience already completely owns...

Well, they put those two new ones for us, though... (but honestly, I think the disappointment and criticism towards GRRR, and, for god sakes, its bloody name & cover, has gone out of hand.)

- Doxa



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double post. or no, just half a post, that's too less



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And before anyone starts to say that 'they' - the band, their sites, record company, etc. - has promised too much for 'us', or 'hyped' too much about it, well, that's just normal product advertising.

Like always, when releasing stuff like that (greatest hits packages), the idea is to introduce the band and its music to larger audiences than their safe and sure fanbase (Santa Claus coming soon, won't hurt either). I think there always be potential, curious audience for them (in a way I think there is almost a cultural duty to provide that kind of highlights package available for anyone easily to catch). I think there is nothing wrong with updating the greatest hits package every ten years - which actually is a long time - besides, this new one IS going to be better than FORTY LICKS.

- Doxa

What's the track-list for the 80-song version? I can't find it. I see they skipped 'Dirty Work''s hit single on the 3-disc version again. Why do they avoid "Harlem Shuffle" like a Voodoo curse?? It got to #5 in the U.S.--it was constantly on the radio I remember--even the long version.

"Harlem Shuffle" IS on the 3-CD version.

3-CD version (Deluxe Edition):


Disc 1
1. Come On
2. Not Fade Away
3. It's All Over Now
4. Little Red Rooster
5. The Last Time
6. (I Cant Get No) Satisfaction
7. Get Off My Cloud
8. 19th Nervous Breakdown
9. Paint It Black
10. Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow?
11. Let's Spend The Night Together
12. Jumpin 'Jack Flash
13. Honky Tonk Women
14. Gimme Shelter
15. Street Fighting Man
16. You Can't Always Get What You Want
17. Wild Horses

Disk 2

1. Brown Sugar
2. Tumbling Dice
3. Start Me Up
4. Rocks Off
5. Angie
6. It's Only Rock 'N' Roll
7. Fool To Cry
8. Miss You
9. Respectable
10. Emotional Rescue
11. Hot Stuff
12. Beast Of Burden
13. Undercover (Of The Night)
14. Harlem Shuffle
15. Mixed Emotions
16. Love Is Strong
17. Happy

Disk 3
1. Under My Thumb
2. Sympathy For The Devil
3. We Love You
4. Heart Of Stone
5. Ruby Tuesday
6. As Tears Go By
7. She's A Rainbow
8. Time Is On My Side
9. Anybody Seen My Baby?
10. Streets Of Love
11. Plundered My Soul
12. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
13. Moonlight Mile
14. Like A Rolling Stone
15. Gloom And Doom
16. One Last Shot


Super Deluxe Edition Box Set, 4Cd+Dvd+7inch+Book+Poster)


Disk 1
1. Come On
2. Not Fade Away
3. It’s All Over Now
4. Little Red Rooster
5. The Last Time
6. (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction
7. Get Off My Cloud
8. 19th Nervous Breakdown
9. Paint It Black
10. 10 Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow?
11. Let’s Spend The Night Together
12. Jumpin’ Jack Flash
13. Honky Tonk Women
14. Gimme Shelter
15. Street Fighting Man
16. You Can’t Always Get What You Want
17. Wild Horses
18. Under My Thumb
19. Sympathy For The Devil
20. We Love You

Disk 2
1. Brown Sugar
2. Tumbling Dice
3. Start Me Up
4. Rocks Off
5. Angie
6. It’s Only Rock’n Roll
7. Fool To Cry
8. Miss You
9. Respectable
10. Emotional Rescue
11. Waiting On A Friend
12. Undercover (Of The Night)
13. Harlem Shuffle
14. Mixed Emotions
15. Love Is Strong
16. Like A Rolling Stone
17. Anybody Seen My Baby?
18. Streets Of Love
19. Plundered My Soul

Disk 3
1. I Wanna Be Your Man
2. She Said Yeah
3. Ruby Tuesday
4. Dandelion
5. Mother’s Little Helper
6. Heart Of Stone
7. Time Is On My Side
8. Out Of Time
9. I’m Free
10. As Tears Go By
11. She’s A Rainbow
12. Lady Jane
13. Midnight Rambler
14. You Got The Silver
15. 2000 Light Years From Home
16. That’s How Strong My Love Is
17. Play With Fire
18. I Am Waiting
19. Yesterday’s Papers
20. Salt Of The Earth
21. Shine A Light
22. Sister Morphine
23. Hot Stuff

Disk 4
1. Shattered
2. You Got Me Rocking
3. Saint Of Me
4. Rain Fall Down
5. Don’t Stop
6. Time Waits For No One
7. Dance (Pt 1)
8. Far Away Eyes
9. Moonlight Mile
10. She Was Hot
11. She’s So Cold
12. Highwire
13. Almost Hear You Sigh
14. I Go Wild
15. Beast Of Burden
16. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
17. Gloom And Doom
18. One Last Shot

Disk 5
1. Dvd



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Well the four CD version is a vastly superior selection I must say, not that I'll be buying it.

I would certainly agree there's nothing wrong with updating a career spanning retrospective every ten years but if that's all you're doing what is there to update? (Yes, I know ABB came after Licks...just stretching a point.)

Track listings... schmack listings..

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Well the four CD version is a vastly superior selection I must say, not that I'll be buying it.

I would certainly agree there's nothing wrong with updating a career spanning retrospective every ten years but if that's all you're doing what is there to update? (Yes, I know ABB came after Licks...just stretching a point.)

I think its effectively more a case of replacing it, rather than updating it.

All of the 36 'oldies' on '40 Licks' (plus 'Dont Stop') are on either the 3-disc or 4-disc version of the new compilation (in most cases, theyre on both)