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"muscular memory" , [www.google.com]
Too much info.
Use a tissue please!
And some muscle memory
Like many of the great rock / blues / jazz musicians, Mick Taylor improvised much of what he played in his solos. I'm sure he had some bits that were worked out in advance, but all you have to do is listen to several bootlegs if you can, pick a song like YCAGWYW and you'll never hear the same exact guitar solo twice, nor is the length always the same. Those were what I call the Stones "jamming tours." When to end the solo and go back to the chorus? Pure intuition betwixt band members who are on top of their game. They signaled each other with eye contact, subtle gestures, etc. Same could be said of Keith or Woody's solos up to '81. Neither as skilled as Taylor but solos were never the same twice, and could vary in length. I have great respect for the gift of improvisation. Musicians who don't have it bore me no matter how technically awesome they may be. I loathe going to a concert and hearing the guitarist duplicate the album solo note for note.
or schillid...
usually he finishes with a repeated phrase based on the song melody so jagger can come in , or jagger lets know that it is enough with some yeahs or come ons etc.
When jagger is too late or forgets to come in , mick taylor plays some more and comes out with either some wonderful melodic phrase to finish again ( benefit 73 ) or a run of bum notes ( i forget when 73 as well , ithink).
Great question! I watched L&G two nights ago and Some Girls Texas last night and was wondering the same thing. Also wonder how they end songs on cue so well. Sometimes they go into a recognizable riff, like on on Just My Imagination, but other times it's much more subtle. My hat's off to 'em.
Hah!
Seems yah forgot to take your anti-confusion pills.
The only confusing thing is your post.
lol.
Hey Max, I was just watching Muddy Waters and the Stones at Checkerboard Lounge from PBS, then caught the end of L&G on Palladia. Now I've got the PBS Muddy/Stones show, Crossfire Hurricane, and Ladies and Gentlemen on the DVR. There's been a slew of great Rolling Stones films/concerts airing in the past month. Family is getting mad cause I've taken over the DVR, but, hey, it's the Stones!
HAPPY STONES SEASON!!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-29 04:40 by Max'sKansasCity.
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Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
mandu
()
Date: August 24, 2012 04:18
I just watched Mick Taylor do a guitar solo on you cant always get what you want
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Edith Grove
()
Date: August 24, 2012 05:09
I'd say mostly rehearsed with a lot of "feel" thrown in.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
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Date: August 24, 2012 05:33
Quote
mandu
I just watched Mick Taylor do a guitar solo on you cant always get what you want
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
"muscular memory" , [www.google.com]
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
schillid
()
Date: August 24, 2012 05:37
I'm watching a MILF and Some Guy
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Edith Grove
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Date: August 24, 2012 05:46
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schillid
I'm watching a MILF and Some Guy
Too much info.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
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Date: August 24, 2012 09:39
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schillid
I'm watching a MILF and Some Guy
Use a tissue please!
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
stonesnow
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Date: August 24, 2012 10:02
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Silver DaggerQuote
schillid
I'm watching a MILF and Some Guy
Use a tissue please!
And some muscle memory
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
stonesdan60
()
Date: August 24, 2012 14:55
Quote
mandu
I just watched Mick Taylor do a guitar solo on you cant always get what you want
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
Like many of the great rock / blues / jazz musicians, Mick Taylor improvised much of what he played in his solos. I'm sure he had some bits that were worked out in advance, but all you have to do is listen to several bootlegs if you can, pick a song like YCAGWYW and you'll never hear the same exact guitar solo twice, nor is the length always the same. Those were what I call the Stones "jamming tours." When to end the solo and go back to the chorus? Pure intuition betwixt band members who are on top of their game. They signaled each other with eye contact, subtle gestures, etc. Same could be said of Keith or Woody's solos up to '81. Neither as skilled as Taylor but solos were never the same twice, and could vary in length. I have great respect for the gift of improvisation. Musicians who don't have it bore me no matter how technically awesome they may be. I loathe going to a concert and hearing the guitarist duplicate the album solo note for note.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: August 24, 2012 14:58
[Waiting for His Majesty to post something bizarre]
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 24, 2012 15:03
There are many schools of solo guitar players.
Taylor is almost without exceptions using the scale for what it's worth. He learns a framework within the scale that works, and then do some small variations from night to night.
After some shows, he doesn't even have to look at what he does.
Other players use much less of the pentatonic scale during solos - for instance Keith and Ronnie.
Taylor is very good at finding delicate runs and combinations, imo.
Taylor is almost without exceptions using the scale for what it's worth. He learns a framework within the scale that works, and then do some small variations from night to night.
After some shows, he doesn't even have to look at what he does.
Other players use much less of the pentatonic scale during solos - for instance Keith and Ronnie.
Taylor is very good at finding delicate runs and combinations, imo.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: August 24, 2012 15:28
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Erik_Snow
[Waiting for His Majesty to post something bizarre]
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
schillid
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Date: August 24, 2012 17:39
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Erik_Snow
[Waiting for His Majesty to post something bizarre]
or schillid...
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
straycatblues73
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Date: August 24, 2012 17:52
Quote
mandu
I just watched Mick Taylor do a guitar solo on you cant always get what you want
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
usually he finishes with a repeated phrase based on the song melody so jagger can come in , or jagger lets know that it is enough with some yeahs or come ons etc.
When jagger is too late or forgets to come in , mick taylor plays some more and comes out with either some wonderful melodic phrase to finish again ( benefit 73 ) or a run of bum notes ( i forget when 73 as well , ithink).
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
BluzDude
()
Date: August 24, 2012 18:52
Last night there was an episode of the Wonder Years called Ladies & Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones. I haven't seen it (yet), but I did DVR it.
Is it worth watching?
Is it worth watching?
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
nomis
()
Date: August 24, 2012 19:02
Quote
mandu
I just watched Mick Taylor do a guitar solo on you cant always get what you want
how does he know where to put his fingers and how long he should play the solo for is the solo practised or is the solo done on the spur of the moment?
Great question! I watched L&G two nights ago and Some Girls Texas last night and was wondering the same thing. Also wonder how they end songs on cue so well. Sometimes they go into a recognizable riff, like on on Just My Imagination, but other times it's much more subtle. My hat's off to 'em.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
pinkfloydthebarber
()
Date: August 24, 2012 19:19
probably rehearsed as to the number of bars the solo goes for
which could be changed at any time, kinda like a quarterback calling an audible at the line of scrimmage
which could be changed at any time, kinda like a quarterback calling an audible at the line of scrimmage
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: August 24, 2012 19:33
Quote
stonesnowQuote
Silver DaggerQuote
schillid
I'm watching a MILF and Some Guy
Use a tissue please!
And some muscle memory
Hah!
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: August 24, 2012 19:35
As DP said, Taylor is a master of the scale. He mostly uses the pentatonic blues scale but his dignature is throwing in some "in between" notes that give his solos a more melodic feel. In YCAGWYW, he alternates between the major (gritty, bluesy) and minor (country-ish) scales, at least in '73, doing a complete solo in each. Fantastic.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: August 24, 2012 21:32
When you play as often and as for long as any great musician like Taylor has, the ability to improvise becomes instinctive and one does not even have to think about it. It comes with knowing your instrument and knowing what the song is saying...
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
pmk251
()
Date: August 24, 2012 22:04
Someone put together a disc of Taylor solos on that song. It was called Let The Preacher Do The Preachin' (or something like that). It is an academic (pedantic?) exercise if you are not a guitar player. But it was worth a listen to a point. What does Taylor keep night after night and what are the variations? The solo also changed from '72 to '73.
I think there is a general time allotment, but ultimately Jagger calls the shots on stage. Taylor will play as long as you let him and he is a master at wrapping it up on a dime. When he gets the word it is time to quit his final on the spot notes are often amazing.
I have said before that the 9/8/73, 1st performance of the song is my favorite. I'd bet that it is Taylor's longest on stage solo with the band. Keys is gone. There is no sax solo. It's all Taylor. The connection between Taylor and Jagger is very evident during that performance. Play that guitar boy!
I think there is a general time allotment, but ultimately Jagger calls the shots on stage. Taylor will play as long as you let him and he is a master at wrapping it up on a dime. When he gets the word it is time to quit his final on the spot notes are often amazing.
I have said before that the 9/8/73, 1st performance of the song is my favorite. I'd bet that it is Taylor's longest on stage solo with the band. Keys is gone. There is no sax solo. It's all Taylor. The connection between Taylor and Jagger is very evident during that performance. Play that guitar boy!
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: August 24, 2012 22:56
Quote
71Tele
In YCAGWYW, he alternates between the major (gritty, bluesy) and minor (country-ish) scales, at least in '73, doing a complete solo in each. Fantastic.
Seems yah forgot to take your anti-confusion pills.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
mandu
()
Date: August 25, 2012 02:12
when Angus Young does his solos he just blows me away,the one he does on the river plate dvd.WOW
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: August 25, 2012 04:34
Quote
His MajestyQuote
71Tele
In YCAGWYW, he alternates between the major (gritty, bluesy) and minor (country-ish) scales, at least in '73, doing a complete solo in each. Fantastic.
Seems yah forgot to take your anti-confusion pills.
The only confusing thing is your post.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
BluzDude
()
Date: August 25, 2012 05:35
huhQuote
mandu
when Angus Young does his solos he just blows me away,the one he does on the river plate dvd.WOW
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
mandu
()
Date: August 25, 2012 05:41
sorry did know what happend then i was thinking about somthing else
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: August 25, 2012 11:20
Quote
71TeleQuote
His MajestyQuote
71Tele
In YCAGWYW, he alternates between the major (gritty, bluesy) and minor (country-ish) scales, at least in '73, doing a complete solo in each. Fantastic.
Seems yah forgot to take your anti-confusion pills.
The only confusing thing is your post.
lol.
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: November 29, 2012 03:17
On Palladia channel right now. And.... next on Palladia tonight is Ziggy Stardust and eight legged ones from the red planet..... for anyone interested in that type of thing
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: November 29, 2012 04:10
Quote
Max'sKansasCity
On Palladia channel right now. And.... next on Palladia tonight is Ziggy Stardust and eight legged ones from the red planet..... for anyone interested in that type of thing
Hey Max, I was just watching Muddy Waters and the Stones at Checkerboard Lounge from PBS, then caught the end of L&G on Palladia. Now I've got the PBS Muddy/Stones show, Crossfire Hurricane, and Ladies and Gentlemen on the DVR. There's been a slew of great Rolling Stones films/concerts airing in the past month. Family is getting mad cause I've taken over the DVR, but, hey, it's the Stones!
Re: Im watching Ladies and Gentlemen right now
Posted by:
Max'sKansasCity
()
Date: November 29, 2012 04:26
FUN!! and fun is a good thing to have.Quote
latebloomerQuote
Max'sKansasCity
On Palladia channel right now. And.... next on Palladia tonight is Ziggy Stardust and eight legged ones from the red planet..... for anyone interested in that type of thing
Hey Max, I was just watching Muddy Waters and the Stones at Checkerboard Lounge from PBS, then caught the end of L&G on Palladia. Now I've got the PBS Muddy/Stones show, Crossfire Hurricane, and Ladies and Gentlemen on the DVR. There's been a slew of great Rolling Stones films/concerts airing in the past month. Family is getting mad cause I've taken over the DVR, but, hey, it's the Stones!
HAPPY STONES SEASON!!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-29 04:40 by Max'sKansasCity.
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