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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 12, 2012 14:55

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Rolling Hansie
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Gazza
the only reason I go to their shows is to deprive fanboys and cheerleaders from getting tickets.

Aha, now you finally admit it smiling smiley

Its cost me a fortune, Hansie - but principles are everything.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: September 12, 2012 16:30

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Gazza
have collected their music for over 30 years and run two fansites.

What's the other fansite ?


Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 12, 2012 17:14

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Edith Grove
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Gazza
have collected their music for over 30 years and run two fansites.

What's the other fansite ?

the facebook page.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: andrewt ()
Date: September 12, 2012 17:23

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Gazza
As I understand it, theyre both rockers with Mick on lead vocals. I think Chuck already mentioned that.


Whew, smiling smileyI think we can all agree another generic Keith crooner would be a letdown.

If it's another Flip The Switch, that would do just fine.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 12, 2012 18:00

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andrewt
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Gazza
As I understand it, theyre both rockers with Mick on lead vocals. I think Chuck already mentioned that.


Whew, smiling smileyI think we can all agree another generic Keith crooner would be a letdown.

If it's another Flip The Switch, that would do just fine.

That would do me too, Andrew. Very underrated song IMO.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Sam Spade ()
Date: September 12, 2012 18:04

Autumn begins Sept 20, how far in advance do they need to announce the 4 shows?
Based on prior announcements, I would guess 30 - 45 days or by middle of October.


Sept 14, 1969 Tour Announced
Nov 7, 1969 1st show

May 10, 1972 (approx) Tour Announced
June 3, 1972 1st show

May 1, 1975 Tour Announced
June 1, 1975 1st show

May 1978 Tour Announced
June 10, 1978 1st show

Aug 26, 1981 Tour Announced
Sept 25, 1981 1st show

July 11, 1989 Tour Announced
Aug 31, 1989 1st show

May 3, 1994 Tour Announced (89 days from announcement to opening))
Aug 1, 1994 1st show

Aug 18, 1997 Tour Announced
Sept 23, 1997 1st show

Nov 16, 1998 Tour Announced (69 days from announcement to opening)
Jan 25, 1999 1st show

May 7, 2002 Tour Announced (119 days from announcement and tour opening)
Sept 3, 2002 1st show

May 10, 2005 Tour Announced (102 days from announcement and tour opening)
Aug 21, 2005 1st show

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 12, 2012 18:26

As we're only talking about 4 shows in two cities that will sell out in minutes, they could theoretically put the tickets on sale a week before it if they wanted. Even less.

40,000 tickets per continent. Hardly the same planning, logistics and personnel required as there would be for a 35-date tour to about a million people over a period of three months.

the notion that they need to announce these shows 2-3 months in advance is, as you suggest, ludicrous. As long as THEY know when theyre playing them and have time to prepare adequately, thats more important.

The only advantage in announcing these shows far in advance is that it gives ticket holders who are travelling to London and New York more chance of cheaper flights and hotel accommodation. Otherwise, its irrelevant.

I think Carlostones said the announcement of the shows would be mid-september. That sounds logical to me - worth mentioning too that both Paul Dainty and Richard Branson are in london at present which may or may not be a coincidence. I dont think the contracts are signed yet, though, so the "$25 million for four shows" report may have been a bit premature.



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Sam Spade ()
Date: September 12, 2012 18:56

In the Tri-State area alone (NY, NJ and Ct) 2 Barclays shows will sell out, no doubt about it.

Gazza... I have a question Do Mick and Keith receive more than Charlie and Ronnie or is it an equal share for all? I speaking of live shows.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 12, 2012 20:08

Equal.

Songwriting/publishing royalties, etc is where Mick and Keith make the extra money.



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Natlanta ()
Date: September 13, 2012 00:55

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superrevvy
(from another thread, re-posted here where it belongs)

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MightyStonesStillRollin50
Secrecy Surrounding Announcement Of Live Shows Like Navy Seals Operation!

Today is September 11. We are only 11 days to Autumn. And still no official announcement. I am feeling an eerie calm. That calm you feel right before a storm. Yes, folks, there is a hurricane coming, a Crossfire Hurricane! Keep your eyes peeled! The autumn winds shall soon be upon us, and so shall the Mighty Stones!

This is my Final Warning!

Over and Out

See you in the spring, or the following spring.

One Love, Gold Rings On Ya!smileys with beer

Hmm.

1) I have never taken Mighty at face value. He is a character written by
someone else, by someone with a real Stones connection. Mighty is disinfo.
But like all disinfo, it does provide clues.

2) So it is amusing that Mighty has used a "Navy seal operation" as a metaphor,
since almost everything we hear about such operations is disinfo, including
what the media is currently pumping out about that most famous "Navy seal
operation" of all. As if we're getting the real story now lol.

3) Anyway, back on topic. Haven't you noticed how Mighty says goodbye over and
over, but never actually leaves?

4) But this is his best faux exit yet. Ask yourself, dear reader, if the Stones
were really going to play these 4 fictional/disinfo autumn dates, why would
Mighty be saying goodbye until "Spring. Or the following spring." Mighty
has therefore intentionally become the first official source to hint at what
SupaRevy already told you a few weeks ago: These four autumn dates are complete
bullshit. As Mighty says in his quote above, the only thing that is hitting
this autumn is the film "Crossfire Hurricane."

5) Of course, just like with the fictional/disinfo Summer 2012 tour, it will
never be admitted that these 4 autumn shows were always disinfo. No, instead,
just like with the Summer 2012 tour, the same respected and connected sources
that have leaked the show info to you, as innocent stooges I assume, will then
leak supposedly inside info that claims, "Honest, really, they were really going
to do these shows, but then at the last minute, this or that totally unexpected
thing happened, and they couldn't. Honest. Really."

6) On the bright side, the Farewell Festivals or something like them are still
a possibility for 2013. But that's all, just a possibility. Mick hasn't given
the final go-ahead for anything yet.

so, obl will be 'touring' w/ superheavy.

i like it.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: sundevil ()
Date: September 13, 2012 04:26

how much more construction is needed until barclay center is finished? that could be a clue as to an announcement. plus, a press conference for the shows and tickets being avaliable are two different things.

want to see a london show. this waiting is a drag.

man, if that stinking monkey is effing with me i am gonna be pissed!

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: September 13, 2012 04:38

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Gazza
...worth mentioning too that both Paul Dainty and Richard Branson are in london at present which may or may not be a coincidence. I dont think the contracts are signed yet, though, so the "$25 million for four shows" report may have been a bit premature.

Oh no! Shock! Despair! Dainty and Branson had offered only $24 million, but
Mick and Keith both thought they heard $25 million. Now both sides are digging
in their heels as a matter of pride and principle. The deal is falling apart
over a measly one million dollars!

Who could have foreseen something so unforeseeable!? We were this close,
I tell ya, this close... Everybody had agreed, everybody was onboard.
Stage plans had been drawn up, setlists were already being discussed, and now
this! A silly misunderstanding over chump change, and our beautiful beautiful
autumnal dream is all gone! Oh the humanity! Oh the horror!



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: winter ()
Date: September 13, 2012 05:01

They're going to have to do so much work, like a months' worth, just to play 4 gigs. Staging, getting keef in playing shape for a 90 minute show, lights, insurance, new t-shirts, assemble the backing players. Does this strike anyone else as highly unlikely if it's just 2 months away?

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: erikjjf ()
Date: September 13, 2012 09:08

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sundevil
how much more construction is needed until barclay center is finished?

The first event there (Jay Z) takes place in two weeks, so I would imagine most of the construction work to be completed.
http://www.barclayscenter.com/events

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 13, 2012 11:41

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superrevvy
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Gazza
...worth mentioning too that both Paul Dainty and Richard Branson are in london at present which may or may not be a coincidence. I dont think the contracts are signed yet, though, so the "$25 million for four shows" report may have been a bit premature.

Oh no! Shock! Despair! Dainty and Branson had offered only $24 million, but
Mick and Keith both thought they heard $25 million. Now both sides are digging
in their heels as a matter of pride and principle. The deal is falling apart
over a measly one million dollars!

Who could have foreseen something so unforeseeable!? We were this close,
I tell ya, this close... Everybody had agreed, everybody was onboard.
Stage plans had been drawn up, setlists were already being discussed, and now
this! A silly misunderstanding over chump change, and our beautiful beautiful
autumnal dream is all gone! Oh the humanity! Oh the horror!

Yawn. Showbiz411 posted the stuff about how much money they were getting (as well as the incorrect dates). Blame them for the mass premature ejaculations on here. The shows will still be taking place.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Date: September 13, 2012 11:57

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Gazza
Quote
superrevvy
Quote
Gazza
...worth mentioning too that both Paul Dainty and Richard Branson are in london at present which may or may not be a coincidence. I dont think the contracts are signed yet, though, so the "$25 million for four shows" report may have been a bit premature.

Oh no! Shock! Despair! Dainty and Branson had offered only $24 million, but
Mick and Keith both thought they heard $25 million. Now both sides are digging
in their heels as a matter of pride and principle. The deal is falling apart
over a measly one million dollars!

Who could have foreseen something so unforeseeable!? We were this close,
I tell ya, this close... Everybody had agreed, everybody was onboard.
Stage plans had been drawn up, setlists were already being discussed, and now
this! A silly misunderstanding over chump change, and our beautiful beautiful
autumnal dream is all gone! Oh the humanity! Oh the horror!

Yawn. Showbiz411 posted the stuff about how much money they were getting (as well as the incorrect dates). Blame them for the mass premature ejaculations on here. The shows will still be taking place.

Do we know, if the Rolling Stones are in London at the moment or where else they are and what they are doing referring to Stones activities? Keith Richards was in London on September 7, Charlie Watts around September 3, what about the others? Are they maybe all in London for rehearsals or contract negotiations?

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Steinschlag ()
Date: September 13, 2012 13:24

Hi everybody,

I`ve been reading the posts in this forum for years and I thought it`s time for me to join....

I`d like to thank Gazza for keeping my hopes alive to see the Stones on stage this year!!! Good job :-))))

Hope to see you at a Stones show in November!!!

Cheers to all the Rolling Stones fans in here smileys with beer

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: September 13, 2012 13:25

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Steinschlag
Hi everybody,

I`ve been reading the posts in this forum for years and I thought it`s time for me to join....

I`d like to thank Gazza for keeping my hopes alive to see the Stones on stage this year!!! Good job :-))))

Hope to see you at a Stones show in November!!!

Cheers to all the Rolling Stones fans in here smileys with beer

Welcome, and howdy !


Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 13, 2012 14:00

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StrawberriesBlueberries
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Gazza
Quote
superrevvy
Quote
Gazza
...worth mentioning too that both Paul Dainty and Richard Branson are in london at present which may or may not be a coincidence. I dont think the contracts are signed yet, though, so the "$25 million for four shows" report may have been a bit premature.

Oh no! Shock! Despair! Dainty and Branson had offered only $24 million, but
Mick and Keith both thought they heard $25 million. Now both sides are digging
in their heels as a matter of pride and principle. The deal is falling apart
over a measly one million dollars!

Who could have foreseen something so unforeseeable!? We were this close,
I tell ya, this close... Everybody had agreed, everybody was onboard.
Stage plans had been drawn up, setlists were already being discussed, and now
this! A silly misunderstanding over chump change, and our beautiful beautiful
autumnal dream is all gone! Oh the humanity! Oh the horror!

Yawn. Showbiz411 posted the stuff about how much money they were getting (as well as the incorrect dates). Blame them for the mass premature ejaculations on here. The shows will still be taking place.

Do we know, if the Rolling Stones are in London at the moment or where else they are and what they are doing referring to Stones activities? Keith Richards was in London on September 7, Charlie Watts around September 3, what about the others? Are they maybe all in London for rehearsals or contract negotiations?

No idea,mate, to be honest. All of them bar Keith live in or close to London anyway much of the time so its quite plausible. They havent started any rehearsals yet, however - that's for sure.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Stoneswolf ()
Date: September 13, 2012 14:14

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Steinschlag

I`ve been reading the posts in this forum for years and I thought it`s time for me to join....


Steinschlag, das ist ein schöner Nickname (-: (nice nick!)

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: September 13, 2012 15:09

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Gazza
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Gazza
I dont think the contracts are signed yet

The shows will still be taking place.

Hmm. You don't think the contracts are signed yet, but are certain that
the shows will take place. Hmm. And I thought the psychic schtick around here
was all mine.

But then its really not fortune telling to know that these 4 shows will not take
place this year. Its common sense.



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 13, 2012 15:37

We'll see about that, wont we. grinning smiley

I dont (and never have done) claim to know what theyve signed or what theyre getting paid - thats a matter of finer details that arent my concern - but they're intending to play shows later this year, and those should be announced shortly with rehearsals starting in a few weeks. Blondie Chaplin even confirmed that to a friend of mine at the Iridium in New York just three nights ago.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: muziek ()
Date: September 13, 2012 16:06

there are not so many dates left at thebarclays center in november and december. the o2 has more dates open, but rehearsing time is also less.maybe smaller gigs in london only?

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Rolling Hansie ()
Date: September 13, 2012 16:26

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Steinschlag
Cheers to all the Rolling Stones fans in here smileys with beer

I like that smileys with beer

-------------------
Keep On Rolling smoking smiley

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: September 13, 2012 16:33

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Gazza
but they're intending to play shows later this year, and those should be announced shortly with rehearsals starting in a few weeks. Blondie Chaplin even confirmed that to a friend of mine at the Iridium in New York just three nights ago.

I can certainly believe that there'll be rehearsals. I mean, why not? But no
arena shows this year, even if there is some kind of announcement. And no stand-
alone Brooklyn-London shows next year either. As part of a larger tour next year?
Yeah, that's possible.



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 13, 2012 17:01

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muziek
there are not so many dates left at thebarclays center in november and december. the o2 has more dates open, but rehearsing time is also less.maybe smaller gigs in london only?

If a band is only playing 4 shows - according to reports - then they only need to rehearse about 20 songs. If they need 2-3 months to do that, then they really shouldnt be near any kind of a stage. This isnt like in previous years when they rehearsed about 100-120 songs for 5-6 weeks ahead of a tour. So, the 'lack of rehearsal time' isnt really an issue.

Youre correct about the lack of available dates at the New York venue, but thats based on the assumption that they'll play two nights in a three-day 'window'. That may not be the case. What dates I've heard rumoured for London suggests there may be a few days between any shows. That may well be the case for New York too. I think someone calculated that the only available dates for Brooklyn in December were the 6th, 8th and 13th (I stand corrected if I'm wrong because I cant recall if it was the 3rd or 13th and cant be arsed checking). They could play on the 6th and 8th - they could also conceivably play on the 8th and 13th.

I think they'd be well advised to play smaller warm up shows first, to be honest, and I really hope they will. Going 'cold' into a high profile show after five years has 'disaster' written all over it.

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: September 13, 2012 17:03

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superrevvy
Quote
Gazza
but they're intending to play shows later this year, and those should be announced shortly with rehearsals starting in a few weeks. Blondie Chaplin even confirmed that to a friend of mine at the Iridium in New York just three nights ago.

I can certainly believe that there'll be rehearsals. I mean, why not? But no
arena shows this year, even if there is some kind of announcement. And no stand-
alone Brooklyn-London shows next year either. As part of a larger tour next year?
Yeah, that's possible.

My own personal take - and thats all it is - is that these shows are a trial run at Jagger's request to see if the band are up for a 'proper' tour. He even admittedly openly a few weeks ago that (despite rehearsing together in May) the band simply 'weren't ready' to play the Olympics and that was one of the reasons why they turned it down.

Billboard's o2/Brooklyn story did take me by surprise because I honestly took Mick's 'we're playing shows later this year' comment in July with a pinch of salt as just a way of shutting up journalists, but it does seem to be solid enough.



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Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: mailexile67 ()
Date: September 13, 2012 19:48

Gazza, in your opinion what depends about a Tour next year:health,global economy,lucrative contracts,band desire...What?!?And about an album of new stuff is there a chance?!?Thanks a lot!!

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: bam ()
Date: September 13, 2012 20:15

My own hunch is that this may be about insurance. The recent articles about the withdrawal of an insurance claim by Michael Jackson's promoter, AEG, suggest that (a) you have to demonstrate health to get insurance for concerts, (b) promoters really want insurance before they book a large number of events, and (c) the industry, having been burned in the Michael Jackson case, will be looking very carefully at artists with known health issues.

So in addition to whatever questions Mick has about whether Keith is ready to play a tour, I think that a few fall concerts were arranged (or almost arranged) to see if a promoter could get insurance for a larger number of dates next year.



"My own personal take - and thats all it is - is that these shows are a trial run at Jagger's request to see if the band are up for a 'proper' tour. He even admittedly openly a few weeks ago that (despite rehearsing together in May) the band simply 'weren't ready' to play the Olympics and that was one of the reasons why they turned it down."

Re: Billboard: Rolling Stones To Play London, Brooklyn In November
Posted by: phd ()
Date: September 13, 2012 20:58

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Gazza
Quote
superrevvy
Quote
Gazza
but they're intending to play shows later this year, and those should be announced shortly with rehearsals starting in a few weeks. Blondie Chaplin even confirmed that to a friend of mine at the Iridium in New York just three nights ago.

I can certainly believe that there'll be rehearsals. I mean, why not? But no
arena shows this year, even if there is some kind of announcement. And no stand-
alone Brooklyn-London shows next year either. As part of a larger tour next year?
Yeah, that's possible.

My own personal take - and thats all it is - is that these shows are a trial run at Jagger's request to see if the band are up for a 'proper' tour. He even admittedly openly a few weeks ago that (despite rehearsing together in May) the band simply 'weren't ready' to play the Olympics and that was one of the reasons why they turned it down.[/[/b]b]

Billboard's o2/Brooklyn story did take me by surprise because I honestly took Mick's 'we're playing shows later this year' comment in July with a pinch of salt as just a way of shutting up journalists, but it does seem to be solid enough.

That's a fair statement. I do beleive that Insurance companies and Promoters do not want and cannot put money on the table if those trials are a deception. On the other hand The Stones love those kind of challenge. Success, success....

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