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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: September 21, 2012 02:04

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Gazza
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mickijaggeroo
I don´t see a DVD mentioned on the official GRRR! page..closest I get is this text:
"3CD / 50 tracks in a DVD size box with 36 page hardback book and 5 postcards"

So where does the info about a DVD come from? Have I missed something?

The Super Deluxe version lists 4 CDs, a DVD and a 7-inch single.

No confirmation yet on the contents of the last two item, however.

Universal has a complete listing here:
[store.universal-music.co.uk]

The only thing is it lists an 'extra CD', which is presumably the DVD in question.

They list it for 99.99 GBP plus shipping of course. A helluva steal if you snagged it earlier today at German Amazon.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 04:31 by treaclefingers.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: September 21, 2012 03:12

Doxa made a (rare) error and left "Sister Morphine" and "Rain Fall Down" out of his chronological listings. It is possible the track listings weren't set in Stone yet with "Happy" in then out. It is odd that bigger hits such as "Hang Fire" and "Rock and a Hard Place" or even "Out of Tears" and "Almost Hear You Sigh" aren't represented. Stateside, the band actually had proper hit singles off every album through STEEL WHEELs although TATTOO YOU is the cut off for radio airplay today in my neck of the woods. I had heard that the new Keith song is sung by Mick and that the bonus 45 is the two new songs but there won't be a corresponding CD single or download-only single as they will be exclusive to GRRR. Not sure if this will pan out to be true so take it for what its worth.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 06:40

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treaclefingers
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Gazza
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Munichhilton
Was 'Don't Stop' really one of their greatest hits?

I think this calls the integrity of this project into question...

If we're concerned about the integrity or literal accuracy of what constitutes a 'greatest hits' record, there'd be very little on it after 1969.

...and nothing on it after 1981

That's revisionism at best.

From Wikipedia :


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1981 "Start Me Up" The Billboard Hot 100 # 2 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" UK Top 75 Singles # 7 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" Club Play Singles # 14 [citation needed]
1981 "Little T&A" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 5 [citation needed]
1981 "Hang Fire" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2 [citation needed]
1981 "Waiting on a Friend" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 8 [citation needed]
1981 "Waiting on a Friend" UK Top 75 Singles # 50 [citation needed]
1982 "Waiting on a Friend" The Billboard Hot 100 # 13 [citation needed]
1982 "Hang Fire" The Billboard Hot 100 # 20 [citation needed]

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" The Billboard Hot 100[3] # 25
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" Mainstream Rock Tracks[4] # 5
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" UK Top 100 Singles[5] # 26
1982 "Time Is on My Side(Live Version)" UK Top 100 Singles # 62 [citation needed]



Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1983 "Undercover of the Night" The Billboard Hot 100 # 9 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 9 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" UK Top 100 Singles # 11 [citation needed]
1983 "Too Tough" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 14 [citation needed]
1984 "Too Much Blood" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 38 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 4 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" The Billboard Hot 100 # 44 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" UK Top 100 Singles # 42 [citation needed]
1984 "Think I'm Going Mad"
B-side of "She Was Hot"
Mainstream Rock Tracks # 50 [citation needed]
1985 "Too Much Blood" Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 44 [citation needed]

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1986 "Harlem Shuffle" The Billboard Hot 100 # 5
Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 4
Hot Dance Music/Maxi-Single Sales # 5
UK Top 100 Singles # 13
"Winning Ugly" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 10
"One Hit (To the Body)" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 3
The Billboard Hot 100 # 28
UK Top 100 Singles # 80


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1989 "Mixed Emotions" The Billboard Hot 100 [5] # 5
1989 "Mixed Emotions" UK Top 100 Singles [6] # 36
1989 "Mixed Emotions" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1989 "Mixed Emotions" Modern Rock Tracks # 22
1989 "Sad Sad Sad" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 14
1989 "Terrifying" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 8
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" The Billboard Hot 100 # 23
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" UK Top 100 Singles # 63
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" The Billboard Hot 100 # 50
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" UK Top 100 Singles # 31
1990 "Terrifying" UK Top 100 Singles # 82


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1991 "Highwire" The Billboard Hot 100 # 57 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Modern Rock Tracks # 28 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Hot 100 Airplay # 70 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" UK Top 75 Singles # 29 [citation needed]
1991 "Ruby Tuesday(Live Version)" UK Top 75 Singles # 59 [citation needed]
1991 "Sex Drive" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 40 [citation needed]



Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1994 "Love Is Strong" UK Top 75 Singles[12] # 14
1994 "Love Is Strong" The Billboard Hot 100 [13] # 91
1994 "Love Is Strong" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
1994 "You Got Me Rocking" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
1994 "You Got Me Rocking" UK Top 75 Singles[14] # 23
1994 "Out of Tears" The Billboard Hot 100 [15] # 60
1994 "Out of Tears" Mainstream Rock Tracks [16] # 14
1994 "Out of Tears" UK Top 75 Singles[17] # 36
1995 "You Got Me Rocking" Bubbling Under Hot 100 # 113
1995 "Sparks Will Fly" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 30
1995 "I Go Wild" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 20
1995 "I Go Wild" UK Top 75 Singles[18] # 29

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" UK Top 75 Singles # 12
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 16
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" Bubbling Under Hot 100 # 9


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1997 "Anybody Seen My Baby?" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 3
1997 "Anybody Seen My Baby?" UK Singles Chart[23] # 22
1997 "Flip The Switch" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 14
1998 "Saint of Me" UK Singles Chart[23] # 26
1998 "Saint of Me" Billboard Hot 100[22] # 94
1998 "Saint of Me" Hot Dance Music/Maxi-Singles Sales[22] # 23
1998 "Saint of Me" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 13
1998 "Out Of Control" UK Singles Chart[23] # 51

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1998 "Gimme Shelter (Live)" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 29


Singles
Single Chart (2002) Peak
position
"Don't Stop" Mainstream Rock Tracks[27] # 21
UK Top 75 Singles[28] # 36


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
2005 "Rough Justice" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 25
2005 "Streets of Love"/"Rough Justice" UK Top 75 Singles # 15
2005 "Oh No, Not You Again" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 34
2005 "Rain Fall Down" UK Top 75 Singles # 33
2006 "Rain Fall Down" Hot Dance Singles/Club Play # 21
2006 "Biggest Mistake" UK Top 75 Singles # 51


+

"Plundered My Soul" is a song by The Rolling Stones featured as a bonus track on the 2010 re-release of their 1972 album Exile on Main St.. It was the first song released by the band from the new recordings, limited-edition copies of the single shelved in independent stores on 17 April 2010, in honor of Record Store Day. The single peaked at #200 in the UK Top 200 Singles Chart, at #2 on Billboard's Singles Sales and #42 on Billboard's Rock Songs Airplay. It also reached #15 on the France Singles Top 100, and remained there for one week. The music video is directed by Jonas Odell.
"Plundered My Soul" features vocal and guitar overdubs from Mick Jagger and Mick Taylor in 2010.

&

"No Spare Parts" is a song by The Rolling Stones, featured as a bonus track on the 2011 re-release of their 1978 album Some Girls. It is one of twelve previously unreleased songs that appear on the reissue, and features newly recorded vocals from Mick Jagger. The song reached number 2 on Billboard's Hot Singles Sales.
A music video for the song was released on 19 December 2011 and was directed by Mat Whitecross.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: September 21, 2012 07:01

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Rocky Dijon
Doxa made a (rare) error and left "Sister Morphine" and "Rain Fall Down" out of his chronological listings. It is possible the track listings weren't set in Stone yet with "Happy" in then out. It is odd that bigger hits such as "Hang Fire" and "Rock and a Hard Place" or even "Out of Tears" and "Almost Hear You Sigh" aren't represented. Stateside, the band actually had proper hit singles off every album through STEEL WHEELs although TATTOO YOU is the cut off for radio airplay today in my neck of the woods. I had heard that the new Keith song is sung by Mick and that the bonus 45 is the two new songs but there won't be a corresponding CD single or download-only single as they will be exclusive to GRRR. Not sure if this will pan out to be true so take it for what its worth.

Almost hear you sigh is on the 4 disc version.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Happy Jack ()
Date: September 21, 2012 07:07

I'm not going to read through the last 50 pages of this thread, but could someone tell me what the title means? Seems kinda silly, IMO.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: September 21, 2012 07:10

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Happy Jack
I'm not going to read through the last 50 pages of this thread, but could someone tell me what the title means? Seems kinda silly, IMO.

we've narrowed it down to either GRRReat! or GRRRoan.

what camp are you in?

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: September 21, 2012 10:31

"GRRR!"

I thought everyone knew it's a clever play on words by the Stones marketing department?

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 10:51

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Winning Ugly VXII
Quote
treaclefingers
Quote
Gazza
Quote
Munichhilton
Was 'Don't Stop' really one of their greatest hits?

I think this calls the integrity of this project into question...

If we're concerned about the integrity or literal accuracy of what constitutes a 'greatest hits' record, there'd be very little on it after 1969.

...and nothing on it after 1981

That's revisionism at best.

From Wikipedia :


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1981 "Start Me Up" The Billboard Hot 100 # 2 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" UK Top 75 Singles # 7 [citation needed]
1981 "Start Me Up" Club Play Singles # 14 [citation needed]
1981 "Little T&A" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 5 [citation needed]
1981 "Hang Fire" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2 [citation needed]
1981 "Waiting on a Friend" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 8 [citation needed]
1981 "Waiting on a Friend" UK Top 75 Singles # 50 [citation needed]
1982 "Waiting on a Friend" The Billboard Hot 100 # 13 [citation needed]
1982 "Hang Fire" The Billboard Hot 100 # 20 [citation needed]

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" The Billboard Hot 100[3] # 25
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" Mainstream Rock Tracks[4] # 5
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" UK Top 100 Singles[5] # 26
1982 "Time Is on My Side(Live Version)" UK Top 100 Singles # 62 [citation needed]



Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1983 "Undercover of the Night" The Billboard Hot 100 # 9 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 9 [citation needed]
1983 "Undercover of the Night" UK Top 100 Singles # 11 [citation needed]
1983 "Too Tough" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 14 [citation needed]
1984 "Too Much Blood" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 38 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 4 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" The Billboard Hot 100 # 44 [citation needed]
1984 "She Was Hot" UK Top 100 Singles # 42 [citation needed]
1984 "Think I'm Going Mad"
B-side of "She Was Hot"
Mainstream Rock Tracks # 50 [citation needed]
1985 "Too Much Blood" Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 44 [citation needed]

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1986 "Harlem Shuffle" The Billboard Hot 100 # 5
Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
Hot Dance Music/Club Play # 4
Hot Dance Music/Maxi-Single Sales # 5
UK Top 100 Singles # 13
"Winning Ugly" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 10
"One Hit (To the Body)" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 3
The Billboard Hot 100 # 28
UK Top 100 Singles # 80


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1989 "Mixed Emotions" The Billboard Hot 100 [5] # 5
1989 "Mixed Emotions" UK Top 100 Singles [6] # 36
1989 "Mixed Emotions" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1989 "Mixed Emotions" Modern Rock Tracks # 22
1989 "Sad Sad Sad" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 14
1989 "Terrifying" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 8
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" The Billboard Hot 100 # 23
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" UK Top 100 Singles # 63
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" The Billboard Hot 100 # 50
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" UK Top 100 Singles # 31
1990 "Terrifying" UK Top 100 Singles # 82


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1991 "Highwire" The Billboard Hot 100 # 57 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 1 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Modern Rock Tracks # 28 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" Hot 100 Airplay # 70 [citation needed]
1991 "Highwire" UK Top 75 Singles # 29 [citation needed]
1991 "Ruby Tuesday(Live Version)" UK Top 75 Singles # 59 [citation needed]
1991 "Sex Drive" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 40 [citation needed]



Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1994 "Love Is Strong" UK Top 75 Singles[12] # 14
1994 "Love Is Strong" The Billboard Hot 100 [13] # 91
1994 "Love Is Strong" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
1994 "You Got Me Rocking" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 2
1994 "You Got Me Rocking" UK Top 75 Singles[14] # 23
1994 "Out of Tears" The Billboard Hot 100 [15] # 60
1994 "Out of Tears" Mainstream Rock Tracks [16] # 14
1994 "Out of Tears" UK Top 75 Singles[17] # 36
1995 "You Got Me Rocking" Bubbling Under Hot 100 # 113
1995 "Sparks Will Fly" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 30
1995 "I Go Wild" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 20
1995 "I Go Wild" UK Top 75 Singles[18] # 29

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" UK Top 75 Singles # 12
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 16
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" Bubbling Under Hot 100 # 9


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1997 "Anybody Seen My Baby?" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 3
1997 "Anybody Seen My Baby?" UK Singles Chart[23] # 22
1997 "Flip The Switch" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 14
1998 "Saint of Me" UK Singles Chart[23] # 26
1998 "Saint of Me" Billboard Hot 100[22] # 94
1998 "Saint of Me" Hot Dance Music/Maxi-Singles Sales[22] # 23
1998 "Saint of Me" Mainstream Rock Tracks[22] # 13
1998 "Out Of Control" UK Singles Chart[23] # 51

Singles
Year Single Chart Position
1998 "Gimme Shelter (Live)" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 29


Singles
Single Chart (2002) Peak
position
"Don't Stop" Mainstream Rock Tracks[27] # 21
UK Top 75 Singles[28] # 36


Singles
Year Single Chart Position
2005 "Rough Justice" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 25
2005 "Streets of Love"/"Rough Justice" UK Top 75 Singles # 15
2005 "Oh No, Not You Again" Mainstream Rock Tracks # 34
2005 "Rain Fall Down" UK Top 75 Singles # 33
2006 "Rain Fall Down" Hot Dance Singles/Club Play # 21
2006 "Biggest Mistake" UK Top 75 Singles # 51


+

"Plundered My Soul" is a song by The Rolling Stones featured as a bonus track on the 2010 re-release of their 1972 album Exile on Main St.. It was the first song released by the band from the new recordings, limited-edition copies of the single shelved in independent stores on 17 April 2010, in honor of Record Store Day. The single peaked at #200 in the UK Top 200 Singles Chart, at #2 on Billboard's Singles Sales and #42 on Billboard's Rock Songs Airplay. It also reached #15 on the France Singles Top 100, and remained there for one week. The music video is directed by Jonas Odell.
"Plundered My Soul" features vocal and guitar overdubs from Mick Jagger and Mick Taylor in 2010.

&

"No Spare Parts" is a song by The Rolling Stones, featured as a bonus track on the 2011 re-release of their 1978 album Some Girls. It is one of twelve previously unreleased songs that appear on the reissue, and features newly recorded vocals from Mick Jagger. The song reached number 2 on Billboard's Hot Singles Sales.
A music video for the song was released on 19 December 2011 and was directed by Mat Whitecross.

Well, let's polish the listing a bit to see what it really says after 1981 - that is to say, let's skip teh marginal chart out and just consider only the main UK/US charts (Billboard Hot 100 & UK TOP 100/75 Singles)

year title Billboard/UK Top Singles
1982 "Going to a Go-Go" # 25 / # 26
1982 "Time Is on My Side(Live Version)" - / # 62
1983 "Undercover of the Night" # 9 / # 11

1984 "She Was Hot" # 44 /# 42
1986 "Harlem Shuffle" # 5 / # 13
1986 "One Hit" # 28 / # 80
1989 "Mixed Emotions" # 5 /# 36
1989 "Rock and a Hard Place" T # 23 / # 63
1990 "Almost Hear You Sigh" # 50 / # 31
1990 "Terrifying" - /# 82
1991 "Highwire" # 57 /# 29
1991 "Ruby Tuesday(Live Version)" - / # 59
1994 "Love Is Strong" # 91 / # 14
1994 "You Got Me Rocking" #113 /# 23
1994 "Out of Tears" # 60 / # 36
1995 "I Go Wild" - /# 29
1995 "Like a Rolling Stone" - /# 12
1997 "Anybody Seen My Baby?" - /# 23
1998 "Saint of Me" # 94 / # 26
1998 "Out Of Control" - /# 51
2005 "Streets of Love"/"Rough Justice" - /# 15
2005 "Rain Fall Down" - /# 33
2006 "Biggest Mistake" - /# 51

Well, as we can see:

- their last "real hits", making top ten, are all from the 80's: "Undercover of The Night", "Harlem Shuffle" and "Mixed Emotions"
- their last single making Top 50 in Billboard is from 1990 ("Almost Hear You Sigh", # 50) - there have been only four appearance in Top 100 ever since; this is to say that there has been no Rolling Stones hits in America for 22/23 yaers
- there is no any top ten hits in UK. Three singles since the 80's, made Top 20 ("Love Is Strong", "Like A Rolling Stone", and "Rough Kustice/"Streets of Love"; those could be called as 'minor hits in compared to the their chart history in UK.

So I would say that it would be highly revisionist to claim that the Stones have been a hit-making band since the 80's, and their record even during the 80's isn't any remarkable compared to their past - namely, this band knows what a real hit song is all about!

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 10:54 by Doxa.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 11:02

Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

I'd like to see some real proof of Going To A Go Go being a bigger hit in the UK than Love Is Strong as well grinning smiley

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 11:21

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DandelionPowderman
Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 11:23 by Doxa.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: September 21, 2012 11:29

Sorry, tracklist already posted on a few pages earlier.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 13:43 by Muddyw.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: September 21, 2012 11:30

Same here as above



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 13:44 by Muddyw.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 11:36

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DandelionPowderman
I'd like to see some real proof of Going To A Go Go being a bigger hit in the UK than Love Is Strong as well grinning smiley

Well, if the official chartings are not good enough for you, what can we do...

I guess the hype over the first live performances for six years in UK was enough to push the sales for "Going To A Go-Go". And I suppose still at the time a new Rolling Stones single still might gather some larger interest. They actually were still a rather hot band then.


But what is interesting that even though The Stones toured the States big time at the time, and even played "Love Is Strong" live in MTV show, teh single simply flopped (#91!). But there seemingly happened something in US music business that made it so hard for The Stones to make 'hit singles' any longer. Anyway, even I rememeber the times when the video of the song was circulating in MTV, I can't remember it being any real hit outside of that. It didn't gather some real interest by the people (outside the fan circles).

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 11:48 by Doxa.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 13:27

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Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa

Ha ha, true, but then again the competition was thousand times as hard later on... smiling smiley

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 13:29

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Doxa
Quote
DandelionPowderman
I'd like to see some real proof of Going To A Go Go being a bigger hit in the UK than Love Is Strong as well grinning smiley

Well, if the official chartings are not good enough for you, what can we do...

I guess the hype over the first live performances for six years in UK was enough to push the sales for "Going To A Go-Go". And I suppose still at the time a new Rolling Stones single still might gather some larger interest. They actually were still a rather hot band then.


But what is interesting that even though The Stones toured the States big time at the time, and even played "Love Is Strong" live in MTV show, teh single simply flopped (#91!). But there seemingly happened something in US music business that made it so hard for The Stones to make 'hit singles' any longer. Anyway, even I rememeber the times when the video of the song was circulating in MTV, I can't remember it being any real hit outside of that. It didn't gather some real interest by the people (outside the fan circles).

- Doxa

Oh, sorry, I thought you just copied the "Citation needed"-wiki-list. My bad.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 14:37

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DandelionPowderman
Quote
Doxa
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa

Ha ha, true, but then again the competition was thousand times as hard later on... smiling smiley

I am not so sure about that... that was still the golden age of singles - them being the main entity in record business, until the albums took over. So there surely was a competition. The Stones with the Beatles simply were so damn popular that it looked easy. As it would be to someone like Rhinanna, Lady Gaga, etc. nowadays. They released kind of music with resonated with the listeners. But for example, making top ten hits back in the 60's was not so easy, say, for The Who, who already then was a rather big name.

And if we think that the competion got harder as teh years go by, any The Stones albums would still make top chartings very easily, even though the singles wern't any longer so enermous hits. For eaxmple, if I recall right, all their albums from STICKY FINGERS to TATTOO YOU were number ones in Billboard. And even after that all their new studio albums have doing rather well, at least compared to their singles. For some reason or other, the band lost the ability - or will - to produce hit songs.

- Doxa



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-21 14:52 by Doxa.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 14:51

Quote
Doxa
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Doxa
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa

Ha ha, true, but then again the competition was thousand times as hard later on... smiling smiley

I am not so sure about that... that was still the golden age of singles - them being the main entity in record business, until the albums took over. So there surely was a competition. The Stones with the Beatles simply were so damn popular that it looked easy. As it would be to someone like Rhinanna, Lady Gaga, etc. nowadays. They released kind of music with resonated with the listeners. But for example, making top ten hits back in the 60's was not so easy, say, for The Who, who already then was a rather big name.

- Doxa

There were fewer bands and fewer popular music styles. The Stones became older, and didn't really compete in the teen-market anymore...

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 14:53

DP, sure, but check my earlier post I edited and added a bit.

- Doxa

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: September 21, 2012 15:03

Whatever the tracklist.. they shouldn't have included Streets Of Love. That song is so far away from the Stones sound and I just don't like this "strumming the guitar like any other popband" kinda song. Instead they could've added Rough Justice or Laugh, I Nearly Died, or any other song from A Bigger Bang.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 15:05

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Doxa
DP, sure, but check my earlier post I edited and added a bit.

- Doxa

Thanks, I saw that now.

I'm not so sure they lost their ability to make good hit songs.

It wouldn't have surprised me if, say, Love Is Strong would top the charts if it were released in 1973.

My guess is that as the Stones fans got older, they didn't buy as much singles as before anyway - and the buyers in the single-market were more focused on younger, more contemporary artists - but I really dunno.



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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 15:09

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Whatever the tracklist.. they shouldn't have included Streets Of Love. That song is so far away from the Stones sound and I just don't like this "strumming the guitar like any other popband" kinda song. Instead they could've added Rough Justice or Laugh, I Nearly Died, or any other song from A Bigger Bang.

Hey, "Street of Love" was number one hit in Spain!grinning smiley

(but honestly, I agree with your sentiments, but that was the leading single of A BIGGER BANG...)

- Doxa

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 21, 2012 15:12

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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 15:16

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Whatever the tracklist.. they shouldn't have included Streets Of Love. That song is so far away from the Stones sound and I just don't like this "strumming the guitar like any other popband" kinda song. Instead they could've added Rough Justice or Laugh, I Nearly Died, or any other song from A Bigger Bang.

Hey, "Street of Love" was number one hit in Spain!grinning smiley

(but honestly, I agree with your sentiments, but that was the leading single of A BIGGER BANG...)

- Doxa

Ha ha grinning smiley

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 21, 2012 15:37

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DP, sure, but check my earlier post I edited and added a bit.

- Doxa

Thanks, I saw that now.

I'm not so sure they lost their ability to make good hit songs.

It wouldn't have surprised me if, say, Love Is Strong would top the charts if it were released in 1973.

My guess is that as the Stones fans got older, they didn't buy as much singles as before anyway - and the buyers in the single-market were more focused on younger, more contemporary artists - but I really dunno.

And the hell freezes! My view is that back in 1973 they never have had any intention to release, or even to create, such a throway song. Even such a mediocre cut like "Silver Train" is a masterpiece compared to that.

The charm of "Love Is Strong" at the time was that of the Stones going stylistically and sound-wise retro; blues feeling, harps and all, but under the surface there is not much to be remembered (unlike, say, with "Start Me Up", which also plays with a retro card). I love it very much when I first heard it, but after a few listenings, the song simply lost its attraction, and turned out to be rather boring and empty quite soon. A typical VOODOO LOUNGE number. Just the surface, no substance.

I agree with the Stones fans getting older, and not getting excited in buying singles any longer, but at the same time there haven't been good enough individual songs that would make people crazy as say, "The Last time", "Brown Sugar", "Angie", "Miss You" or "Start Me Up" (and many, many others) once did. There haven't been that caliber songs any longer thatt I think 'rightly' deserve to be 'hits'. If one think that "Love Is Strong", "Anybody Seen My Baby?" or "Streets of Love" can be compared to their past singles in quality, be my guest...

- Doxa



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Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: walkingthedog ()
Date: September 21, 2012 15:40

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Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa

Ha ha, true, but then again the competition was thousand times as hard later on... smiling smiley

Absolutely not! Quite the opposite. Look up the top 10 singles charts from the sixties and discover that almost every single song is a classic today. This changed around 1970 when the LP took over as the most important product.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 16:15

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Love Is Strong at #14 and Like A Rolling Stone at #12, as well as Anyone Seen My Baby at #23 are clearly hits, no doubt about that.

Man, it is THE ROLLING STONES we speak here!

Do you know what this series is:

21-12-3-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-5-3-8-1-1

Well, that's the UK chartings of all the Rolling Stones singles from "Come On" to "Honky Tonk Women".winking smiley

- Doxa

Ha ha, true, but then again the competition was thousand times as hard later on... smiling smiley

Absolutely not! Quite the opposite. Look up the top 10 singles charts from the sixties and discover that almost every single song is a classic today. This changed around 1970 when the LP took over as the most important product.

I wasn't talking about what WE define as quality, I was just pinpointing that lots of what we may consider crap (and the industry had become bigger, with WAY more bands and artists in many more genres) were competing for that #1 hit.

The Stones were now oldies, and couldn't keep up being as hip as it takes to be #1 on the singles market.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: September 21, 2012 16:23

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Whatever the tracklist.. they shouldn't have included Streets Of Love. That song is so far away from the Stones sound and I just don't like this "strumming the guitar like any other popband" kinda song. Instead they could've added Rough Justice or Laugh, I Nearly Died, or any other song from A Bigger Bang.

Hey, "Street of Love" was number one hit in Spain!grinning smiley

(but honestly, I agree with your sentiments, but that was the leading single of A BIGGER BANG...)

- Doxa

Yeah, unfortunately.. but hey, some young kids got to know the Stones a bit then, but I'm not sure if that's a positive thing in this case ;-)!

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 16:26

Streets Of Love and Rough Justice was a double-single. No "A-side".

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Bashlets ()
Date: September 21, 2012 16:48

I still think if they had chosen SAINT OF ME as the lead single off BTB, it would have been huge. A good lead off single always propels great sales, and further interest in other cuts. While having the lead off single as a dud i.e. ANYBODY SEEN MY BABY, it pretty much kills the enthusiasm from the mainstream for giving other tracks a try IMHO. I think they made big mistakes on their lead off singles since Tattoo YOU.

Re: GRRR! The Rolling Stones
Date: September 21, 2012 16:53

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I still think if they had chosen SAINT OF ME as the lead single off BTB, it would have been huge. A good lead off single always propels great sales, and further interest in other cuts. While having the lead off single as a dud i.e. ANYBODY SEEN MY BABY, it pretty much kills the enthusiasm from the mainstream for giving other tracks a try IMHO. I think they made big mistakes on their lead off singles since Tattoo YOU.

ASMB did rather well, though. However, you're probably right. Very often the second single bombs, but Saint Of Me did well, too, only 3 places down from ASMB.

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