An early career highlight for the band that has more than stood the test of time.

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doesn't exactly challenge wolf's magnificent recording, nor sam cooke's either (his is by far my fave version)...but it's one of their better early cracks at the format...

Cooke's version is great, too. With Billy Preston on organ.

a sixteen-year old billy...and he gets a shout-out on record from sam...

I will have to look for this...I love Sam Cooke and haven't heard that version.

Kuckelikuuu



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Where is that rooster from...Harrisburg?

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Cheers Mick.

That was funny....................

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The 64 version is great , very great. Its unique sound drums, acoustic guitar, slide....... had never been heard from an english musician in those years. At this point they began with their signature style and attitude. Brian was brilliant in it.
Believe me if i tell you that i do not dislike the KR cover at all; but i must hear the rehearsal version without seeing the video, just the music.It is better than i thougt first time

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Cheers Mick.

Nice clip!

Beer as throat medicine.

That backing band are quite terrible on this, they should have held back and let him do that one alone or provided a less heavy, busy backing.



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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Cheers Mick.

Nice clip!

Beer as throat medicine.

That backing band are quite terrible on this, they should have held back and let him do that one alone or provided a less heavy, busy backing.

agreed , but it seems only the sax intruded a bit.
great track ,should be in your "first blues book" cannot be spoiled by any (competent) musician ( surely )cracking song.
great licks specific to this song , and some joe walsh-like slide licks at the end
i enjoyed that , thanks

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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Possibly a 12 string with every string tuned down a whole step!?

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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Possibly a 12 string with every string tuned down a whole step!?

So you think it's standard tuning? Something in the voicing doesn't sound standard. If I tune down a step, the G should be played as an A: I have not tried, but it doesn't sound right!

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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Possibly a 12 string with every string tuned down a whole step!?

So you think it's standard tuning? Something in the voicing doesn't sound standard. If I tune down a step, the G should be played as an A: I have not tried, but it doesn't sound right!

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Yeah, I think it's most likley standard(but tuned down a step). G chord being an A chord shape, starting the motif with D chord shape(C pitch) or note makes sense to me, over all deeper sound, but still with better flow you get from doing such a thing.

I've never sat and worked out what Keith plays on LRR, but I do hear a 12 string acoustic and to me it sounds like it's tuned down.

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Fortunately he didn't stay with the guitar -he was quite lousy at it.

A little bit of an overstatement, Mathijs?

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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Possibly a 12 string with every string tuned down a whole step!?

So you think it's standard tuning? Something in the voicing doesn't sound standard. If I tune down a step, the G should be played as an A: I have not tried, but it doesn't sound right!

C

Yeah, I think it's most likley standard(but tuned down a step). G chord being an A chord shape, starting the motif with D chord shape(C pitch) or note makes sense to me, over all deeper sound, but still with better flow you get from doing such a thing.

I've never sat and worked out what Keith plays on LRR, but I do hear a 12 string acoustic and to me it sounds like it's tuned down.

Will try it tonight.

In any case, when one analizes the details, the sophistication of those early recordings was just incredible. The acoustic is minimal, but it enhances greatly both Bill's bouncy lines and Brian's slide work.

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It's great that he moved on to dulcimers, recorders, vibraphone's, marimba's, piano's, mellotrons etc etc.

It's great Brian went on to all those exotic instruments for a little while, yes. But when he's still playing sitar on Beggars (by 1968, way passe) or ridiculously tapping an African drum on Midnight Rambler, it's not so great. Keith is right when he says that the Rolling Stones are a two guitar band, and my favorite period in the Brian era was when BOTH Brian and Keith were playing guitars. If No Expectations was any indication, Brian was finally making his way back to the guitar, and look how magical that contribution was.

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It's great that he moved on to dulcimers, recorders, vibraphone's, marimba's, piano's, mellotrons etc etc.

It's great Brian went on to all those exotic instruments for a little while, yes. But when he's still playing sitar on Beggars (by 1968, way passe) or ridiculously tapping an African drum on Midnight Rambler, it's not so great. Keith is right when he says that the Rolling Stones are a two guitar band, and my favorite period in the Brian era was when BOTH Brian and Keith were playing guitars. If No Expectations was any indication, Brian was finally making his way back to the guitar, and look how magical that contribution was.

The sitar and tamboura on Street Fighting Man is a great addition. Yer assuming about Midnight Rambler, none of us really know what he played on that.

Brian as multi-instrumentalist was there from the get go... even on their first single Brian doesn't play guitar on either the A or B side.

Despite Keith's warbling about what the stones should be(just his romanticised view btw), The Rolling Stones have, thankfully, never been just a two guitar band.



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The sitar and tamboura on Street Fighting Man is a great addition. Yer assuming about Midnight Rambler, none of us really know what he played on that.

Brian as multi-instrumentalist was there from the get go... even on their first single Brian doesn't play guitar on either the A or B side.

Despite Keith's warbling about what the stones should be(just his romanticised view btw), The Rolling Stones have, thankfully, never been just a two guitar band.

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Brian played guitar live but he was never only a guitarist in the studio.

I think that Brian's addings on Beggar's are fine. He still shows that he is creative and experimental. The mellotron work alone on Jigsaw Puzzle is freaking amazing.

As HM says, the sitar and tamboura on Street Fighting Man sounds great. A sitar is an instrument just like the guitar. The only way it would have sounded passé in 68 would be if they had used it in a psychedelic song and since Brian is said to have disliked psychedelia I don't think that was what he aimed for.

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Fortunately he didn't stay with the guitar -he was quite lousy at it.

A little bit of an overstatement, Mathijs?

I think you should know my opinion about Jones guitar skills after more than ten years on this board...

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Brian as multi-instrumentalist was there from the get go... even on their first single Brian doesn't play guitar on either the A or B side.

In fact, if you look at the first 30 odd songs they recorded, Brian's guitar parts are surprisingly minimal, which is accoding to his own statement in an interview of the time, where he stated he was the band's harmonical player.

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Does anybody know how the acoustic is tuned on the original cut?

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Possibly a 12 string with every string tuned down a whole step!?

So you think it's standard tuning? Something in the voicing doesn't sound standard. If I tune down a step, the G should be played as an A: I have not tried, but it doesn't sound right!

C

Yeah, I think it's most likley standard(but tuned down a step). G chord being an A chord shape, starting the motif with D chord shape(C pitch) or note makes sense to me, over all deeper sound, but still with better flow you get from doing such a thing.

I've never sat and worked out what Keith plays on LRR, but I do hear a 12 string acoustic and to me it sounds like it's tuned down.

Don't know if its the case here, but it was quite common practice to tune down any acoustic a half or whole step, and bring up tuning with a capo again. Many pictures of Richards on acoustic from the early days have him use a capo on the acoustic.

Mathijs

Last two posts... Yet more over statements from the dutchman.

From Willie Dixon songbook

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Last two posts... Yet more over statements from the dutchman.

The first I'll do a count, the second is something everybody can see for themselves. There's just an awful lot of pics of Richards on an acoustic with a capo on first or second fret -and as far as I know there aren't many early tracks in Bflat or F....

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Nice to read........thanks

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Last two posts... Yet more over statements from the dutchman.

The first I'll do a count, the second is something everybody can see for themselves. There's just an awful lot of pics of Richards on an acoustic with a capo on first or second fret -and as far as I know there aren't many early tracks in Bflat or F....

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I'm just teasing yah.

I made an edit of "Little Red Rooster",in an effort to make it sound stereo, though of course not possible. No sounds were added, it is the plain song.
Various (Wikipedia) sources mention it being recorded at the Chess studios Chicago.
And, if recorded in 'Chess', I hope a real stereo version will rise to the surface of the musical waters, in the future.
The video is longer on Youtube, I lost some channels - terminated by ABKCO and the greatest @#$%& of all times, "Reelin' in the years, LLC", that is busy buying copyrights of vintage tv recordings all over the world - with the fake argument that they "save video footage for future generations" but in real just want to line their pockets and kick these video's off of Youtube. Bastards.

video: [player.vimeo.com]



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I just heard Brian (dulcimer) and Keith (acoustic) weaving on Lady Jane. Lovely.

little red rooster






and on vimeo (if the Youtube link is dead)

video: [player.vimeo.com]



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